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[Wij]

It's his choice to resign if he feels that he should.

If this was Bob the builder down the road you and everyone else would not give a shit. He might be a special advisor but he is an equal to everyone in the eyes of the Law. Not some fucking cuntish MSM baying for blood.

If Bob gets a fine for doing it and nothing else then Cummings should get the same treatment under the Law.

No. They should all get fined but their position on resigning or being sacked is NOT the same.

 

[Deebs]

No. They should all get fined but their position on resigning or being sacked is NOT the same.

In the eyes of the Law the only person within the UK who is different (not including diplomats) is the Queen as far as I understand. Therefore everyone should be treated equally under the Law.

Why are you not crying for the 3 Labour MPs who broke the rules under lockdown to be sacked/removed from their position? They got a telling off and then we moved on.

Like I said I don't give a fuck about his position, only what he did. It is a witch hunt.

Answer me this, did you break ANY rule whilst under lockdown?

 

[Embattle]

Nah I just think it is a witch hunt due to who it is. There was not this level of hysteria about Corbyn travelling many miles for his Dad's birthday, nor about the Labour MP who went to 2 funerals (one with around 100 ppl present).

There is a element of witch hunt in it from certain quarters, but then again when isn't there one.

It is not due to a kool-aid drink. I would have done the same thing and am not ashamed to admit it. If the welfare of my kids is in danger the guidance/rules can fuckoff.

I'm not sure many are convinced that his child was in any real danger, certainly no more than actually taking him out of his normal home environment.

Neither do I but when I travelled those distances with my mum and needed a piss and service stations etc were closed she would stop at the side of the road and let me piss into the grass whilst hiding behind the car. Think they are called laybys.

During my life and many trips to Cornwall with my parents when I was young I've probably pissed in every layby on the A303 and A30

So fucking fine him like I said in my previous posts. Just like all the other idiots.

And also call for all the journalists outside his house yesterday and today who also are most probably increasing the R value more than his little jolly in a car to an isolated house.

Yes I commented on it yesterday, I called it the 2 inch social distancing method.

View: https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1264891591598190594

I can't stand Paul Mason, he comes across as a duplicitous scrote.

It's his choice to resign if he feels that he should.

If this was Bob the builder down the road you and everyone else would not give a shit. He might be a special advisor but he is an equal to everyone in the eyes of the Law. Not some fucking cuntish MSM baying for blood.

If Bob gets a fine for doing it and nothing else then Cummings should get the same treatment under the Law.

Yes he should be fined like others but I tend to think he and others in higher public positions are naturally held to a higher standard. I also don't think it is helped by the feeling that the government tried to brush it off as if it wasn't anything, when it kind of torpedoed their own public announcements.

 

[MYstIC G]

See my other posts, schools have been operating in lockdown. As long as you expand the circle slowly (which they are from what I can gather) and employ the same methods which have worked under the lockdown what is the problem?

Surely it is the same as allowing certain sectors of business to slowly reopen?

It is not due to a kool-aid drink. I would have done the same thing and am not ashamed to admit it. If the welfare of my kids is in danger the guidance/rules can fuckoff.

So by your logic @Deebs all the keyworker/at risk kids my wife supports via her job in a school can "fuck off" because we have a kid so to hell with society? I best go tell her to put her feet up then and that she's wasting her time trying to deal with constantly changing HM Government guidance as we can just do what we like?

The fact you would "do the same thing" does not mean you would be "doing the right thing". That is the issue with Cummings, he did not do the right thing. Frankly it's about time that those put in charge were measured against that standard once again as the law (and it's interpretation) is an arse and we all know it.

Why are you not crying for the 3 Labour MPs who broke the rules under lockdown to be sacked/removed from their position? They got a telling off and then we moved on.

They should be, if you are in charge or want to be in charge you should hold yourself to a higher standard, i.e. lead by example.

 

[Wij]

Yes he should be fined like others but I tend to think he and others in higher public positions are naturally held to a higher standard. I also don't think it is helped by the feeling that the government tried to brush it off as if it wasn't anything, when it kind of torpedoed their own public announcements.

Exactly. The attempted cover-up and gaslighting of the public is worse than the original crime. It makes the government a mockery.

(Also any Labour MPs who broke lockdown get to fuck in my opinion but they haven't had Boris Johnson on telly assuring us they did nothing wrong because he doesn't think the rules should apply to his mates.)

 

[Deebs]

There is a element of witch hunt in it from certain quarters, but then again when isn't there one.



I'm not sure many are convinced that his child was in any real danger, certainly no more than actually taking him out of his normal home environment.



