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Bodhi

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I thought you'd be glib with global warming instead of addressing why you think it's a problem in face masks.

Well put it this way, SAGE stated back in May that cloth masks were associated with breathing difficulties (and moisture retention, and slurred speech - sound awesome!), so if they aren't retaining some of the CO2 you are breathing out, where do the breathing issues come from then? Filtering oxygen on the way through?

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In fact all the way through this guidance from the Government - and the WHO themselves - was that they were only of any use if you were ill, and even then the better advice was to stay at home. So what's changed?

Well of course the WHO updated their guidance that they should be worn everywhere - so there must be some pretty compelling evidence they work?

No. None.

From Newsnight's Health correspondant:


View: https://twitter.com/deb_cohen/status/1282244773030633473?s=20


Neither a denial nor any evidence was forthcoming.

So as it goes, you can listen to the medical studies (no effect, possibly harmful), or the non-peer reviewed Sociology studies the Royal Society put together (mostly by the President of the Royal Society's sister) . Considering the burden of proof is immeasurably higher in medical research than it is in the social sciences, I'll go with the medical research, ta.

Cloth masks do nothing for the spread of disease - they are a placebo for the terminally scared. Rather than mandating masks, Boris could have had a much greater effect on people shopping if they'd come clean that the virus isn't as bad as we initially believed.

Which it isn't.
 

Scouse

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All that bullshit above (including where you specifically link CO2 to respiratory issues, instead of the obvious obstructive issues, like some giant "CO2 is t3h bad" David-Ike weirdo) has already been addressed - including showing what's changed, and why they've changed the guidance.

But meh. It was a dead argument from you back in April when you said lockdown was pointless anyway.
 

Job

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Yeah..I mean the implementation..not all mask are good and how you use them that counts.

respiratory etiquette is a new one and is exactly what I do...dont talk towards people and I simply hold my breath if Im suddenly in the middle of several people in a shop.
 

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Lots of shady deals gone to Cumming's mates. Nothing will come from it. I am fairly sure at this point he has a USB stick full of dirt on Boris and co.
 

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Lots of shady deals gone to Cumming's mates. Nothing will come from it. I am fairly sure at this point he has a USB stick full of dirt on Boris and co.
Nah. They're all in a get-rich(er) circle-jerk together.

Boris won't sack him because he doesn't give a fuck. They're on the same side.
 

Job

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I really dont get thks and Im meeting people daily who are losing their shit over being told to wear them.

This is not the government controlling you, its part placebo..part effective way to get the economy going without a 2nd wave.
Seriously of all the ways the rich and the media control us..this is nothing, it has no agenda...its disease control.



 

Job

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ONS data suggests 0.04% of UK is infected with covid...around 1700 a day gain and recovery.

Thats 24 thousand people spread over the entire UK.
Youd struggle ti catch if you tried.
 

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ONS data suggests 0.04% of UK is infected with covid...around 1700 a day gain and recovery.

Thats 24 thousand people spread over the entire UK.
Youd struggle ti catch if you tried.

You'd struggle to hit the floor if you fell over.
 

caLLous

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Reddit is running a thread on how covid hits people with diabetes.
Just had to post this.

So, aside from you being a moron with an agenda, what was your point? That COVID-19 isn't the only thing that diabetes sufferers are at a higher risk from? I'm sure that'll be distressing for them, they must've thought it was an easy life until this virus showed up.
 

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Obvious troll there. He's wanking to your responses - and also to this one where I've pointed it out.

Job loves seeing what happens when he says things. He doesn't care what happens, just loves that something does.
 

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Obvious troll there. He's wanking to your responses - and also to this one where I've pointed it out.

Job loves seeing what happens when he says things. He doesn't care what happens, just loves that something does.
I nearly said pretty much the same thing to you when @Bodhi dropped that "masks are ineffective" nonsense into the middle of a post the other day and you responded. :)
 

Job

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Yes I have an agenda..pointing out its the flu, a pandemic flu....not some special death version.

There is little evidence to prove otherwise, no matter how hard they try.
The flu kills and I could die of the flu.
Covid kills and I could die of it.
Statistically there is little difference, just perception, people have just laughed off the flu because they dont post the dead people , like kids on the front pages.

Im really interested in that...how humanity is led by the media.
Im not even saying we shouldnt have reacted, with little immunity it could be very nasty...just like the flu...and it might have been worse....a lot worse.

Im just saying its proving itself to be the flu and we should be thankful for that.
 

Raven

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Job, i's not flu. It never has been flu and never will be flu.

It is a different virus
 

Scouse

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Job, i's not flu. It never has been flu and never will be flu.

It is a different virus
He just ramped it up because he could see people starting to ignore him.

We've done the "it's not flu" thing quite a lot in your absence. It's about the fourth time he's brought it up this way.

He must be feeling a little starved of attention given he keeps getting his accounts banned on most other platforms.
 

Job

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They are both single strand RNA virus.

The effects are practically the same on every level of disease.
Im not sating its an influenza multi segment virus..but it is the flu.
 

Job

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The influenza virus is constantly mutating – essentially putting on ever-changing disguises – to evade our immune systems. When a new virus emerges that can easily infect people and be spread between people, and to which most people have no immunity, it can turn into a pandemic. "Another pandemic caused by a new influenza virus is a certainty. But we do not know when it will happen, what virus strain it will be and how severe the disease will be,” said Dr Wenqing Zhang, the manager of WHO’s Global Influenza Programme. “This uncertainty makes influenza very different to many other pathogens,” she said.
It hasnt behaved like SARS etc.
Its done a flu.
 

Raven

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They are both single strand RNA virus.

The effects are practically the same on every level of disease.
Im not sating its an influenza multi segment virus..but it is the flu.

You do realise that the word flu comes from the word influenza...right? You have made that connection?
 

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Been for a nice socially distanced pint and dinner at the local. All very civilised and nice on a sunny evening
 

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