Changes at Goa

[Dard]

NO I am saying that people who solo and say they should be respected and left alone should know: It works only if it goes both way.

If they leave PVE people alone => PVE people will leave them alone.
If they farm PVE people => PVE people will have to team up and farm them and crash their PVE fights.

it is their choice, and they live with the consequences of their actions.

I hate PvE, if all those lame PvE'ers left me alone while i'm having my 1v1, 8v8 or zerg vs zerg fights then they wouldnt get abused.

But ...

It's their choice & so they should live with the consequences of their actions.

 

[Esselinithia]

The PVE people won't attack you unless they KNOW you will attack you.

Why? Because they don't want to fight with you or anyone else.

To make PVE people add, you should annoy them first and make their life harder. But if it happens they will have evey reason to add on your fights.

(But adding on fights of friendly people? NO way! If I would do that they wouldn't let me do my assassin missions!)

 

[Esselinithia]

So by your argument, you´re elevating yourself to a higher instance, basically saying: leave me alone while I`m doing my RP FARMING, otherwise I´m gonna team up and spoil your fights. You´re not respecting their playstyle (as you have said before in your crusade against duelling), but you expect them to respect your playstyle, otherwise you´re ready to punish them. Both ways... like you said.. both ways.

Thorwyn: I am not saying: I will add on all of your fights, I will ruin your game, etc. UNLESS you support my stuff.

I say: If you don't leave others alone, you shouldn't ask to be left alone. If you don't respect others you shouldn't ask anyone to respect you. You shouldn't ask GOA to respect you.

PVE people won't attack or add on soloers. I somehow doubt that siege people would stop duels (in most sieges I was on it never happened) but I know as soon as dueling circes claim an area and makes it hard for others to play: They made themself fair targets for both adds and GOA, they shouldn't whine.

Interestingly the whine isn't started by the adds: They reacted in game.
It is started by dueling ring people, who didn't respect others, were rude, were questioning and attacking GMs. Ones who ruined the game for others on purpose and didn't like even terms.

There is no crusade against dueling people here, noone said anything against you till you came out against everyone and GOA for not supporting you when you don't support others and your conduct is abusive.

Time to think about it.

 

[Gahn]

The PVE people won't attack you unless they KNOW you will attack you.

Why? Because they don't want to fight with you or anyone else.

To make PVE people add, you should annoy them first and make their life harder. But if it happens they will have evey reason to add on your fights.

(But adding on fights of friendly people? NO way! If I would do that they wouldn't let me do my assassin missions!)

I never engaged ppl in their assassin missions, cause let's face it isn't a bit of a challenge; and now how comes that the very same person added on me on their way back to keep? I didn't touched em, didn't interfer with their way to get basic ras. It's a mental state and a way to play the game, it's not an eye to eye. Get real, there are an high % of lamers playing MMPORGS, that's it.
Also i can name tons of ppl who started to solo at rr3 and kept it up even if tuff; your arguments are all flawed tbh.

 

[Gahn]

Thorwyn: I am not saying: I will add on all of your fights, I will ruin your game, etc. UNLESS you support my stuff.

I say: If you don't leave others alone, you shouldn't ask to be left alone. If you don't respect others you shouldn't ask anyone to respect you. You shouldn't ask GOA to respect you.

PVE people won't attack or add on soloers. I somehow doubt that siege people would stop duels (in most sieges I was on it never happened) but I know as soon as dueling circes claim an area and makes it hard for others to play: They made themself fair targets for both adds and GOA, they shouldn't whine.

Interestingly the whine isn't started by the adds: They reacted in game.
It is started by dueling ring people, who didn't respect others, were rude, were questioning and attacking GMs. Ones who ruined the game for others on purpose and didn't like even terms.

There is no crusade against dueling people here, noone said anything against you till you came out against everyone and GOA for not supporting you when you don't support others and your conduct is abusive.

Time to think about it.

Pile of BS, solo ppl doesn't cut off any1 IF they wanna solo. They doesn't claim a bridge to solo, they "claim" an area off the traffic to do their things and they are the ones ruining others game experience?
U are becoming beyond ridicolous tbh.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Somewhat veered off topic here but I guess that was inevitable.