During my life and many trips to Cornwall with my parents when I was young I've probably pissed in every layby on the A303 and A30



Yes I commented on it yesterday, I called it the 2 inch social distancing method.



I can't stand Paul Mason, he comes across as a duplicitous scrote.



Yes he should be fined like others but I tend to think he and others in higher public positions are naturally held to a higher standard. I also don't think it is helped by the feeling that the government tried to brush it off as if it wasn't anything, when it kind of torpedoed their own public announcements.

The child may not have been in any real danger, he may have done it as a precautionary measure. I know I would being a parent/grandparent.

He may be held to a higher standard but he is still a father. People will often do rash things when it comes to their children regardless of what job they do.

Let's see what he says in his press conference. Then we can take a more measured opinion.

 

[Deebs]

So by your logic @Deebs all the keyworker/at risk kids my wife supports via her job in a school can "fuck off" because we have a kid so to hell with society? I best go tell her to put her feet up then and that she's wasting her time trying to deal with constantly changing HM Government guidance as we can just do what we like?

The fact you would "do the same thing" does not mean you would be "doing the right thing". That is the issue with Cummings, he did not do the right thing. Frankly it's about time that those put in charge were measured against that standard once again as the law (and it's interpretation) is an arse and we all know it.
They should be, if you are in charge or want to be in charge you should hold yourself to a higher standard, i.e. lead by example.

Meg don't put words in my mouth. These are 2 different things here, one of a bloke worrying about the ability to care for his child, the other about careful opening of schools using a method which has been in operation for key worker children since the lockdown started.

 

[MYstIC G]

Meg don't put words in my mouth. These are 2 different things here, one of a bloke worrying about the ability to care for his child, the other about careful opening of schools using a method which has been in operation for key worker children since the lockdown started.

Not putting words in your mouth, that's just me worrying about my child, what's the difference?

 

[Deebs]

Not putting words in your mouth, that's just me worrying about my child, what's the difference?

You make a decision. You either send them to school when they open or you don't. HSE laws still apply to children and schools.

 

[Deebs]

Not putting words in your mouth, that's just me worrying about my child, what's the difference?

Much like I make a decision to go outside daily knowing the risks I am exposing myself to.

 

[MYstIC G]

You make a decision. You either send them to school when they open or you don't. HSE laws still apply to children and schools.

And that's the point I'm making, if we were to do what we liked what would the impact on others be. If the wife's school could no longer function, what would happen to all those key worker kids? What if all those key workers just went "fuck it, we're alright, lets stay at home"?

Thank fuck that's not the reality and we live in a society where some people still work towards the common good and not everyone does whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want...

 

[Deebs]

And that's the point I'm making, if we were to do what we liked what would the impact on others be. If the wife's school could no longer function, what would happen to all those key worker kids? What if all those key workers just went "fuck it, we're alright, lets stay at home"?

Thank fuck that's not the reality and we live in a society where some people still work towards the common good and not everyone does whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want...

That is also my point. I make decisions based on the risk. If any of my kids were in danger then I make a calculated risk to do whatever I want for them regardless of any laws/rules I may break in the process of providing care.

I have kept social distancing, not visited my Dad (who got a letter), nor any of my family/children/friends during the lockdown. However if they were in danger of harm then I would act differently. It is a parental instinct to protect those closest to you.

I will assume that your wife's school received the necessary guidance on how to operate in a safe manner for both the staff and children and if they couldn't would have refused to operate until such safeguards were in place.

 

[DaGaffer]

So fucking fine him like I said in my previous posts. Just like all the other idiots.

And also call for all the journalists outside his house yesterday and today who also are most probably increasing the R value more than his little jolly in a car to an isolated house.

No! He's one of the architects of the lockdown rules in the first place. A fine is not enough. The optics on this are utterly terrible, and its only all the dirt he has on Johnson and the Brexit campaign that's keeping him in place. Anyone else would have gone under the bus days ago, as you well know, because that's actually what's happened.

 

[MYstIC G]

I have kept social distancing, not visited my Dad (who got a letter), nor any of my family/children/friends during the lockdown. However if they were in danger of harm then I would act differently. It is a parental instinct to protect those closest to you.

So what happens when that act differently becomes the danger of harm for other parents and/or society as a whole? Presumably the one acting differently should be held to account, right?

 

[Deebs]

No! He's one of the architects of the lockdown rules in the first place. A fine is not enough. The optics on this are utterly terrible, and its only all the dirt he has on Johnson and the Brexit campaign that's keeping him in place. Anyone else would have gone under the bus days ago, as you well know, because that's actually what's happened.

