Changes at Goa

[Gahn]

What a wanker post.

Why the fuck has Req. done badly in his role? No doubt his bound to secrecy for some things (no doubt re: the situaiton with the cluster) and no doubt his made mistakes but how in sweet fuck does that equate to him doing 'terribly in his role.'

Req. has had MORE than overfilled his role.

As for your advice - what a load of shit. Never have I seen a time when Req. has not been honest and open to his customers. In some cases, his too fuckin honest - which leads to shitbags flaming him for every god-damn thing. I've never seen him assume his customers are stupid, as warranted by his long posts and constant dedication to the community (even on a forum he doesn't need to be on). I could attack the other points but I see no point.

There's those people who bid farewell and say that they haven't agreed with decisions made by Req. etc., and there's those that spout crap like yourself.

What a pile of bs, u made me smile tho xD
I think u should have a deeper insight of why there's this grudge between Takits and Requiel before speaking.
And knowing for how lonk Takit shielded Goa's actions during the Prydwen incident whilest pushing for a quicker and different solution with Goa as an E&E.
So pls stfu meanwhile.

 

[Bugz]

What a pile of bs, u made me smile tho xD
I think u should have a deeper insight of why there's this grudge between Takits and Requiel before speaking.
And knowing for how lonk Takit shielded Goa's actions during the Prydwen incident whilest pushing for a quicker and different solution with Goa as an E&E.
So pls stfu meanwhile.

I don't give a shit who Takits is so I don't give a shit about his 'insights' or his life.

If you spout such things on a public forum, you will get public responses.

So get off your high-horse.

 

[Takitothemacs]

I don't give a shit who Takits is so I don't give a shit about his 'insights' or his life.

If you spout such things on a public forum, you will get public responses.

So get off your high-horse.

Would that be the same high horse as you are on?

Have a cookie!

 

[Genedril]

What a wanker post.

Why the fuck has Req. done badly in his role? No doubt his bound to secrecy for some things (no doubt re: the situaiton with the cluster) and no doubt his made mistakes but how in sweet fuck does that equate to him doing 'terribly in his role.'

Req. has had MORE than overfilled his role.

As for your advice - what a load of shit. Never have I seen a time when Req. has not been honest and open to his customers. In some cases, his too fuckin honest - which leads to shitbags flaming him for every god-damn thing. I've never seen him assume his customers are stupid, as warranted by his long posts and constant dedication to the community (even on a forum he doesn't need to be on). I could attack the other points but I see no point.

There's those people who bid farewell and say that they haven't agreed with decisions made by Req. etc., and there's those that spout crap like yourself.

Some might say that the posts here would indicate that Req hasn't performed that well in his role. Yes there are people that will always whine no matter what you do, but some of the responses here are a bit more cohesive than 'FFS you n00b Req, why banzor me???!!'.

Taks wasn't spouting crap he was giving his view point after a lot of time spent on the server & a fair amount of time spent working closely with GOA while on the E&E program.

Not sure how you can talk about Taks being on a high horse while spouting off like that - maybe you were just a little saddle sore.

Anyway.......

Good luck in the future Xalin & Req. Some stuff you did was great, some wasn't. That's the nature of the beast & I hope we didn't scar you for life. No matter what mistakes you may have made along the way I don't think you deserved some of the abuse you got as shit slinging isn't constructive for any side (no matter how much better you think it makes you feel at the time).

 

[Gahn]

I don't give a shit who Takits is so I don't give a shit about his 'insights' or his life.

If you spout such things on a public forum, you will get public responses.

So get off your high-horse.

Speaks about high horses the one spitting bs without knowing fuck all? K!!

 

[Cromcruaich]

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Mmm, where should we start, well how about the database corruption event? Go have a look back at the prydwen.net threads to assess how it was handled.

What would your expectations be for someone fulfulling the role of community manager? For me it would be management of the community, and I really don't think that has been fulfulled satisfactorily, however I actually think thats because internally Req has had a lot of responsibilities that fall outside of that 'community management' role.

On the lowest level, putting the corruption event, and the ongoing SotG stuff and all that entails with an overbearing and devicive touch being applied, along with some other minor mishaps aside, very little has happened on the English server. And no action equates in my mind to a job poorly done.

Recruitment drives have been too late and none existant, there has been blatant lies about the health of the server, there has been very poor information in general coming from the GM's. And most importantly, from day to day, there presence on the server appears at least to be nonexistant over the last couple of years. So the expectation is that you wont get help should you want it because of failed encouters etc.

Like I say, I suspect the job is mistitled as 'Community Manager'.

 

[Tip]

If I feel I, and with me a whole community are wronged, I will speak up. It's that simple. If that's too much for you go watch sesamestreet.

Now that made me laugh believe it or not the community is what WE make it, now if people decide to bail and run off to other servers, those people are actually failing there own community, no one is responsible but OURSELFS, now if people pulled there finger out of there arses, stoped all the blame crap and get over it, and pulled together back on the English servers then it might just work, guilds leaving etc, yes your points have been proved, yes a few mistakes have been made by all, now save your OWN server or watch it die.
From a business point of view you would be lucky to get a European server on WAR with how we act as a community.

