Changes at Goa

[Everz]

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

still bitter cos you got your ass handed to you when you added.

 

[anioal]

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

1. 99% is a big exageration, only a few select are abusing when added on duels. If one is abusing you, no matter the reason, then REPORT him. If you or others did that, abusing from those individuals would be non existent now.
But you/others didnt filled a report. you added, you got abused, you added even more, you got abused even more and so on and so forth. The end result was you developed a pavlovian reflex: duels=abuse which is utterly wrong.

2. you say some dueling circles bring a buffbot. personaly i never seen that, but again, instead of condoning every duel circles, only the individual accounts involved in that should be punished.

3. most of the peoples in those circles indeed pick their fights. you are free to accept a fight or to ignore the one that is /bow or /beckon at you.
it is a matter of choice as much as is a matter of choice for a fg to add on a ongoing fg fight or to attack another fg that is recovering after a fight.

what you and others dont get is the fact this duels are NOT organised. i go out on the hill near crau t4 and wait. some alb/mid might get in the same area and have a fight. one will release and most of the time will come back for a rematch. in the meantime some other might come there to watch a fight or to have a fight and things build up in time.

"rp powerleveling or rp farming". rofl
i wish some decent grp to invite you in a bridge/tower farm so you can learn what rp farming really means.

 

[Esselinithia]

Besides, I can create a dueling ring, with agreements, buffbots, and everything, and yet, GOA won't do anything about it. Not even if people report that they seen a dueling ring, not even if a GM comes by. And also I won't see any adds, and people won't have to run back to the dueling ring. They can pick fights one after other, we can make videos, and even publish them on web sites. And yet GOA wouldn't do nothing.

And yes, this all on dyvet. Do you want to hear the trick?















Use the /duel command
and form a dueling ring where you can duel with champions of your realm, at some capital cities, add a few other contests and competitions and make it a nice RP event. If you notify the GMs in time, and they like the idea they might even help with organizing it.

 

[Esselinithia]

About the TT incident: Giving up a relic won't make hibs, etc. happy. In fact it makes your own casual players happy. How can you make the game more living again? By motivating and helping casual players and newbies instead of just farming them when they go out to enjoy the endgame.

If you use /who 1-40 often, and try to contact people who level the old way, and if they are friendly, you add them to friends list, help them once in a while, when they hit 50 you take them out to RvR, help them with MLs, show them how to use the new RAs in RvR, let them form team, intruduce them to friends, etc. and make sure they can get groups that can help.

If you write about the game on forums, offer people help on their trial, etc. and help them, that can help to fix the population problem. If you roll some new hibs to level with these people, etc. that can help too.

If you make some events to make sure their leveling experience is less boring, that would help too.

 

[Cromcruaich]

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

Don't you actually know most of these people dueling, they are on the whole honourable players who have been in game for years under various characters. Havent you talked to some of them and got to know them? I certainly have.

Dueling ISNT RP farming, face it, its the truth - people primarily do it because they want a fair fight, which you are determined to piss all over and ruin there enjoyment of the game. If these people want to duel then let them, what do you want to do here, do you want to force them to add on everything, do you not respect the way they want to play the game? Or would you rather abuse your position to ensure those people play like you, or are forced to quit the game because of your petty and small mindedness.

There is nothing wrong with people telling others to please not add on their duel - nothing what so ever - if its abusive then they should be handed out a ban.

Dont insult people you are supposed to support as an E&E as well, its childish. You should be a person who the community looks up to and respects, but youve become a bit of a joke recently. You are a shame to the E&E program and should step down.

 

[Sollers]

About the TT incident: Giving up a relic won't make hibs, etc. happy. In fact it makes your own casual players happy. How can you make the game more living again? By motivating and helping casual players and newbies instead of just farming them when they go out to enjoy the endgame..

Let me remind you again that it had nothing to do with the relic itself, we never cared for relics and never will, they were simply a means to show the people of the other realms that we felt for them and distantiated ourselves from the griefing albion community. Our signal was in fact appreciated by many of the hibs and mids which shows from the numerous support replies people posted in the concerning threads and the tons of PMs we got. So I'm not sure why you say it did not make hibs/mids happy and why it made 'my own casual player' (whatever that may be) happy instead.