I noticed some arguments about ToA being made easier. Though not directly related, its worth mentioning that the 'dumbing down' of game content over time is common in many online games. Sometimes the devs realise something was scaled too difficult and/or has created imbalances so need to widen out the accessability of items/abilities and hence the encounters/dungeons where they are gained. There is nothing wrong with scaling down ToA.

I don't think you'll see anywhere anyone from GOA taking a pop at people that like to solo, duo or play 8v8. The only time there's been comments or action is when it is perceived that farming for unfair advantage (easy RPs) is taking place. Note the keyword here is 'perceived'. As said in my previous post there's a potential for people to get caught out if nearby or whatever. Regardless, treat it as a learning experience and just move on.

It does seem to be a small subset of the players themselves that push for their particular aspect of RvR to be held sacred and in some cases heap scorn on others that prefer the other types of PvP available in DAoC. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. I love the epic battles in DAoC when we can get them (zerg vs zerg if you like). Its like being able to take part in some war movie and feeling the excitement, especially if its a relic raid. I really enjoy FG combat and solo or duo. I don't really care. If I'm on the frontier I'm fair game under any circumstance and so long as enemy players accept that they are also fair game under any circumstance then all is well. Its only when people become loudly precious about their preferred style that heated discussion ensues.

Its like this:

Go out. Kill or be killed. Accept it won't always (possibly even rarely) be a completely fair or even fight. Don't like that? Don't log on or go PvE and do it somewhere safe. Accept that no PvP encounter in DAoC will ever be exactly even...this is not breaking news. Aliens did not come all the way from the Andromeda galaxy to tell us this. We already know this and have known it a loooong time now.

Most players (all?) are looking for an edge, an advantage over their enemies. That means some will stick to a zerg, some will min/max and ubertwink, some will only run opted groups etc etc. Each player looks to give their toon that extra something edge, even if its only their belief that their skills are better than an opponent. Rarely if ever will a full group *not* smear a duo. Even those that argue they don't will have times they do - maybe they had a bad day at school or work, maybe their GF dumped them (or has a puncture ) and they feel mean so some unlucky person just gets in the way and gets steamrollered. Its silly for people to take some moral highground in a gaming environment which is set up for one thing and one thing only:

Kill the enemy. Kill them any which way you can.

Then come back and do it again.

So accept zergs kill fg's, fg's kill duos/solos and just get on with it. I've rarely, if ever, witnessed a completely fair fight, but some of the skill is choosing when, where and how to fight (no, please don't waste anyone's time with pointless duelling circle comments, any reader will clearly understand I don't mean this but everyone has an agenda ).

Lastly...population problems are not the result of one subset of the players, please those that are flinging mud at someone that doesn't play their way just stop this, its rather silly.

 

[Thorwyn]

If you don't leave others alone, you shouldn't ask to be left alone. If you don't respect others you shouldn't ask anyone to respect you. You shouldn't ask GOA to respect you.

You still don´t see the hipocrisy and the double standards in your arguments, do you?
Again... YOU say that duelling (in circles or not, that´s beside the point here) is RP-farming and that´s bad/lame/unfair/[insert your current definition here]. Then, you say that PvE-ing your ways up to RA whatever is ok and that other people should leave you alone, so you can safely get the RPs for your char, despite the fact that RvR missions are happening in RvR area and the significant difference between PvE and RvR is, that there is a chance to bump into an enemy and die.
Expecting to be respected while farming RPs in a RvR zone is EXACTLY the same thing as duelling. You´re bending the gamedesign (as it is intended) to achieve your personal goals. Duellers are duelling for the competition, you´re RP farming for the RA. This is what you should take into consideration before you´re continuing about duels and how other people should act.

There is no crusade against dueling people here, noone said anything against you till you came out against everyone and GOA for not supporting you when you don't support others and your conduct is abusive.

Me? I never said anything about the entire issue, I´m not into duels and I never participated in a duelling circle. But how on earth can you say that the people in question are not supporting others? What makes you think that the people in those duelling circles are not respecting your playstyle?
And yes, of course the response by GoA purely came from the duellers themselves. Silly rabbits, eh?

