Politics Coronavirus

[Wij]

Yet on March 24th Dr Jenny Harris said at a presser:

“Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance."

And yet they managed. And they had family in London who could help if needed.

You know when some of us were saying that government messaging wasn't particularly clear we had the Tory-supporters insisting it was fine because people had common sense. Well according to the polls the common-sense of the British people clearly believes this was against the rules. So which is it? Is British common sense right or were you wrong to say it could be trusted?

 

[Bodhi]

“Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, campsites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays. People must remain in their primary residence. Not taking these steps puts additional pressure on communities and services that are already at risk.”

So you can't point to which law he broke then, considering all you have posted is guidance (which he acted in accordance with as well, see @Deebs post).

Nudge nudge.

 

[Talivar]

We may aswell rename this Liverpool vs United thread because it just looks like pure tribalism to me and i would wager a large ammount if we could travel back in time and switch Cummings with Corbyn and we would have the same debate but most of you would have just switched sides lol
Surely deep down we all know this ?
Not saying i am any better!

 

[Wij]

So you can't point to which law he broke then, considering all you have posted is guidance (which he acted in accordance with as well, see @Deebs post).

Nudge nudge.

This is weak-sauce wriggling. You can't say that guidelines about the rules don't count and then use other guidelines to prove your point (even though I've pointed out they are irrelevant because they had family in London).

The public disagrees with you. Many Tory MPs disagree with you (even mine).

Dominic Cummings faces growing pressure to resign from Tory MPs

Defence of Dominic Cummings is shameful, says ex-Durham police chief

'What planet are they on?' - Papers attack Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings

Why are you so wedded to this guy who wasn't even on the ballot paper?

It's not even a Labour vs Tory issue as the Tory MPs and Daily Mail proves. This is a those who've drunk very specific kool-aid vs everyone else issue.

 

[Wij]

Monday Lunchtime Briefing

 

[Bodhi]

This is weak-sauce wriggling. You can't say that guidelines about the rules don't count and then use other guidelines to prove your point (even though I've pointed out they are irrelevant because they had family in London).

The public disagrees with you. Many Tory MPs disagree with you (even mine).

Dominic Cummings faces growing pressure to resign from Tory MPs

Defence of Dominic Cummings is shameful, says ex-Durham police chief

'What planet are they on?' - Papers attack Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings

Why are you so wedded to this guy who wasn't even on the ballot paper?

It's not even a Labour vs Tory issue as the Tory MPs and Daily Mail proves. This is a those who've drunk very specific kool-aid vs everyone else issue.

Sadly for the mob, the law disagrees with it:

Was Dominic Cummings acting legally? | The Spectator

Any member of the public could have done the exact same thing and be within both the guidance and the law.

 

[Wij]

Weak.

"So everything I am about to say is only my opinion"

Childcare options were available elsewhere and he didn't need them. He's relying on Cummings getting a very sympathetic judge.

And the bigger issue is that it completely undermines the government's lockdown message.

Just weak.

 

[BloodOmen]

To be fair if I had to drive to the ends of the earth to protect my kids I would do it.

What we know so far:

1. He stayed in a separate house.
2. His sister dropped supplies off outside the house.
3. His son has autism and from what I understand means they need familiar faces for support.
4. He has family in London.
5. The MSM are behaving disgracefully. Hanging around his family home in London like a pack of fucking dogs not social distancing, touching each other, shouting in each others faces.
6. The people living in or around his street are now heckling him.
7. The child could still be in the house whilst this is all going on, poor child.
8. If he broke the rules then he should suffer the same treatment as everyone else, a fine. None of the other twats who went to parks, beaches or other mass gatherings got fired, they got fined.

For point 4, it maybe that he would not trust his child with those particular family members and I would certainly not want my kids to be placed into child care if there was a way to prevent it.

Personally I think it has been handled wrong, he should have apologized and accepted he bent the rules as a parent (again I would have done the same and taken the fine). Instead some of his comments to the press basically turned them into a howling mob.

I refer to something his wife wrote/was quoted on and underline/bold one very interesting part

"On the day Cummings ran out of No 10, his wife, Mary Wakefield, appears to have been already ill, according to her Spectator article about the experience, in which she says: “My husband did rush home to look after me.” The article did not mention that soon after he rushed home, the family went to the other end of the country.

The government has briefed that Cummings travelled north before developing symptoms of the virus, which is said to have struck him over the weekend of 28-29 March.

Wakefield wrote that Cummings said “I feel weird” and collapsed 24 hours after he came home to look after her, placing their journey north on Friday – perhaps trying to beat the weekend getaway – or Saturday at the latest." - The Guardian

""Dominic Cummings' wife gave a detailed account of the family's coronavirus ordeal - but failed to mention that they had broken lockdown to travel from London to Durham.

Journalist Mary Wakefield revealed that No10 chief Mr Cummings, 48, spent 10 days bedridden after 'collapsing' and having 'spasms' with the disease at the end of March.

