Children and F*CKING language.

[Calaen]

What the hell kind of answer is that?

There' nothing to get over and i said "to some". I can stand a kid crying, but doesn't make it any less intrusive and annoying.

It's forcing YOUR lifestyle/choice on others, just as much as asking someone to not curse is. Or just as much as someone deliberately cursing to your kids is. It's a hypocritical standpoint that you jsut seem to be unable to grasp, not surprising as you have kids.

But as said, you'll start a fight when someone tells you to piss off with your demands, and you consider it ok to come in and insult others, while preaching how twats are running about insulting everyone.

Hypocrisy is pretty much your ballpark.

I didn't demand anything actually??, I said make a polite request. Mongo, whats a matter with you? Did you get half way through a sentence, think you had an good response but blow your load before you finished reading?

Everything you have posted in that is absolute fucking drivel, I made no demands or insults to anyone. Stop twisting it to get yourself off.

I was clearly brought up with a bit more class.

 

[MYstIC G]

Winner

Charlie Sheen eat your fucking heart out

 

[Scouse]

It seems to me you like and seek out confrontational situations...

Or did you just tell that women with kids to fuck off in front of your friends to prove to them that you can say and do whatever you like anywhere you like?

I didn't do that. Go back and re-read.

My girlfriends sister was visiting. We were in the pub. I swore at my mates. My girlfriends sister told me to can the swearing - and I told her where to go.


Edit: Are you going to have a go at Cal for admitting he's a punchy fucker?

 

[Calaen]

No, Scouse said you're a tit and a hypocrite for starting a fight over it if someone doesn't bow to your demands.

That and the way you act in general(read; an offensive prick 90% of the time), makes you the problem, not Scouse.

See above post ballbag, I made no demands. You'd expect someone that has written a book to be able to fuckig read.

Considering 99% of your life is a remote fantasy (insult), go and fuck yourself (demand) Because your an inbred fuck (deliberate offense intended)

 

[MYstIC G]

I get what he is saying....Fuck'em all etc...
If Everyone was like that the world would not be very pleasant is all I'm saying.
It's not difficult once in a while to be a little courteous to others...

That's not how I would interpret what he's saying at all.

To me he is saying: if you expect me to do something you should do it yourself first and not be a hypocrite, i.e. how can you justify telling me to do a thing that you are not prepared to do yourself.

 

[Calaen]

I didn't do that. Go back and re-read.

My girlfriends sister was visiting. We were in the pub. I swore at my mates. My girlfriends sister told me to can the swearing - and I told her where to go.

I get that, but if the parent would have made a request would your response have been the same? and in the same tone?

 

[dysfunction]

I didn't do that. Go back and re-read.

My girlfriends sister was visiting. We were in the pub. I swore at my mates. My girlfriends sister told me to can the swearing - and I told her where to go.


Edit: Are you going to have a go at Cal for admitting he's a punchy fucker?

I see. You made it sound as though it was directed at the family and then the child started crying....

Yes I'll have a go at Cal for being "punchy". I don't see being violent solves anything...it just causes more problems

 

[Krazeh]

I disagree. I don't think it has a bearing. Like I said in the answer you quoted - why do I have to be in a pub that doesn't serve food to swear?

You don't. You can swear to your heart's content as long as you're not doing so in an environment that actively welcomes children, whether alone or as part of a family group, and there aren't any children around to hear you. If you're in an environment that welcomes children but there's none around then go ahead and swear. If you're in an environment which should be adults only but someone has brought a kid to then go ahead and swear.

If you have kids, then this:

The onus is on the parents to provide an environment which they want their kids to grow up in. They are responsible for their own choices - and if they've chosen to take their kids into the pub (or out of the front door for that matter) then they've accepted that risk.

There's no point getting pissy about it when the world doesn't turn out the way you wanted it to - all you achieve is an increase in the number of pissy people on earth.

There are choices you can make to minimise the chances of bad language being used - like going to one of those dire family pubs for example. The shite ones, that are full of kids that people like me would never go in to, right?

You rolled the child-dice after all - so you can put up with the consequences of your actions. Don't expect everyone else to.