Don´t you think it´s about time to take a step back and rethink your argumentative construction?

 

[Esselinithia]

The key difference between /duel
and the duels metioned is the chance to get adds.

You are free to accept that
Or you are free to ask others to respect you
But you can expect respect if you respect others.

I don't mind if I have to start a new assassin mission: I know in RVR it happens. But I know if it happens, and I see the same hib / mid again, and the same alb who just watched, I have a choice:
I get killed while doing my mission. Or I try my best to send them back to their border keep by adding, and I can reach my goals.

Their action made this choice important and this made adding neccessary and without it they wouldn't get adds, so they shouldn't whine about it.

Why? Since it happened because of their decisions.

Gahn: if someone from the way back from assassin mission added on you before anyone would ask him, and the guy you fought agains wasn't someone who harrashed him before, then that guy was obviously wrong. Wrong and stupid, since he knows: You will remember his name, his looks, and will know: If you don't want an add on the way back you have to kill him, and he can't do much more missions. Yes, there are lamers on both sides.

And if you just kill the people who wronged you for no good reason, and people just add when people involved in the fight wronged them for no good reason, then it would work well.

 

[Thorwyn]

The key difference between /duel
and the duels metioned is the chance to get adds

...exactly!
And the key difference between the duels mentioned and PvEing realmpoints is.... Zilch!
Which doesn´t keep you and others from complaining about the duellers, because they´re rp farming. See what I mean? It´s all based on respecting each others playstyle. And if YOU´re expecting to be respected, be ready to return the favour and respect their playstyle. Otherwise you´re just a hipocrite with a holier than thou attitude.

 

[Esselinithia]

Roo: The biggest problem when people who are soloer and say others shouldn't add, add on fights of others who haven't done anything against them.

People will have ideas about what they can expect from you, and they will react based on that. If you aren't happy, you might ask: Why they reacted this way?

I was an easy target? My best defence is a strong payback, and next time maybe it won't happen.
They are doing this payback thing, and it hurts badly? Lets make sure next time they won't have to do it...
They are doing it because my opponent and doing payback against him? Though luck, I will except ads when I fight this guy next time...
They are doing it because they think red is dead? I can look after them and try to avoid them.
They are doing it because I am at a wrong keep and they want to take it, or take a relic? Warn people on /as,

And this way you can keep yourself mostly safe and happy.

 

[Esselinithia]

...exactly!
And the key difference between the duels mentioned and PvEing realmpoints is.... Zilch!

Most PVE people doesn't start to go against soloers. Why? Because we want PVE fights and not PVP, not even if we win easily. (Givf harder dragons! Some hard ML raids too!) We never said, if you want to solo you should go away from this area since we have a mission here.

But we said: if you farm other people because you can, you should expect payback and stronger people (including GMs) farming you.

If you don't farm other people? Good for you.

Who cares how much RP you have? I have what I need for healing.

But if you use the advantages to get upper hand when farming PVE people and destroying the fun of others they will care about it, and if you moan because the payback hurts, and because GOA people join the payback team? Though luck, next time be more careful.

 

[Thorwyn]

Amazing... you´re still missing my point because you seem to be completely entangled in your arguments and assumptions like Frodo in his cocoon after getting puked on by good old Shelob.
Are you denying that you have written dozends of postings, in which you´re stating that duelling/duel-circles is/are against the CoC because it´s RP farming?

May I help your memory a bit:

1st: You are free to use /duels if you want, we have a system for dueling. It doesn't give RP because organized fights, and fights where you don't fight for your realm but just for fun, shouldn't give any RP rewards. Dueling rings are a way to earn RP (some extra rewards you don't deserve) in duels.

Now again.. what exactly is the difference to PvE RP farming?

 

[Dard]

Roo: The biggest problem when people who are soloer and say others shouldn't add, add on fights of others who haven't done anything against them.

Sorry, thats rubbish, anyone who really wants to solo & become known as such is NOT going to go around adding & zerging other people, it defies logic.

 

[Cromcruaich]

I'm afraid Dard is right, that was a bit of rubbish Ess. You are often guilty of simply writting sentences that on the face of it appear resonable but dont actually represent the truth.

