News Clarkson suspended

[Billargh]

I quite like Daniel Radcliffe.

 

[Job]

Poor old Jeremy, a signed preview of his new book only got 50 quid at a charity auction....which is unbelievable really, it would be worth a fortune.

 

[Job]

Philip Glenister has popped up as s potential presenter...probably the only person who could stand in Clarksons shoes...looking better.

 

[caLLous]

He seems to be coping...

 

[DaGaffer]

Philip Glenister has popped up as s potential presenter...probably the only person who could stand in Clarksons shoes...looking better.

Lazy journos putting 2+2 together and getting 5 based on one show that he's done already and the fact that he was a guest columnist in the Sunday Times.

 

[Raven]

I wouldn't even say they are putting 2 and 2 together. More like just making it up to fill some column inches, again.

Do newspapers have any credibility these days?

 

[Job]

As much as Perkins is the most blatant token lesbian..she has done some similar stuff like the most dangerous road series, so she has probably done more hardcore driving than 90% of the viewers .


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcgJT4hYSuQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Of course I've driven all those Alaskan/ Canadian artic roads..cos I'm as cool as fuk.

 

[Raven]

Just let it go.

Top Gear is a program that used to be on telly and was sometimes funny.

Clarkson, May and Hammond will have a new show soon, watch that instead.

 

[Tom]

There's a lot more to Clarkson's input on Top Gear than just presenting the programme. Any attempt the BBC make to rehash Top Gear will result in a radically different show. You just can't replace someone like that and expect the same product.

 

[old.Tohtori]

lesbian..

Wanted to ask that on the first of your posts about her, but why is that relevant?

 

[Job]

Ah the pride is strong in you.

 

[Scouse]

Ah the pride is strong in you.

I don't give a monkeys that perkins muches rugs. In fact, if there was a leaked video I'd prolly watch it. My objection would be that I find her quite dull...

 

[Raven]

She looks like she might have a penis anyway so not sure if she could be considered a lesbian or not.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ah the pride is strong in you.

Dodging the question are we? I'm not gay(atlesst to my knowledge), but i find it interesting that you seem to think it's a trait that needs to be highlighted.

 

[DaGaffer]

Dodging the question are we? I'm not gay(atlesst to my knowledge), but i find it interesting that you seem to think it's a trait that needs to be highlighted.

In Job's defence (*shudders*) a female lesbian would be pretty much regarded as the antithesis to Clarkson by the media (and by a lot of the right-on Islingtonites in the BBC who hated TG and everything it stood for, e.g. Danny Cohen). After all its not just a woman, but a woman who's rejected men explicitly.

 

[Scouse]

a woman who's rejected men explicitly.

Only sexually. And last time I looked, Clarkson's sexuality wasn't the driving force behind TG (and he rejected men sexually too, probably. Not sure about Hammond on the scale tho, wife could be beard...).

Yep, cars can have something to do with sex, but I think it's a regardless-of-orientation thing...

 

[DaGaffer]

Only sexually. And last time I looked, Clarkson's sexuality wasn't the driving force behind TG (and he rejected men sexually too, probably. Not sure about Hammond on the scale tho, wife could be beard...).

Yep, cars can have something to do with sex, but I think it's a regardless-of-orientation thing...

Reality is irrelevant; media is about simple messages for morons, and short of being black, Sue Perkins ticks every "not Clarkson" box.

 

[Scouse]

Reality is irrelevant; media is about simple messages for morons, and short of being black, Sue Perkins ticks every "not Clarkson" box.

She should definitely present it in the style of the travelling minstrels then.

Beeb should do it as a big fuck you

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wouldn't call it much of a defence to say it's ok because the media and simpletons would have a skewed view of lesbians. For starters anyone thinking lesbians"reject men" like it's a choice, or that it's about sex, need a reality check.

 

[DaGaffer]

Wouldn't call it much of a defence to say it's ok because the media and simpletons would have a skewed view of lesbians. For starters anyone thinking lesbians "reject men" like it's a choice, or that it's about sex, need a reality check.

Way to miss the point entirely. As usual.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Way to miss the point entirely. As usual.

How so?

 

[Job]

Dodging the question are we? I'm not gay(atlesst to my knowledge), but i find it interesting that you seem to think it's a trait that needs to be highlighted.