Like it or not a growing number of pubs, and not just the 'dire' ones, are looking to welcome family groups in during the day for food or just a quiet afternoon drink and if you're in one of those pubs then you should act in a manner that reflects your status as a responsible mature adult and not like a petulant child that's throwing their toys out of the pram. As you say parents are responsible for providing an environment which they want their kids to grow up in and if they choose to eat out during the day in a pub that has positioned itself as a family friendly environment then they should be able to expect that the adults in there will be responsible enough to moderate their language when children are around.

 

[Scouse]

If he was talking about another adult being offended in the same instance I would completely agree with him. But he's talking about kids.

You obviously have no idea what I was talking about. Maybe in your blind rage you should go out and hit someone eh?

Cal: Don't use bad language with me - or I'll hit you!

Funneh

Edit: Ah:

I get that, but if the parent would have made a request would your response have been the same? and in the same tone?

This has happened to me. I politely told them to their face that I'm sorry, but I'm in a pub and out with my friends in a public place and that bad langage may ensue.

I told them I'm sorry if they took offence at my language but I can't stop my voice travelling through the air.



Should I have punched the twat or something? Seems to be your method...

 

[Calaen]

You obviously have no idea what I was talking about. Maybe in your blind rage you should go out and hit someone eh?


Cal: Don't use bad language with me - or I'll hit you!


Funneh

I know exactly what you were talking about. My trail of thought was based on the parent asking you, if you didn't mind keeping it down a tad. Your lasses sister was in my eyes benig considerate of others. Nothing wrong with that at all.

As for the hitting comment, I'll stand by it, why would anyone deliberately offend put someone down infront of his family? If they had been asked politely to keep it down?

In my world the above situation wouldn't ever occur because someone with respect for others and a bit of common sense would adjust their language based on their surroundings.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I didn't demand anything actually??, I said make a polite request. Mongo, whats a matter with you? Did you get half way through a sentence, think you had an good response but blow your load before you finished reading?

Everything you have posted in that is absolute fucking drivel, I made no demands or insults to anyone. Stop twisting it to get yourself off.

I was clearly brought up with a bit more class.

Polite request goes out the window if you start punching people when they don't do as you ask. You've been insultive towards me the whole thread, starting with your first post; you even went around the word filter to do so.

That accompanied with your punchy behaviour makes you exactly the problem your country has, as per your own words.

If your definition of class is "If i can't discuss things, i'll insult them and if they disagree, i'll start a fight.", then you are indeed in SOME class of people.

Nothing new though, i'm just amazed that you're allowed to be so offensive towards people without any hinder. Especially your last post towards me was a doozy.

 

[Calaen]

This has happened to me. I politely told them to their face that I'm sorry, but I'm in a pub and out with my friends in a public place and that bad langage may ensue.

I told them I'm sorry if they took offence at my language but I can't stop my voice travelling through the air.

Should I have punched the twat or something? Seems to be your method...

Ah so your penis waving "theyfuck off if they don't like it" was simply meant to show your dominance over your followers?

The response you gave was sufficient, and one that wouldn't create a resposne because it was done in a proper manner. I fear we've been beating our chests, about two different things completely.

 

[Calaen]

Polite request goes out the window if you start punching people when they don't do as you ask. You've been insultive towards me the whole thread, starting with your first post; you even went around the word filter to do so.

That accompanied with your punchy behaviour makes you exactly the problem your country has, as per your own words.

If your definition of class is "If i can't discuss things, i'll insult them and if they disagree, i'll start a fight.", then you are indeed in SOME class of people.

Nothing new though, i'm just amazed that you're allowed to be so offensive towards people without any hinder. Especially your last post towards me was a doozy.

As for my punchy behaviour, go and read it back bellend, if someone responded with a polite request by myself. With an insult directed at me. That is a verbal attack, I won't allow that to happen on my own, let alone infront of my family.

So unless your gonna respond with an answer that actually covers the circumstances that I am trying to explain to you.

I'll spell it out for you F U C K O F F.