If you use /who 1-40 often, and try to contact people who level the old way, and if they are friendly, you add them to friends list, help them once in a while, when they hit 50 you take them out to RvR, help them with MLs, show them how to use the new RAs in RvR, let them form team, intruduce them to friends, etc. and make sure they can get groups that can help.

If you write about the game on forums, offer people help on their trial, etc. and help them, that can help to fix the population problem. If you roll some new hibs to level with these people, etc. that can help too.

If you make some events to make sure their leveling experience is less boring, that would help too.

In my opinion, it should not be the main concern for people in the advanced levels/realmranks to help out the new players. Sure they can help out the new players, but I think it is GoA that should promote the game so that new players actually have new players to play and discover the game with. There are nice options for experienced players to help out the new ones like listing themselves as advisor, or even rolling alts to level with a new player, but you can't expect a person, who invested alot of time and effort in reaching the highest level ingame with the best armour available in order to compete in the rvr system, to reroll and start all over again just to help out the new players.

 

[Takitothemacs]

You are a shame to the E&E program and should step down.

My thoughts precisely... the E&E program is not about being a self appointed snitch, community policing idiot which Awarkle has become...

Mind you lest we forget that it was this self same E&E who was responsible for crashing emain when animists were released.... funny how the worm has turned into a snake.

 

[Dard]

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

You really need to stop talking out of your arse, its posts like this that prove you really know fuck all about this game & prove people like you should be let no-where the E&E programme.

Your so full of yourself its unbelieveable.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

You really need to stop talking out of your arse, its posts like this that prove you really know fuck all about this game & prove people like you should be let no-where the E&E programme.

Your so full of yourself its unbelieveable.

kettle pot etc.

 

[Cromcruaich]

kettle pot etc.

I take it you are fully behind the actions taken regarding the dueling circles - you see I have to guess because all you made was a trite and cliched comment. Perhaps you could actually voice an opinion on the subject matter of the discussion thread?

I don't mind one liners, as long as they show a bit of inventiveness or wit, even if they are taking the piss out of people I know and like, but unfortunately you've fallen woefully short here.

 

[Mey]

Those who play with fire get burned. Let me remind you who runs this game, GOA and their appointed staff (The GM's). And like in high school when the big kid told you, you couldn't play with the rest of the kids because you smelled funny so can the GM's.

Stop dictating the Rules to the people who fucking wrote the bastards. Idoits.

 

[swords]

Rules were made to be broken, fight the power!

 

[Esselinithia]

Sorry, had a typo, the correct thing: it made your casual players unhappy.

You undestood the rest. And about what you SHOULD do is one thing. What you CAN do if you want to see improvement is another thing.

Breaking the rules and ruining the game for others isn't something that would improve anything.

 

[Gahn]

Good to see the so called democrats ppl dictating playstyle to the so called leet ppl. Turn the tables!!

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

Pile of bullshit, they simply drop out and let the other soloer kill the add, tuff shit if u can't get your easy rps eh?

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

Even more bullshit, been there and never witnessed such a thing.

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

Top bullshit and u win the prize, all the lower rr fight IF they beckon higher rr, none high rr will chain kill a lower rr.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Dc rounds are near tower and when there's no rvr activity in Hib, so u can go your fucking way and let em be, if u go out your route it is you who wanna do it, it's not that it happens in middle of a bridge between 2 iRVR Keeps.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.
and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

Obviously winning a 1 vs 1 without 6 peeps backing u up 7 vs 1 is too complex for ya, hence the moan.
Learn to play properly imo, about time after 4 years of Daoc.

 

[Rigga Mortice]

Idoits.

Indeed

 

[Ctuchik]

Goa better improve @ warhammer.
Dont give us some bs ot lag 24/7.
Dont make up a rule "spirit of the game" and ban people whenever you disagree with their playstyle.

lol, that was almost funny.. does that include radaring and macro crafting to? its a "playstyle" to....

 

[Sollers]

Sorry, had a typo, the correct thing: it made your casual players unhappy.

You undestood the rest. And about what you SHOULD do is one thing. What you CAN do if you want to see improvement is another thing.

Breaking the rules and ruining the game for others isn't something that would improve anything.

Ahh, well as I explained in my previous post I don't think we made the 'casual' player unhappy, not even the albs whose relic was in danger.

And there is a difference in 'can' and 'should' yes, I agree. If you are a person that does all what you 'can' do to improve life on the server I take my hat off to you.