I would like to think you could read into my short reply my opinion on the matter, but even I balk at stating the obvious.
Sue can be funny and is up for it, but the BBC know a few things about ratings and they have carefully crafted, I would say cynically, a politically correct audience demograph for her to slot into (fnarr).
They could reinvent TG and it might be entertaining, but it will never be what it was under Clarkson.

 

[old.Tohtori]

First you try to imply i'm gay as a "haha" answer, then you just copy/paste dagaffs irrelevant answer.

I'm not asking what the media thinks, or how the bbc molds a perfect anti-clarkson, or what the moronic masses think.

I'm asking you why it matters that she's a lesbian, or a woman, or anything that's not even closely relevant to being able to host the show.

Because, if your answer isn't along the lines of;

I don't give a monkeys that perkins muches rugs. In fact, if there was a leaked video I'd prolly watch it. My objection would be that I find her quite dull...

Then it's probably not ok. And that's saying a lot since i'm quoting scouse here

 

[Raven]

Because she is a talentless waste of airtime. Basically all she does is drop really bad innuendo, all the time...that's her thing.

 

[DaGaffer]

Wouldn't call it much of a defence to say it's ok because the media and simpletons would have a skewed view of lesbians. For starters anyone thinking lesbians"reject men" like it's a choice, or that it's about sex, need a reality check.

Oh God, now I have to explain the Culture Wars to you? FFS. Right, fine. Sue Perkins the person is irrelevant. Sue Perkins the persona is a convenient symbol; she's a cartoon representation of all the things Clarkson isn't; female, gay, "politically correct", broadly socialist. As such, her selection would generate outrage among TG's existing fan base, not because of her abilities as a presenter, but because, in their view, she wouldn't have been chosen for her abilities, but simply for her symbolism. The right wing press would love that because it generates column inches and clicks, the left wing press would love it because it counts as a win in their drive to modernise media (and every other sphere of life) in their own image. The opinion of the people who actually watch the show is actually irrelevant in this struggle. And here's the most interesting thing; the left wing media, and the right wing media; they're all the same people. They all went to same universities, they all know each other, and nine times out of ten are just as happy writing a Daily Mail byline as a Guardian one. And this also applies to Clarkson himself, who is a persona and nothing like as chauvinistic or xenophobic as he's painted (especially the latter; in real life he's actually quite the Europhile). NB. This isn't to say there aren't real and bitter divisions over the political and social direction of media (e.g. Gamergate), but in Top Gear's case the people generating all the noise are just doing it to make saps read more papers and click on more banner ads, and then they'll all go off to The Groucho or Soho house or wherever the fuck it is media types hang out these days, for drinks and a joke about it.

So, what Job, or me or Scouse think of Sue Perkins' sexual orientation is irrelevant, but her sexual orientation is relevant to the conversation about TG as shorthand for the manufactured debate that's going on about the show's direction.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sometimes you forget that i'm not from your little island and i don't know your weird political frameworks and class/celeb spesific nicknacks

Hell i've never heard of sue perkins before this and shes probably some household name over there. So yes, explaining how i missed that point would be prudent as none of what you wrote is "common knowledge" outside the UK. No you don't need to explain culture wars, knowing that and knowing this are not connected

I get that point, i get how an anti-clarkson would xyz and how it's possible she's chosen because of it, wasn't disputing that and sorry if it sounded like it...but...It still doesn't change the fact that i was asking Job of his opinion since he's felt the need to point out her lesbian nature for the second time. That's why i also said it's not much of a defence, especialy since Jobs first answer of "pride is strong in you" indicated little of what you're saying.

 

[Bodhi]

He seems to be coping...

Sounds to me like he has a pretty good idea of where the 3 of them will turn up next, even potentially back on the BBC if I got his inference correct?

 

[Trem]

What the bloody helling fuck are you lot banging on about

Lesbians and stuff, well I never.

 

[old.Tohtori]

banging on

Lesbians and stuff

Hmm, conflict of interest there

 

[Job]

C'mon Toht, I wasn't remotely suggesting you were gay, I was simply digging that you support sexual freedom and get a bit touchy about it.
Which you have.
Anyway your boyfriends left his handbag at my flat.