 

[chipper]

just seen this post and as a parent ill respond directly to you toht and your first post

i do swear in front of the kids i know i shouldnt but i do but it serves a purpose if i swear they know theyve crossed a line and are in for it,

if they swear they get told off for it for one simple reason they are using it out of context they think its cool to swear, its not. anyone who thinks other wise is a bit of a prick imo (dont take that out of context im not calling you a prick unless of course you think its cool to swear)

me personally i never have or will swear at kids i do not know im talking little children here,
teenagers who think its cool to walk slowly over the road just to look cool will incur a rather rude comment

i dont tend to swear in public if i do its usually under my breath i find it socially unacceptable that someone should have to listen to me being foul mouthed when all they are doing is going about their day

this is not a holier than thou post this is just how i am i do swear when im alone with the GF if something pisses me off and at work cos i work in a factory and the vocabulary there is pretty much every swear word intermixed with the odd word from the dictionary it rubs off on you unfortunately

the jist of my post is i think its unacceptable to swear in public whether children are about or not especially some foul mouthed yob walking down the street with his chavvy mates shouting every curse word he knows which is usually 4 or 5 cos hes a chav and cant pronounce some of the longer ones

 

[Huntingtons]

Dear All. Please don't bypass the c word on the swear filter. It's not like we have a massive number of items on the list ffs. Thanks.

sorry but i dont get it. **** is a new word with a meaning identical to the original word. Isnt this how languages develop and evolve?

 

[old.Tohtori]

As for my punchy behaviour, go and read it back bellend, if someone responded with a polite request by myself. With an insult directed at me. That is a verbal attack, I won't allow that to happen on my own, let alone infront of my family.

So unless your gonna respond with an answer that actually covers the circumstances that I am trying to explain to you.

I'll spell it out for you F U C K O F F.

I've actually answered everything in your context, yet you've been raging on and on since you got this little bit of an issue with me. Funny really and one that i bet others can see

As said, if you think punching someone because they told you to f*ck off is alright, then you're the problem case.

I don't need to f*ck off anywhere, again, you're the one who came to my thread, spouting insults, calling me a four star word, continuing with the insults along the line and probably, if it were RL, would have punched me already. You not seeing a problem with your "class" upbringing is a bit sad to be honest.

just seen this post and as a parent ill respond directly to you toht and your first post

Quite, moderation is ofcourse the key and i didn't mean that it's ok to run around town, swearing at everyone and everything as you see fit. The balance has to come from the parental side too and you seem like a parental unit that gets how it should be.

I think it's simply because some parents are way too protective and partly due to trying to keep it to a minimum, until the age is appropriate.

I really like the answer about tellign them not to sweear because they don't know the context, good point.

 

[Calaen]

I've actually answered everything in your context, yet you've been raging on and on since you got this little bit of an issue with me. Funny really and one that i bet others can see

No you have not. You actually said I was being the offensive one for asking someone politely to keep it down. If someone told me to fuck off after that polite request I would consider that an aggressive use of said bad language.

In no way shape or form is any of the dribble you have put in here with regards to me based on the above event taking place.

Where I come from if somone crosses the street eyeballs you and starts swearing, it's better to get the first punch in and worry about it later, simply because the kids nowadays don't solve things with their fists like when I was a kid and their likely to stab you for your wallet, regardless of whether you were going to just give it to them anyway.

 

[old.Tohtori]

In my youth, we didn't solve issues with fists to start with Mister Classy person.

You were referring to Scouses story, where he told them that "your kids can f*ck off too", that answer was that you'd start a fight. That was replied by several people as punchy. Again, what i've been saying all along; if you start a fight when someone tells you to f*ck off for telling them what to do(be it how nicely asked), then you are the sort of person you claim are ruining the country.

Not to mention, it still gives no excuse to you coming to the thread and starting right off from the bat with the insults, which you condemned as country runing behaviour.

Hypocritical, as stated, but nothing new. You have different rules for others and yourself, which is fine if that's the way you want to show an example.

 

[Scouse]

You don't. You can swear to your heart's content as long as you're not doing so in an environment that actively welcomes children, whether alone or as part of a family group, and there aren't any children around to hear you. If you're in an environment that welcomes children but there's none around then go ahead and swear. If you're in an environment which should be adults only but someone has brought a kid to then go ahead and swear.

That's roughly the rule I work to. Roughly. Very roughly.