 

[Esselinithia]

How many soloers you seen adding on some fights?

Some spoke about people who added because someone is an op caster.

Some seen adds because adding against scouts doesn't count...

Some seen adds because...

Sadly it happens quite often

 

[Shike]

How many soloers you seen adding on some fights?

Some spoke about people who added because someone is an op caster.

Some seen adds because adding against scouts doesn't count...

Some seen adds because...

Sadly it happens quite often

idiot, seriosly..

You know why your shizzles come forth as pure bullshit? Because you speak of what you dont know anything about.

IF you was a soloer you would already know all the answers to all your idiotic statements and theories YOU think makes sense. You yourself add on 1on1 and even on 1on4's aswell, you have done this versus me while I have never even touched you.

Cant believe people can be arsed to actually waste time arguing with you while you only is interested in putting forth your ridicilous theories that makes no sense at all usually. Sometimes you do make sense but.. seriosly, usually you dont make any sense at all since your constructions isnt based on logic with fair play as a mindset. Your constructions is made of what you want it to be and your logic fails, time and time again, everywhere. I could rip your statements and flawed arguments apart piece by piece with pages of posts like you try to wear down people with the pure lenghts of your posts but tbh, I cant be arsed since you most likely dont give a shit anyway about anything else but your own constructed theories based on a zerglings mindset who tries and justify his choice of playstyle for some obscure reason. Just be what you are and be happy with that, nobody hates you for it.

 

[Cromcruaich]

How many soloers you seen adding on some fights?

Some spoke about people who added because someone is an op caster.

Some seen adds because adding against scouts doesn't count...

Some seen adds because...

Sadly it happens quite often

Lets start from scratch, is there any circumstance where you would respect 2 people having a fight?

 

[Dard]

Am i the only one switching between wanting to head butt my desk one minute then laughing out loud the next :england:

 

[Cromcruaich]

Am i the only one switching between wanting to head butt my desk one minute then laughing out loud the next :england:

My forehead has a keyboard imprint on it.

 

[Xmi]

This thread seems to have been highjacked a little... ho hum

Anyway back on track...

Good luck Requiel and thanks for taking the time to post here, your efforts were very much appreciated, especially by those of us who remember what it was like before you appeared on the scene. Sounds like you have an interesting future ahead of you with the new post, good luck with that!

 

[Cromcruaich]

This thread seems to have been highjacked a little... ho hum

Anyway back on track...

Good luck Requiel and thanks for taking the time to post here, your efforts were very much appreciated, especially by those of us who remember what it was like before you appeared on the scene. Sounds like you have an interesting future ahead of you with the new post, good luck with that!

Not so much hijacked as moved on as these things tend to do - infact as requiel no longer has anything to do with DAOC as part of his job, I dont think there is any harm in it going off on a tangent. He could of course post here in his status as a DAOC player as opposed to a DAOC gm - now that would be interesting.

 

[Esselinithia]

Lets start from scratch, is there any circumstance where you would respect 2 people having a fight?

Yes. If they respect my PVE fights

Mutual respect works.

Claiming an area as their own solo land where other people has legitimate bussiness and harasshing, attacking, etc. them won't work, and will end up in people going back and crashing the fights of this two people.

So demanding exlusive access to places and disrespecting others won't work and will result in getting more adds.

 

[Esselinithia]

You yourself add on 1on1 and even on 1on4's aswell, you have done this versus me while I have never even touched you.

Interesting, since I haven't played on dyvet for more than a year, haven't rvred except when friends dragged me to rvr, or when I done missions (at off hours to avoid trafic) so I know one thing about you.

Why? Because you have shit in place of your brain.
You can't name a solid reason to support your argument but throw stupid insults, flame, moan, whine, lie

And this essentially proves the point: you are a lieing abusive and arogant moron who gives and deserves no respect. So people adding on YOUR fight do the right thing.

And people who judge 1v1 scene after the likes of you since the likes of you are vocal and visible have perfectly valid reason to crash all your fights even with the help of GMs, because your behavior which is harmful to the game.

