News Clarkson suspended

[Scouse]

Growing up in Doncaster being called Jeremy must have led to an interesting childhood....

Not really, Jeremy Charles Robert Clarkson was privately educated, first at Hill House School (where the Earl of Scarborough, the even more impressively sillily named Richard Osbert Lumley, went (Osbert!)) and then Repton (where Sir James Ralph Darling went - and anyone with Ralph and Darling in the same name needs a bit of ridicule).

Jeremy never mixed with the plebs whilst he was growing up. His "man of the people" image is just more bullshit from David Cameron's bezzie.

 

[Bodhi]

Clarkson has a man of the people image? Really? Ok then....

 

[Job]

I'm merely being honest, the vast majority of the people who support Jeremy must of gone Oison?, what kinda name is that.
Then he proved himself to be the better man and people get over it.

 

[Scouse]

the vast majority of the people who support Jeremy must of gone Oison?, what kinda name is that.

Nah. I think most people with any sort of education and non royston-vasey outlook went "Oison" - interesting name. Or maybe, who gives a fuck.

"What kind of name is that" is reserved for people with no experience of other cultures. And Ireland and Irish names should hardly be shocking to a Scouser...

 

[DaGaffer]

I can get that people don't know how to pronounce an Irish name (God knows everybody I know in the UK was floored by my daughter's name when she was born, and its not even a difficult one by Irish standards), I'm just not sure they automatically think Irish names=middle class pretentiousness (which is a bit true, but only if you know how to navigate Ireland's peculiar class system; Irish names can be pretentious if you're from Dublin, but not necessarily depending on where your family is from, and not pretentious at all if you're a bogger. In our case, yes a bit pretentious, but I actually really like lots of Irish girls' names and don't like any Irish boys' names, so my daughter has an Irish name and my son doesn't.)

Oh, and please don't tell me the UK media are pronouncing it "Oison"?

 

[Raven]

Loads of Celtic names around, unsurprisingly from areas that still have a Celtic background. I am not even sure its even that pretentious even if the parents are from Dublin, its just Irish.

Edit, and by Celtic I do ofc mean Gaelic.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I find the whole name having a negative sound, or better yet class sound, attached to it weird. Very foreign for peeps from around here. To me it sounds like saying "man, my neighbours name is very potato tasting"

 

[DaGaffer]

Loads of Celtic names around, unsurprisingly from areas that still have a Celtic background. I am not even sure its even that pretentious even if the parents are from Dublin, its just Irish.

It can be. There's a bit of trend towards Irishifying surnames as well amongst a certain class of Irish people. If someone's from the Gealtacht, fine, lad I work with has a proper triple-word score going on, but Irish is actually his first language. People who's families have been "Murphy" for 200 years suddenly becoming "Ó Morchoe" overnight is kind of pretentious, and you don't get many working class people doing it.

 

[DaGaffer]

I find the whole name having a negative sound, or better yet class sound, attached to it weird. Very foreign for peeps from around here. To me it sounds like saying "man, my neighbours name is very potato tasting"

Actually I'm surprised its not been a thing in Finland. Did people "Swedish up" their names back in the day and then switch back to Finnish? That's why there's a vogue for Irish names, basically to "not be English" (although we'll leave aside the fact that most popular "English" names aren't English either, mine certainly isn't. You don't get many Osberts or Egberts knocking around England these days).

 

[Moriath]

I can get that people don't know how to pronounce an Irish name (God knows everybody I know in the UK was floored by my daughter's name when she was born, and its not even a difficult one by Irish standards), I'm just not sure they automatically think Irish names=middle class pretentiousness (which is a bit true, but only if you know how to navigate Ireland's peculiar class system; Irish names can be pretentious if you're from Dublin, but not necessarily depending on where your family is from, and not pretentious at all if you're a bogger. In our case, yes a bit pretentious, but I actually really like lots of Irish girls' names and don't like any Irish boys' names, so my daughter has an Irish name and my son doesn't.)

Oh, and please don't tell me the UK media are pronouncing it "Oison"?

How do you pronounce it. Other than. Oi son like I wouldn't have a clue.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Actually I'm surprised its not been a thing in Finland. Did people "Swedish up" their names back in the day and then switch back to Finnish? That's why there's a vogue for Irish names, basically to "not be English" (although we'll leave aside the fact that most popular "English" names aren't English either, mine certainly isn't. You don't get many Osberts or Egberts knocking around England these days).