Despite claims that the couple travelled 260 miles so they could access childcare, the article Ms Wakefield wrote for the Spectator last month says he was nursed by their young son."" - The Daily Mail

So they went across country, had corona symptoms (he even collapsed from it according to her) and the Son was still around them at ALL times, there was no rushing across the country for Child Care. Sounds like bollocks to me that they've just cooked up because he got caught.

I don't know what's more low, putting people at risk by going out and traveling with symptoms or using an autistic child as an excuse.

My oldest Son is Autistic and I know how he gets on long journeys, when my wife takes him to the hospital (which isn't even that far away) he's hard to deal with on Public Transport, I can only imagine what that lad was like being stuck in a car for 3-5 hours (because presumably they didn't stop since they both had symptoms)

 

[BloodOmen]

His position at #10 is untenable. Police, Doctors, Public even Conservatives are calling for him to go, he won't though, I reckon he has some dirt on Boris and that's why Boris won't get rid of him, because he'll take Boris down with him.

 

[Wij]

Weak.

"So everything I am about to say is only my opinion"

Childcare options were available elsewhere and he didn't need them. He's relying on Cummings getting a very sympathetic judge.

And the bigger issue is that it completely undermines the government's lockdown message.

Just weak.

Even Emb agrees. This is not party-political.

 

[BloodOmen]

The Guardian and The Daily Mail agreeing with each other... scary times - I think it was someone on Blairs cabinet that said when The Guardian and The Daily Mail agree, just fucking give up.

 

[DaGaffer]

Sadly for the mob, the law disagrees with it:

Was Dominic Cummings acting legally? | The Spectator

Any member of the public could have done the exact same thing and be within both the guidance and the law.

Utterly irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether what he did was legal or not; politicians (and their spin doctors) are supposed to set an example; the consent of the governed relies on that, especially in English law, where everything specifically not allowed, is (technically) allowed.

Cummings, who was literally on the team that wrote the fucking guidelines, then simply decided that they were for other people, not super special people like him. Also because said guidelines are vague horseshit, "leading by example" becomes even more important. But hey, you seem to like taking it right up the arse from our lords and masters, the rest of us would at least expect dinner first.

 

[caLLous]

 

[BloodOmen]

It's just going to him, being arrogant as fuck like he normally is answering shit that's already been asked. Don't see the point.

 

[Deebs]

And yet they managed. And they had family in London who could help if needed.

You know when some of us were saying that government messaging wasn't particularly clear we had the Tory-supporters insisting it was fine because people had common sense. Well according to the polls the common-sense of the British people clearly believes this was against the rules. So which is it? Is British common sense right or were you wrong to say it could be trusted?

Look, do you know his family circumstance? Maybe the family in London were not close in bond or suitable to look after his son. It is a witch hunt. What are your opinions on the way the MSM have behaved? No social distancing, hounding him, the fucking lorry with the tv screen broadcasting all about death.

That is not acceptable even for someone who flouted a rule. I bet everyone and I mean everyone broke at least one bit of the rulebook whilst under lockdown. I know I did. Several times.

 

[Deebs]

We may aswell rename this Liverpool vs United thread because it just looks like pure tribalism to me and i would wager a large ammount if we could travel back in time and switch Cummings with Corbyn and we would have the same debate but most of you would have just switched sides lol
Surely deep down we all know this ?
Not saying i am any better!

Nah I just think it is a witch hunt due to who it is. There was not this level of hysteria about Corbyn travelling many miles for his Dad's birthday, nor about the Labour MP who went to 2 funerals (one with around 100 ppl present).

 

[Deebs]

This is weak-sauce wriggling. You can't say that guidelines about the rules don't count and then use other guidelines to prove your point (even though I've pointed out they are irrelevant because they had family in London).

The public disagrees with you. Many Tory MPs disagree with you (even mine).

Dominic Cummings faces growing pressure to resign from Tory MPs

Defence of Dominic Cummings is shameful, says ex-Durham police chief

'What planet are they on?' - Papers attack Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings

Why are you so wedded to this guy who wasn't even on the ballot paper?

It's not even a Labour vs Tory issue as the Tory MPs and Daily Mail proves. This is a those who've drunk very specific kool-aid vs everyone else issue.

It is not due to a kool-aid drink. I would have done the same thing and am not ashamed to admit it. If the welfare of my kids is in danger the guidance/rules can fuckoff.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1264891591598190594

 

[Deebs]

I refer to something his wife wrote/was quoted on and underline/bold one very interesting part

"On the day Cummings ran out of No 10, his wife, Mary Wakefield, appears to have been already ill, according to her Spectator article about the experience, in which she says: “My husband did rush home to look after me.” The article did not mention that soon after he rushed home, the family went to the other end of the country.

The government has briefed that Cummings travelled north before developing symptoms of the virus, which is said to have struck him over the weekend of 28-29 March.