Like it or not a growing number of pubs, and not just the 'dire' ones, are looking to welcome family groups in during the day for food or just a quiet afternoon drink and if you're in one of those pubs then you should act in a manner that reflects your status as a responsible mature adult and not like a petulant child that's throwing their toys out of the pram. As you say parents are responsible for providing an environment which they want their kids to grow up in and if they choose to eat out during the day in a pub that has positioned itself as a family friendly environment then they should be able to expect that the adults in there will be responsible enough to moderate their language when children are around.

There's a related yet separate debate here which is much more complex.

I agree that pubs are under economic strain and many of them have to widen their net in order to remain afloat. This means that the "traditional" watering hole, which just happens to be a nice, peaceful, fun-filled and kiddie-free environment that I particularly enjoy frequenting with my friends is quickly becoming an increasingly rare occurance.

For example: I live in Nottingham, which but ten years ago was replete with adult watering holes that sold decent bitter and had cheap pool tables for me and my friends to monopolise from dawn until dusk - without coming near a screaming child.

Nowadays?

The way our capitalist society is going these things are becoming economically unviable.

An inevitable consequence of this is the social pressure of parents venturing out with their kids into areas that previously were inhabited by people who detest the "family" idyll.

Part of this family idyll seems to be the expectation that everyone around them has to watch how they behave "for the kids".

If I could be happy behaving in that fashion then I (and the people I hang out with) wouldn't have spent the bulk of our adult lives seeking out these refuges.


So. Here's our place of conflict. And conflict there will (and should) be. Three main pressures:

• Economically-imposed increasing scarcity of child-free venues - removing a social pressure release-valve
• Parents expecting everyone to conform to standards they hold during the upbringing of young children.
• Adults who are unable to live happy lives if they have to conform to those standards.

I shall repeat - in face of those facts what would be the correct answer to this question:

Can I ask - do you not think the correct intellectual stance to take would be to understand that there are people in this world who don't think and act like you yourself do, and that the best course of action would be to understand that fact - rather than get pissed off when they don't act the way you want them to?

I don't want to live in a world of economically-imposed societal norms.


I certainly won't entertain the opinions of parents who take offence at langauge that their kids will be using in a few years time anyway (and probably are right now behind their backs) and get all punchy when I won't conform to their standards

 

[MYstIC G]

sorry but i dont get it. **** is a new word with a meaning identical to the original word. Isnt this how languages develop and evolve?

There's nothing to get mate. The filter list is what it is and I've politely asked that people don't jump around it. So please don't.

 

[Scouse]

As for the hitting comment, I'll stand by it, why would anyone deliberately offend put someone down infront of his family? If they had been asked politely to keep it down?

In my world the above situation wouldn't ever occur because someone with respect for others and a bit of common sense would adjust their language based on their surroundings.

And when it does occur you'll kick their fucking asses to shit eh?!


Calaen - because violence against people who use bad langage is justified:

Fuck Canada eh Cal?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I wouldn't dare go drinking with someone like Cal, would have to watch every word incase the Cal dicktionary stated it's a punchable offense

 

[Thorwyn]

Lies!
You´re finnish. You drink with everyone as long as there´s alcohol in the game.

 

[DaGaffer]

In Ireland we have a special place where adults can swear with in earshot of children; its called "everywhere".

 

[old.Tohtori]

Lies!
You´re finnish. You drink with everyone as long as there´s alcohol in the game.

That's true and i'm actually thiking that Cal might be a decent person IRL, what with the anonymity of the internet not feeding his rage

 

[Scouse]

In Ireland we have a special place where adults can swear with in earshot of children; its called "everywhere".

I knew I liked the idea of that country for some reason!

Funny how societal norms are different in different places. You'd have thought a live-and-let-live attitude would be more prevelant eh?

 

[gohan]

BORED NOW


if u go back to page one you will notice i already won the internet


all of it


so there's nothing to play for anymore, lets all just go and have a big grp shower and relive some tension

 

[Raven]

You all got trolled.

 

[Scouse]

How? Apart from posting in a thread Toht started?

Cal really would hit someone for bad language!

 

[old.Tohtori]

How? Apart from posting in a thread Toht started?

Cal really would hit someone for bad language!

Hey, everything i do is a troll these days. Even agreeing with me is getting trolled. F*ck bridges and the wannab trolls living under them, screw the internet meme spouting so called "baiters", i can make trolls happen just with my name

Seriously though, Raven is Raven.