Changes at Goa

[noaim]

I dont understand. If there are small invisible changes being made towards helping the server, why the hell are noone informing about them? And about the goal? And dont give the bs about not wanting to say we will do X then it wont be possible, since you obviously would not have done those small changes if you wasnt sure it would work in the end.

 

[Flimgoblin]

This says all about the professional and unbiased work of our lovely GMs. Intervention in favour of players who can't get it their way for the win.

He's almost certainly got Censi's MSN as well.

All the E&E/Volunteers have GMs on MSN so that we can point out when encounters go titsup (I got spammed to death back in the heyday of ToA it's not fun alt-tabbing out in RvR to get an ML raid sorted), or when people are breaking the rules.

I'd post some long waffle about how people were breaking the CoC (not "cheating" though as some would say) and how that incident in particular was all so happily spun entirely different ways on the RvR forum thread until it was actually a solo level 10 noob out walking his dog in Sauvage and not a dueling circle at all but there's no point debating with some of you people.

 

[dub]

the E&E system alone tells you what you need to know about their take on support

 

[Congax]

I'd post some long waffle about how people were breaking the CoC (not "cheating" though as some would say) snip

I doubt many of us denied that it actually was breaking the CoC, it's more of the fact that the rules can be bended sometimes. A judge uses him common sense to sentence people aswell, if he'd had to always follow the rules - things would get fucked up.

 

[Jupiter]

Reading the posts regarding the amount of people that wont be playing WAR-EU just goes to show what a royal fuck up GOA is....

Designer of the Titanic: This ship will never sink........
Captain of the Titanic: This ship will never sink, what fucking iceberg?!

Something about doors, hitting things and way out spring to mind

 

[Flimgoblin]

the E&E system alone tells you what you need to know about their take on support

The original purpose of E&E/Volunteers was to get feedback from fellow players and pass it back to GOA (which still happens btw, we have internal E&E boards and "gifv Dyvet solution info" is the number one issue), plus be an /advisor of sorts (help out new players or people with queries).

However come ToA with its ever so slightly bugridden encounters we were also used as a "shortcut" for stuff that needed a faster response than a RightNow email (and also able to contact the GMs while they weren't in work...)

People not liking RightNow is the main reason we have the GMs' MSNs

 

[Nate]

Bye req

It's a bit of a shame we will never have another post from a GOA member of staff here, the Friday news is seriously all we get that speaks to the community now and that sure as hell isn't enough.

 

[Esselinithia]

I doubt many of us denied that it actually was breaking the CoC, it's more of the fact that the rules can be bended sometimes. A judge uses him common sense to sentence people aswell, if he'd had to always follow the rules - things would get fucked up.

Congax: The problem is simple. I won't name the few names, you know who they are. As long as you duel sometimes I don't care and I won't care. Your fun, and I don't think that more RP, etc. would make you bigger. When some people think they are above the rules, they can break rules at will, tell when GM can react, and flame people for saying thse rules protect them and should be respected.

Dueling alone, as long as you don't do it for any unfair advantage, when you see it as an easier and faster way to get RP than the normal way and start to build on it, and prepare for it, that is cheating.

Also when you break the rules and place yourself above others, try to limit others chances and build extra chances for you, by claiming zones, using any force, abuse, etc, and you get any unfair advantage over others this way.

The later doesn't alway happen on the site of the ring, this time it was mostly visible on the forum, by the same people. And their goal with abuse is to gain superiority or advantage over others.

While dueling (alone) isn't cheating, abuse with intent of getting unfair advantage / privilegies is a different story.

 

[Esselinithia]

The page also listed running events as volunteer duties, no?

 

[Succi]

Free subs are for tight or lazy gits, as soon as they run out so do those players. Oh and its shit business sense.

I dunno where you studied business

hint : giving a free trial to an addictive-progression based game is the opposite to what you said

 

[Congax]

Congax: The problem is simple. I won't name the few names, you know who they are. As long as you duel sometimes I don't care and I won't care. Your fun, and I don't think that more RP, etc. would make you bigger. When some people think they are above the rules, they can break rules at will, tell when GM can react, and flame people for saying thse rules protect them and should be respected.