Wakefield wrote that Cummings said “I feel weird” and collapsed 24 hours after he came home to look after her, placing their journey north on Friday – perhaps trying to beat the weekend getaway – or Saturday at the latest." - The Guardian

""Dominic Cummings' wife gave a detailed account of the family's coronavirus ordeal - but failed to mention that they had broken lockdown to travel from London to Durham.

Journalist Mary Wakefield revealed that No10 chief Mr Cummings, 48, spent 10 days bedridden after 'collapsing' and having 'spasms' with the disease at the end of March.

Despite claims that the couple travelled 260 miles so they could access childcare, the article Ms Wakefield wrote for the Spectator last month says he was nursed by their young son."" - The Daily Mail

So they went across country, had corona symptoms (he even collapsed from it according to her) and the Son was still around them at ALL times, there was no rushing across the country for Child Care. Sounds like bollocks to me that they've just cooked up because he got caught.

I don't know what's more low, putting people at risk by going out and traveling with symptoms or using an autistic child as an excuse.

My oldest Son is Autistic and I know how he gets on long journeys, when my wife takes him to the hospital (which isn't even that far away) he's hard to deal with on Public Transport, I can only imagine what that lad was like being stuck in a car for 3-5 hours (because presumably they didn't stop since they both had symptoms)

Last time I looked driving in a car does not transmit Covid-19 to those outside of the car. Never been told to keep my car two metres from the car in front to reduce transmissions when sat at traffic lights.

Anyway let's see what happens at his presser.

 

[Wij]

It is not due to a kool-aid drink. I would have done the same thing and am not ashamed to admit it. If the welfare of my kids is in danger the guidance/rules can fuckoff.

You are not part of Downing St. And you might have got fined.

 

[BloodOmen]

Last time I looked driving in a car does not transmit Covid-19 to those outside of the car. Never been told to keep my car two metres from the car in front to reduce transmissions when sat at traffic lights.

Anyway let's see what happens at his presser.

I don't buy that he drove 3-5 hours from London to Durham and never stopped a single time with a child in the car.

 

[Deebs]

You are not part of Downing St. And you might have got fined.

So fucking fine him like I said in my previous posts. Just like all the other idiots.

And also call for all the journalists outside his house yesterday and today who also are most probably increasing the R value more than his little jolly in a car to an isolated house.

 

[Deebs]

I don't buy that he drove 3-5 hours from London to Durham and never stopped a single time with a child in the car.

Neither do I but when I travelled those distances with my mum and needed a piss and service stations etc were closed she would stop at the side of the road and let me piss into the grass whilst hiding behind the car. Think they are called laybys.

 

[BloodOmen]

Neither do I but when I travelled those distances with my mum and needed a piss and service stations etc were closed she would stop at the side of the road and let me piss into the grass whilst hiding behind the car. Think they are called laybys.

Anyway, pointless argument because the only people that know for sure is his wife and him. I still think he's in the wrong and should step down.

 

[Deebs]

Anyway, pointless argument because the only people that know for sure is his wife and him. I still think he's in the wrong and should step down.

I don't care if he steps down or not. That is his choice to make and he may decide to do just that. I disagree with the witch hunt demanding he be sacked and the way the MSM have been acting outside of his home who have broken many rules by doing so.

This is exactly how they treated Flack and look what happened to her. I only hope his wife, child and him are able to get through this. #BeKind my fucking arse. There needs to be new laws on how the MSM behave. This is nothing short of harassment in my view. It is fucking disgraceful.

 

[Wij]

So fucking fine him like I said in my previous posts. Just like all the other idiots.

And also call for all the journalists outside his house yesterday and today who also are most probably increasing the R value more than his little jolly in a car to an isolated house.

2 wrongs and all that.

 

[Deebs]

View: https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1264891591598190594

Can you help me identify what constitution he is asking about?

 

[Deebs]

2 wrongs and all that.

Exactly 2 wrongs don't make a right. Punish Cummings with the same as everyone else, ie a fine. Then deal with the rabid MSM in the same way.

Otherwise demand they all be sacked.

 

[Wij]

Exactly 2 wrongs don't make a right. Punish Cummings with the same as everyone else, ie a fine. Then deal with the rabid MSM in the same way.

Otherwise demand they all be sacked.

Great. Then we aren’t disagreeing. He should be fined and because he’s in the position he is he should resign.

What shouldn’t happen is all the governments credibility being torn to shreds to tell the UK public they are all wrong.

 

[Deebs]

Great. Then we aren’t disagreeing. He should be fined and because he’s in the position he is he should resign.

What shouldn’t happen is all the governments credibility being torn to shreds to tell the UK public they are all wrong.

It's his choice to resign if he feels that he should.

If this was Bob the builder down the road you and everyone else would not give a shit. He might be a special advisor but he is an equal to everyone in the eyes of the Law. Not some fucking cuntish MSM baying for blood.

If Bob gets a fine for doing it and nothing else then Cummings should get the same treatment under the Law.