Probably only through marriage, although nto discounting some silly people sweding up their name to seem fancier. Mostly it's legitimate though, swedish family heritage etc and proudness to have a finnish name.

Not really into last names though so might be horribly wrong, just going by the general way things are. Names are just names around here, or atleast in my nonrich regular folk circles.

 

[DaGaffer]

How do you pronounce it. Other than. Oi son like I wouldn't have a clue.

O Sheen

 

[Moriath]

O Sheen

I can see how that works. Not. But ok.

 

[Ormorof]

Actually I'm surprised its not been a thing in Finland. Did people "Swedish up" their names back in the day and then switch back to Finnish? That's why there's a vogue for Irish names, basically to "not be English" (although we'll leave aside the fact that most popular "English" names aren't English either, mine certainly isn't. You don't get many Osberts or Egberts knocking around England these days).

they did indeed

for example Axel Waldemar Gallén, a famous artist changed his name to Akseli Gallen-Kallela

it was very in vogue back at the start of 20th century to be pro independence and pro finnish

 

[old.Tohtori]

for example Axel Waldemar Gallén, a famous artist changed his name to Akseli Gallen-Kallela

it was very in vogue back at the start of 20th century to be pro independence and pro finnish

Yeah funnily enough it seems people didn't "swedify" their names as i thought they might've, but turned more patriot style.

Probably why there's no general class<->name wibe these days because it wasn't a status thing, but more of a pride thing.

 

[DaGaffer]

I can see how that works. Not. But ok.

Oh you have no idea Try this one:

Caoimhe

No idea? OK. Its:

Spoiler

Keeva. No I have no fucking clue how either

 

[Gwadien]

Oh you have no idea Try this one:

Caoimhe

No idea? OK. Its:

Spoiler

Keeva. No I have no fucking clue how either

Bit like Sion.

 

[Bodhi]

I can see how that works. Not. But ok.

Try again after 8 pints of Guiness

 

[Job]

Well I've found the new Topgear team, this is well worth watching to the end, it just get's better.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hny1KcGiyr4#

 

[Trem]

I can get that people don't know how to pronounce an Irish name (God knows everybody I know in the UK was floored by my daughter's name when she was born, and its not even a difficult one by Irish standards), I'm just not sure they automatically think Irish names=middle class pretentiousness (which is a bit true, but only if you know how to navigate Ireland's peculiar class system; Irish names can be pretentious if you're from Dublin, but not necessarily depending on where your family is from, and not pretentious at all if you're a bogger. In our case, yes a bit pretentious, but I actually really like lots of Irish girls' names and don't like any Irish boys' names, so my daughter has an Irish name and my son doesn't.)

Oh, and please don't tell me the UK media are pronouncing it "Oison"?

@DaGaffer I aren't a massive Lee Mack fan but this made me laugh lots when I first saw it -


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcLOKQOpj7U

 

[Job]

Ah yes Syoban.
Is their an English spelling for it?
Chevorne maybe

 

[Raven]

It's "Siobhan"

According to the internets it's English version is Jane...so er yeah.

 

[Job]

I was being sarcastic

 

[CorNokZ]

 

[Edmond]

Did a job late last year for an Irish couple and the lady's contact name I had was 'Niamh'.

How would you pronounce that?

Its Neeve

 

[Bodhi]

Looks like the planned live shows are going ahead, with all 3 presenters present and correct. BBC and Top Gear branding will be dropped, it will just be called "Clarkson, Hammond and May Live".

Good to see the beeb's attempts to prove no one person is bigger than the show are going as well as ever then...

 

[Scouse]

Good to see the beeb's attempts to prove no one person is bigger than the show are going as well as ever then...

Don't understand why you're having a pop at the beeb rather than the guy who physically assaulted a junior.

What do you think the beeb should do instead in this case?

 

[old.user4556]

As a skirtland resident used to Gaelic pronunciations, it was fairly obvious to me. Oisin is very like the girl's name Roisin (roh-sheen), so deduced pronunciation as the same.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Is Big G pronounced Bartholomew, without a th and a silent c?

 

[caLLous]

No.