Sadly they can hurt a few other people too, but I have to admit, if they support you here, they make a mistake. Why? People who get wronged or hurt by you or the likes of you will assume they are assholes like you.

After all they sided with you because one like them. And if one like them is an agressive arogant liar who destroy the fun for others, then people can feel: they don't have respect the likes of them and they should attack them, add on their fights etc.

Which is a good reason for adding, and I can unerstand Awarkle now.

 

[Imgormiel]

Not so much hijacked as moved on as these things tend to do - infact as requiel no longer has anything to do with DAOC as part of his job, I dont think there is any harm in it going off on a tangent. He could of course post here in his status as a DAOC player as opposed to a DAOC gm - now that would be interesting.

and unlikely to happen, as Requiel likes his privacy as much as the next person likes his pint of beer

 

[Xmi]

Not so much hijacked as moved on as these things tend to do - infact as requiel no longer has anything to do with DAOC as part of his job, I dont think there is any harm in it going off on a tangent. He could of course post here in his status as a DAOC player as opposed to a DAOC gm - now that would be interesting.

No it has been hijacked, what does duelling/solo fights/adding and all the other game trivia that has been bought up here have to do with Requiel leaving? Absolutely nothing whatsoever! And to call it "moving on" just underpins the laziness of posters, what's wrong with a new thread for this stuff? Come on mods, earn your elevated titles and sort this off-topic toot out, it's making the place look untidy

 

[Reignfire]

Mister, you are in the group of arrogant agressive abusive antisocial clueless morons. Why?

Because noone said which group you belong to.
But I told you how you can draw the lines between these groups to make sure we can discuss things.

You haven't made any better guideline, you don't know any, because you don't think.

But flame and make abusive posts.
This behaviour alone places you in the group of arrogant agressive abusive abusive clueless morons.

Would you want to join other groups by making intelligent posts?

Lol you call me antisocial, abusive,clueless? You said as a soloer and FG player I seek to be superior? I asked who what right have you to categorise me when you dont even KNOW me or why I soloer or prefer Fg v FG..

I am not the one posting shit about if a player does this he is this type person or if he does that he is that type person Mr Sigmund Freud wannabe.

And as to me not trying to make the community better, all I see from you is ramming the 'YOU MUST HELP EVERY1 THAT IS NEW AS AND WHEN THEY WANT OR WE YOU ARE A SOLOER THIS GAME WASNT DESIGNED FOR YOU' campaign down everyones throat.

Being clueless? Damn if i am clueless then you must be either blind or ignorant maybe both if you havent as yet grasp what people are telling you in their replies to your posts.

Arrogant? In what respect am I arrogant? I am not the one telling people how a person HAS to play. I have nowhere pressumed that I am the best at anything. Care to explain? Or are you just throwing the first words around like you do when you make your clueless theories about dueling circles?

 

[Shike]

Interesting, since I haven't played on dyvet for more than a year, haven't rvred except when friends dragged me to rvr, or when I done missions (at off hours to avoid trafic) so I know one thing about you.

It was a long time ago since I saw you last time yes. I havent played much on Dyvet last year at all because of a heavy lack of time mostly. Yes, very interesting... you dont even know what Toon Ive played when Ive had your sorry ass adding on me and yet you claim you know something about me? From FH?? lol

Why? Because you have shit in place of your brain.
You can't name a solid reason to support your argument but throw stupid insults, flame, moan, whine, lie

Ahhh, so you can resort down to insults and such too, congrats Solid reasons for you beeing a zergling that pretend to be more worth than that? Dude, that aint needed. A turd is a turd even in silkpaper, end of story. And it so happens to be that I like insults and flaming and such, I've done the same since old barrysworld... You know.. before you even touched the game or knew what it was.

And this essentially proves the point: you are a lieing abusive and arogant moron who gives and deserves no respect. So people adding on YOUR fight do the right thing.

OOOhh... here it comes, let it all out, makes you feel better doesnt it? Now just admit that you are a zerging fool too and its perfect. And you are an idiot because of one single thing actually, you judge people from a forum, I mean.. LOL! How stupid are you, really? Are you this pigshitthick ingame too? If you are then I feel sorry for the people around you :>

And people who judge 1v1 scene after the likes of you since the likes of you are vocal and visible have perfectly valid reason to crash all your fights even with the help of GMs, because your behavior which is harmful to the game.