I'm one of those people. I don't think that I'm above the rules, neither am I saying they can be broken, I'm saying they can be bended. A GM can't be flawless and his reaction was completely off the hook in this case. I haven't flamed anyone anywhere either so I don't know where you're getting that from.

Dueling alone, as long as you don't do it for any unfair advantage, when you see it as an easier and faster way to get RP than the normal way and start to build on it, and prepare for it, that is cheating.

No dueler wants to get RP faster. How the hell would one get faster RP for dueling? If I want RP, I'll just F8+combat mode. And no, it's not cheating. If it was cheating, I'd be banned by now along with many others.

Also when you break the rules and place yourself above others, try to limit others chances and build extra chances for you, by claiming zones, using any force, abuse, etc, and you get any unfair advantage over others this way.

The later doesn't alway happen on the site of the ring, this time it was mostly visible on the forum, by the same people. And their goal with abuse is to gain superiority or advantage over others.

Naturally it are the same people - it are those few who actually still intent to solo and who also happen to meet eachother and give fair fights. Not with the goal to gain superiority or advantage over others - this would really nullify the point of soloing. Might aswell zerg along then.

While dueling (alone) isn't cheating, abuse with intent of getting unfair advantage / privilegies is a different story.

None of which happened. You seem quick to judge but slow to learn. I'll leave it to this because this is in no way relevant to Requiel quitting.

 

[Infanity]

FOTM QUITTER. Gms got nerfed and he cant take it, Just like a warclok!

Nah, Only messing this guy has been really helpfull. Good luck mate ;]

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

He's almost certainly got Censi's MSN as well.

All the E&E/Volunteers have GMs on MSN so that we can point out when encounters go titsup (I got spammed to death back in the heyday of ToA it's not fun alt-tabbing out in RvR to get an ML raid sorted), or when people are breaking the rules.

I'd post some long waffle about how people were breaking the CoC (not "cheating" though as some would say) and how that incident in particular was all so happily spun entirely different ways on the RvR forum thread until it was actually a solo level 10 noob out walking his dog in Sauvage and not a dueling circle at all but there's no point debating with some of you people.

Flim, I wasn't even there. I witnessed something similar shut down by Taryx with the same argumentation. I came to Crauchon area with my Armsman, saw bunch of Hibs and a few Mids and maybe two Albs, saw CM (replace CM with any other guild or Donkeh and his friends) coming in, they got killed by those few Hibs and Mids while Albs watched, shortly after a GM came and he told the Hibs to kill Mids and Albs.

In that whole process I had maybe one fight where someone used /beckon or /bow and I neither cheated nor did I break any rules.

It's my choice when I want to PvP by porting to NF, it's my choice where I go to and it's my choice of who I fight and when.

If Requiel or some of his E&E's wants to play a different way, more power to them, I am not abusing anyone for joining on "my" fights in game (the supposed "anti-social behaviour") but if one E&E (and I think you said Awarkle is one) has the right to gank inferior numbers but as soon as he faces superior ones (regardless of what they are doing) and dies he has the right to ask a GM to hand out warnings/suspesions/spawning guards the whole system is more corrupt than I thought and needs to be removed.

Add recent rumors about Dyvet's future from E&E's side and the secretive behaviour of the officials to that and one can see easily that those E&E's Requiel was thanking are not up to the task. How could they? They are (immature) amateurs calling for GM powers when their avatars lose in RvR.

 

[Congax]

Spot on Manisch, one of the few times where I'll agree with you. Sherish (sp) the moment!

 

[necromania]

Good luck in Future Req, we didnt allways agree on stuff, but oh well that happens..

cant say Gl to xalin tho


Thanks for the 2 years Req!


/Necromania

 

[Bahumat]

Goodbye Requiel and Xalin, thanks for all the help

Does this mean you'll only post on your "normal" freddyshouse account? Was kinda hoping you'd mess up again...

 

[Coldbeard]

Well, if this is not a clear signal of GoA's discontinuation of DAoC UK and to the english speaking community then I don't know what is. We have been waiting for good news for quite some time now, then to get news like this spells disaster, but I guess this is just a small piece in the greater tragedy.