Final point again, and I'll make this my last post as we do not seem to understand eachother anyway The rules (sotg) were interpreted by the GMs in such a way that allowed us to be banned, therefore it is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

Anyway, this was rly my last

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Erm.... Where did the last 4 posts go?
There are a few replies missing...

 

[Conway]

Erm.... Where did the last 4 posts go?
There are a few replies missing...

Maybe when you hit 200 posts on a thread it goes into auto delete mode.

Since this has turned into the post my personal grievance thread, I would like to tell everyone exactly what a terrible unforgivable thing Requiel did to me...

On the other hand, it was ages ago, I have a sense of proportion, none of you would understand why it was important, and it might even give people a laugh, so probably totally out of place here. If twenty people message me begging and offering free drinks I may let you in on the dark secret.

Oddly enough, all the complaints make me feel Requiel actually did a decent job. (Except for what he did to me of course, which was terrible, unforgivable... etc etc) The point being that the issue wasn't whether GOA made the decisions on rules, or the community made them. It was whether GOA made the rules or a subset of heavy rvr players made them. There are several disagreeing factions even amongst heavy rvr players who post here, and they would come up with very different sets of rules. There are also equally important paying customers who only play a few hours a week, approach rvr on a much more casual basis, and do not post here. Requiel had to take all those customers into consideration, mutter something about why do I do this job, and make a decision.

If anything the lesson of it all seemed to be to make the rules and code of conduct totally clear up front. And I see there is a thread about changes to the code of conduct trying to do that. Good idea, but I bet it takes a few attempts to get something that no one can pick holes in.

Now getting back to the terrible unforgivable thing Requiel did to me....

 

[Thadius]

Maybe when you hit 200 posts on a thread it goes into auto delete mode.

Since this has turned into the post my personal grievance thread, I would like to tell everyone exactly what a terrible unforgivable thing Requiel did to me...

On the other hand, it was ages ago, I have a sense of proportion, none of you would understand why it was important, and it might even give people a laugh, so probably totally out of place here. If twenty people message me begging and offering free drinks I may let you in on the dark secret.

Oddly enough, all the complaints make me feel Requiel actually did a decent job. (Except for what he did to me of course, which was terrible, unforgivable... etc etc) The point being that the issue wasn't whether GOA made the decisions on rules, or the community made them. It was whether GOA made the rules or a subset of heavy rvr players made them. There are several disagreeing factions even amongst heavy rvr players who post here, and they would come up with very different sets of rules. There are also equally important paying customers who only play a few hours a week, approach rvr on a much more casual basis, and do not post here. Requiel had to take all those customers into consideration, mutter something about why do I do this job, and make a decision.

If anything the lesson of it all seemed to be to make the rules and code of conduct totally clear up front. And I see there is a thread about changes to the code of conduct trying to do that. Good idea, but I bet it takes a few attempts to get something that no one can pick holes in.

Now getting back to the terrible unforgivable thing Requiel did to me....

I bet he told you he was your father!

 

[Conway]

I bet he told you he was your father!

Nah, that wouldn't be terrible. I would gladly replace my parents with just about anyone. uke:

 

[Huntingtons]

(...)
Out of curiousity - I looked at an interview with the WoW community manager. Here's his short brief on what his job involves:
(...)

What people need to remember is for some of the incidents which made you all moan - others couldn't give a crap about. Also, someone mentioned the database corruption event as a point of negativity. I don't know how it was handled on pryd.net but in general Req. handled it very well, he took the flames, posted a lot of handy info on forums he doesn't have to even look at and restored items on characters himself (which I doubt is a frickin' requirement of his intial signing as a community manager).

Ohh and I assume Gamah has made some funnies but you're ignored fella so grow up

IF requiel doenst check the forums he's doing a piss poor job - its not a benefit he's giving us, he's doing it to benefit themselves... if we wanted the forum we'd rightnow them and they'd answer us - to make it easier for themselves they post on forums to avoid alot of rightnows to be processed... posting on a community forum is a way to relieve the presure on their rightnow site instead.

@ requiel

about the official forum part:
what if the community doesnt settle at 1 or 5 forums, but lets say 50-100 small forums, or maybe none? how will you then keep the communication with community, espeically when Europe is such a multi-language area.