Let's see what happens on his presser. Like I said I don't give a shit whether he stays or goes. I just hate this fucking witch hunt.

Don't see you condeming the behaviour of the press. Let's say you did something wrong and that mob turned up outside your house. You would be comfortable with it?

 

[Wij]

Let's see what happens on his presser. Like I said I don't give a shit whether he stays or goes. I just hate this fucking witch hunt.

Don't see you condeming the behaviour of the press. Let's say you did something wrong and that mob turned up outside your house. You would be comfortable with it?

If he'd resigned in the first place then there wouldn't be a press mob but I'm still happy for press to be fined if they are breaking the rules.

 

[Deebs]

So what happens when that act differently becomes the danger of harm for other parents and/or society as a whole? Presumably the one acting differently should be held to account, right?

I never once said I would put anyone else in harms way to protect my children or family but that I would take decisions based on risk. If I had to drive hundreds of miles in an isolated car to protect my family then I would. I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in my lifetime and know the risk of an accident based on those miles. To me the risk is minimal based on past journeys.

 

[Deebs]

If he'd resigned in the first place then there wouldn't be a press mob but I'm still happy for press to be fined if they are breaking the rules.

You mean sacked for breaking the rules. Just like Cummings.

 

[Wij]

You mean sacked for breaking the rules. Just like Cummings.

That's up to their editors. It doesn't undermine the government's whole lockdown message one way or the other.

 

[MYstIC G]

I never once said I would put anyone else in harms way to protect my children or family but that I would take decisions based on risk. If I had to drive hundreds of miles in an isolated car to protect my family then I would. I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in my lifetime and know the risk of an accident based on those miles. To me the risk is minimal based on past journeys.

So let's take you out of the equation and substitute in, say, Cummings.

 

[Deebs]

That's up to their editors. It doesn't undermine the government's whole lockdown message one way or the other.

Yes it does. Those journalists are the one reporting all the news. How they behave also has an impact on what the "people without common sense" have.

 

[Deebs]

So let's take you out of the equation and substitute in, say, Cummings.

Ok, forgetting his position. He drove 260 miles to an isolated house in his car. His sister then dropped off food on the doorstep. Never once exposed himself (that we know, same as me popping to local shops) to anyone.

 

[MYstIC G]

Ok, forgetting his position. He drove 260 miles to an isolated house in his car. His sister then dropped off food on the doorstep. Never once exposed himself (that we know, same as me popping to local shops) to anyone.

Ah, but did he calculate the risks as well as you did? Is it really safer to do all that than self-isolate at home in line with government guidance?

I mean for a start, not going on a car journey is probably less risky than driving 260 miles, right?

 

[DaGaffer]

Let's see what happens on his presser. Like I said I don't give a shit whether he stays or goes. I just hate this fucking witch hunt.

Don't see you condeming the behaviour of the press. Let's say you did something wrong and that mob turned up outside your house. You would be comfortable with it?

I don't give a shit. This is a guy who brought Cambridge Analytica into British politics, getting reamed by "old" media is poetic justice frankly.

 

[Deebs]

Ah, but did he calculate the risks as well as you did? Is it really safer to do all that than self-isolate at home in line with government guidance?

I mean for a start, not going on a car journey is probably less risky than driving 260 miles, right?

Well it depends. If you catch Covid-19 do you know how quickly you can become ill? Trust me if it was someone other than Cummings you would not be making such a thing of it. I can absolutely guarantee it.

Forget the person involved, assume it was me, would you be having such a view? I've already said I would do the same.

 

[Deebs]

I don't give a shit. This is a guy who brought Cambridge Analytica into British politics, getting reamed by "old" media is poetic justice frankly.

I also don't give a shit about him or who he is. He can go or stay. I am looking at this from a parental point of view.

 

[Wij]

I also don't give a shit about him or who he is. He can go or stay. I am looking at this from a parental point of view.

Let's just agree on go, like 99% of humanity.

 

[Wij]

This is an interesting take:

World of Warcraft: The Corrupted Blood Incident - Zero Punctuation

 

[Deebs]

Let's just agree on go, like 99% of humanity.

I can't. If it was Dave down the road in your street would you hold the same view?

 

[MYstIC G]

Well it depends. If you catch Covid-19 do you know how quickly you can become ill? Trust me if it was someone other than Cummings you would not be making such a thing of it. I can absolutely guarantee it.

Forget the person involved, assume it was me, would you be having such a view? I've already said I would do the same.

Trust you to know my own mind better than I do, yeah, right?

I have the same view of anyone that's not following the medical advice and risks expanding and extending a pandemic: They're wholly selfish