You honestly can't expect us not to be concerned about the two GMs majorly responsible for interacting with the community stepping down should not be any reason for concern. Personally I've already given up the hope, but I guess there are others out there more patient, even though most people's patience has been well strecthed already.

Generally I thank you (Xalin too, but he's been from as active here as you) for your long service to the community, even though it's my opinion that you've not always made the best calls, especially the things lately will not add nicely to your reputation.

 

[Flimgoblin]

If Requiel or some of his E&E's wants to play a different way, more power to them, I am not abusing anyone for joining on "my" fights in game (the supposed "anti-social behaviour") but if one E&E (and I think you said Awarkle is one) has the right to gank inferior numbers but as soon as he faces superior ones (regardless of what they are doing) and dies he has the right to ask a GM to hand out warnings/suspesions/spawning guards the whole system is more corrupt than I thought and needs to be removed.

I completely agree.

Which is why it's a good thing E&E don't get any special treatment and don't have any rights to ask GMs to hand out warnings/suspensions/whatever.

If a normal player sent a RightNow saying people were dueling at DC they'd get the same response (namely a GM watching for a while then taking appropriate action).

 

[Jiggs]

This thread would have been far more amusing if no one had replied!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Agendas. Heh.

Some of the replies on this thread make me ashamed to be a part of this community. (Please hold off the obvious reply to that sentence.)

If people go back they'll find that I have quite loudly thrown some nasty stuff at GOA in the past. I'll still say when the various people that we contact through do good, I'm not afraid to say when they mess up. I'll make my mistakes and at times make a fool of myself and at other times maybe get something right.

But goddamn some people cannot throw away their own pettiness to simply wish folks well for the future.

And thats all this thread should have been.

 

[rampant]

some stuff...

roo this thread isnt a goodbye thread from req- its a statment of the direction that GOA are now adopting - people have the right to vent their frustration and anger at GOA.

 

[noaim]

I completely agree.

Which is why it's a good thing E&E don't get any special treatment and don't have any rights to ask GMs to hand out warnings/suspensions/whatever.

If a normal player sent a RightNow saying people were dueling at DC they'd get the same response (namely a GM watching for a while then taking appropriate action).

Tell that to Rjendug who got his suspension increased for telling an E&E to fuck off on irc.

 

[Cromcruaich]

cu in WAR, oh hang on no, i'll be playing WAR on US because of the disasterous way you handled the community for which you we're responsible as an English Server Community Manager

I do however wish your replacement the best of luck, and dont envy them the inheritance you have left him/her with.

All I can say after my negativity above is that the new community manager will receive my full support and trust, and I hope everyone else feels the same, and that they will consider this a 'clean slate' with respect to the previous issues the cluster has had.

 

[Cromcruaich]

I'll make my mistakes and at times make a fool of myself and at other times maybe get something right.

And what do you do when you make your mistakes and make a fool of yourself...?

 

[Cromcruaich]

Ah I see, so more of a probation period. May look into it.

Well its a 6month contract - if you are young and want the experience and the adventure of moving to france then I think its a good opportunity, especially if you love gaming and want a career in the industry.

However, dont go into it blinkered - the balance of probability is that that job wont exist after a year, certainly if nothing else, as soon as war hits there will be no Community Manager job.

Things could work out though - there should be jobs coming up in WAR over time to which you could be moved - but I wouldnt gamble a mortgage on it.

 

[Everz]

hey look, its daoc uk m8z

 

[Tip]

goodbye.

And may I suggest to you Requiel to roll a char on the german servers and see how GMs handle things there? I'm sure it will provide you with tons of useful tips on how not to fuck up your server which in turn will aid you in your upcoming Warhammer project.

oh, and I better hope the new GM has a good plan to fix Dyvet cause even though you two bailed out, it don't mean the mess you created disappears with you.

SHUT UP!

if you havent got anything nice to say then say nothing at all

drivveling whingebag!

 

[Cromcruaich]

SHUT UP!

if you havent got anything nice to say then say nothing at all

drivveling whingebag!

Right back atcha.

 

[Dukat]

hey look, its daoc uk m8z

its just not DAoC without some rvr whine!

 

[Cracked]

Requiel, plz tell me that WAR, both US and EU servers, will be patched simultanious(spelling?)? This will be the diffrence where we end up playing.