And here we go again, judging peoples ingameactions and behavious after how they do on a forum... you are dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb and even dumber than that. IDIOT, learn one thing, people do one thing ingame, then they often go and do another on internet on irc, a third thing on MSN, a fourth thing on FH.. You assume that we all do the very same everywhere and that shows how little you know about anything at all, aka, nothing, as I already stated. You live in a little box of theory based on a fkin roleplayerserver, you know nothing about soloers or soloing and you are a turd with very little intelligence, grats!

Sadly they can hurt a few other people too, but I have to admit, if they support you here, they make a mistake. Why? People who get wronged or hurt by you or the likes of you will assume they are assholes like you.

Awww... who support who? ingame? really.. idiot. THIS IS FH=FORUM=NOT INGAME, IDIOT!

After all they sided with you because one like them. And if one like them is an agressive arogant liar who destroy the fun for others, then people can feel: they don't have respect the likes of them and they should attack them, add on their fights etc.

Who sided with what?? Hell I hardly play Dyvet and I mainly run with my guildgroup on Limors.. what the fuck are u on about? What exactly am I lieing about? When you throw around accusations like that you better back it up dude.. show me where Ive lied or you are the liar here. Yes, me and my mighty army of.. nightshades or blademasters etc run over albion and destroy peoples fun everywhere, BEHOLD, the mighty Shike's in town, hold your fun tightly or I'll steal it.. haha, how fucking pathetic are you.. just do us all a favour and delete your FHaccount and stop bothering to persuade people that your jibberish is close to relevant in any way. Your bias shines miles away and your idiocty even further.

Which is a good reason for adding, and I can unerstand Awarkle now.

Feel free to add, whenever you like. lol..

And awarkle used to be a nice chap, for some weird reason his brain turned into dogshit and he stopped thinking. Hes a former GMs lapdog and cries for help when he got killed.. id actually say that hes as pathetic as you are, perhaps even worse since hes an idiot ingame, you are just a muppet here on a silly forum.

 

[Gahn]

Interesting, since I haven't played on dyvet for more than a year, haven't rvred except when friends dragged me to rvr, or when I done missions (at off hours to avoid trafic) so I know one thing about you.

Why? Because you have shit in place of your brain.
You can't name a solid reason to support your argument but throw stupid insults, flame, moan, whine, lie

And this essentially proves the point: you are a lieing abusive and arogant moron who gives and deserves no respect. So people adding on YOUR fight do the right thing.

And people who judge 1v1 scene after the likes of you since the likes of you are vocal and visible have perfectly valid reason to crash all your fights even with the help of GMs, because your behavior which is harmful to the game.

Sadly they can hurt a few other people too, but I have to admit, if they support you here, they make a mistake. Why? People who get wronged or hurt by you or the likes of you will assume they are assholes like you.

After all they sided with you because one like them. And if one like them is an agressive arogant liar who destroy the fun for others, then people can feel: they don't have respect the likes of them and they should attack them, add on their fights etc.

Which is a good reason for adding, and I can unerstand Awarkle now.

I hardly ever read such ton of shit in years of FH, and this just demonstrate how bitter u are cause u never had the chance to get in the RvR scene and u are full of prejudices and, generally speaking, full of shit.
Go PvE and don't pretend to spit bs about the health of a community or a server. At this point i'd really like to see the core of the pvp hardcore guilds back on Dyvet for 3 months running a bg per realm every night kicking the shit out of u and the likes of u from server. Just to let u taste what does it mean being griefed.

 

[Shike]

cookie Gahn?

 

[Esselinithia]

It is pretty hard to see me as adding, since the minstrel you see in my FH name wasn't used for years, and if you look for its RP statistic you could see that it is pretty much impossible to claim repeatedly adding with it, in many scnarions and have these stats. /hint: no RvR presence at all/

Again: you can check my clerics stats, but you probably don't even know the name, and you can guess how likely it is to add with that cleric, again the facts prove you wrong.

You are a liar, and nothing more.