 

[Esselinithia]

In WoW, the Community Managers, the GMs, some support representatives are different people, at GOA Iam not so sure about it

 

[Dallas]

wtb requiel account, pm me

 

[echome]

Best of luck Xalin and Req.
See you on the EU WAR sever.

 

[megadave]

bye

 

[Cromcruaich]

In WoW, the Community Managers, the GMs, some support representatives are different people, at GOA Iam not so sure about it

Aye I think this has been the root of the problems. People spread too thin.

And re other posters, my major problem putting aside one offs - TT incident, reponse to server lag, Spawning guards on duelers, DB corruption - is simply failure to push and address community day to day issue, poor communication, and actually very little input into the day to day life on the server (organising events, chating to people, being present on raids, being available in game for bug reporting). You know, its that day to day stuff that you'd expect from a community manager that I never (or hardly ever) saw happening.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Erm.... Where did the last 4 posts go?
There are a few replies missing...

that'd be the off topic flaming...

 

[Raven]

Aye I think this has been the root of the problems. People spread too thin.

And re other posters, my major problem putting aside one offs - TT incident, reponse to server lag, Spawning guards on duelers, DB corruption - is simply failure to push and address community day to day issue, poor communication, and actually very little input into the day to day life on the server (organising events, chating to people, being present on raids, being available in game for bug reporting). You know, its that day to day stuff that you'd expect from a community manager that I never (or hardly ever) saw happening.

To be fair Req did help out on an ML9 raid once when one of the steps was bugged and i remember one of them coming on a Garla raid ages ago, took the form of a mob and role played a bit, was funny, even joined our guild for a few minutes

Over the last couple of years it really has gone to pot though, i don't think this is the direct result of the GMs i think it has come from above, GOA as a company really aren't interested in the community.

Everyone makes mistakes, its a shame Reqs last action as a GM was to alienate an entire section of the community (the soloers)

Anyway i guess the morons have won, only problem is, what will they do now they cant get cheap RPs from ruining solo fights? assassin quests?

 

[Esselinithia]

And re other posters, my major problem putting aside one offs - TT incident, reponse to server lag, Spawning guards on duelers, DB corruption - is simply failure to push and address community day to day issue, poor communication, and actually very little input into the day to day life on the server (organising events, chating to people, being present on raids, being available in game for bug reporting). You know, its that day to day stuff that you'd expect from a community manager that I never (or hardly ever) saw happening.

I think GOA has to make though choices now. Let me explain why? GOA sees that some of the big guilds on dyvet no are casual guilds, and they can help newbies, new players can join their ranks, etc.

Dyvet is the only cluster where there is significant conflict between different scenes, and it results in flaming, people leaving, etc. and from the events GOA has reasons to think: this casual scene is important. Before this, they favored some other (more hardcore players) but it only made things worse, so they have to focus on keeping these people now. They have rights to ban people for the reason: GOA thinks they hurt their interests or interests of the game. Spawning guards, placing back relics, etc. are all normal.

When GOA has to get these people back, and get newbies with them, and get people to support newbies, even at the expense of hurting other subcommunities and they might think it is important to break dominance of these leet crews, then both TT incident and the breaking up of dueling circles serve a solid purpose. If this is the case, you can understand all the recent questionable decisions from Requiel.

And you might add: if these people flame against casuals, etc. who support these decisions might lead to even bigger steps taken by GOA. You can point to the recent changes to CoC.

You might even add: Several people are happy with the changes, speak about it with friends, and it might help GOA to get back a lot of people, and support the new people if (and when) they advertise.

The question is: Is the so called solo, fg and irvr scene willing to cooperate with casuals and help newbies to level, so they help the recovery effort? Or they say: "we don't have to do it, and we can do our best to hurt and destroy the game for them". The later kind of responses can result in more and more harsh action from GOA and can pretty much destroy these scenes and communities.

Everyone can decide: if they want to cooperate and help the server to recover. Or care about their own small scene at expense of each other, and destroy the game around themself.

In the former case they have a good place on dyvet.
In the later case: If they are left alone they are homeless because they kill the cluster, if they aren't, they are homeless because of suspensions, goa steping in to stop them, etc. so whatver GOA does they lose nothing. And it justifies even the most severe steps on part of GOA.

And the most severe step is: Terminating the accounts of these people just because GOA thinks their conduct is acuatally harmful.

But for efficient work to fix problems GOA would need more Community Managers, some different GM crew, and would also need some volunteers, etc.