 

[Gamah]

I'll be playing WAR in euro due to sev playing it there

 

[Cromcruaich]

Now that made me laugh believe it or not the community is what WE make it, now if people decide to bail and run off to other servers, those people are actually failing there own community, no one is responsible but OURSELFS, now if people pulled there finger out of there arses, stoped all the blame crap and get over it, and pulled together back on the English servers then it might just work, guilds leaving etc, yes your points have been proved, yes a few mistakes have been made by all, now save your OWN server or watch it die.
From a business point of view you would be lucky to get a European server on WAR with how we act as a community.

Re the last point - quite a lot of people wouldnt be bothered as they are going US anyhow after there experience of how GoA have run DAOC. Which is a seperate issue really from Req and Xal going. We all remember the atrocious lag problems which took weeks and weeks to sort, after the support machine maintaining for a good portion of that time that there werent any problems to address.

On the initial points, well overall I agree, but that because I tried Avalon, and because the GG pretty much feel through after years of me (and others ofc) keeping it patched up and working I decided it wasnt working. Also I missed the whole community thing - knowing what guilds were who, what guilds hated which other guilds, which people were adders, which were member of gg's, which characters posted what on FH etc etc etc - however, TT have a functioning GG out there, so all that community thing aside - I fully understand why they want to play on Avalon - as fg play is the most fun you can have on the game. Maybe you should try it

 

[Conway]

Good luck for the future Xalin, my only real contact with you was when you assisted Conway. I know you were under stress, and Conway must have seemed very nutty, but you were polite and helpful.

Moving from DAOC to be community manager on the major new project WAR sounds like congratulations are in order for Requiel. He has been the man in the flameproof suit and specially thickened skin, where every word he said was analyzed and criticised, and needing the wisdom of Solomon to make decisions where whatever he did would deeply offend one side or the other. I can understand that Requiel no longer felt able to do the farewell nostaligic post he had always imagined. I think that is sad. Like many players, he is leaving and his good memories of DAOC have been soured.

My condolences to those still playing Duvet. They will no longer have a GOA employee willing to read and post on the forums because the people about to wear Requiel's shoes have seen that instead of discussion they get personal abuse and hate campaigns. This is not good because it ends a lot of communication. I can't blame them for chickening out, because I wouldn't fancy it myself. The majority of people either merely read the forums, or post reasonably expressing their views, but there are a few vocal ones that have to punch the referee every time he comes on the pitch because he once disallowed their goal. They feel strongly about something, and they react without considering the long term damage they are doing to the very thing they care about. On several previous occasions GOA reps have withdrawn from the forums because of bad behaviour and eventually a brave one has come back, I doubt that will happen this time though.

I think its a shame that there will be no official forums for WAR. I can see that after experiences here the company makes that decision to save money and aggro, but official forums would provide a lot of useful communication for the players and I believe would avoid a lot of the problems that happened on Duvet. Yes, official company forums for a game retailed as 12+ would have to be regulated for legal reasons. Language and content would have to be suitable for 12+ but that does not prevent people freely expressing options, and a lot of players would like somewhere to go for information on raids that does not involve lots of aggro. An official forum would not prevent there being unofficial forums as well for those who really need to flame, and it would be a valuable information source.

If there are an equivalent to E&E in WAR, I think the key is to make 110% you chose the right people. In DAOC I saw a lot of ones who put in a lot of effort to help the community and were pure gold. I also saw the odd one that got a bit carried away and tried to use the position to threaten or for personal advantage, and I saw the odd one doing it purely for ego. Always a giveaway when they still claim to be E&E in their sig years after quitting.

 

[Bugz]

Speaks about high horses the one spitting bs without knowing fuck all? K!!

Oh yes - because the whole community revolves around the few incidents that have caused the most uproar on these forums (namely TT incident etc.). This is not the case. Personally I didn't give much of a toss about it, same with the dueling circles, which another person brought up about.

I've had run-ins with Req, being a ToA-whore for a good couple of years made that possible. I've had him choose decisions which I think are totally fuckin whack and I dispised - but I don't come on here throwing my toys out of the pram.

Out of curiousity - I looked at an interview with the WoW community manager. Here's his short brief on what his job involves:

I spend much of my time gathering feedback through reading forums, emails and websites, making sure to stay on top of important matters in the community. Another big portion of my time goes into staying on top of information inside the company.

My main responsibilities include having to know virtually everything that happens in the player community, keeping the other teams informed about both the good and the bad, and highlighting important concerns. Furthermore, I need to stay updated on all things that might affect the community both on a short- and long-term basis and participate in planning and coordinating any communication about these. It’s also important to be very visible to the players, to show that we’re listening and that we’re on the same team.

No doubt - DAoC being a mmorpg, has about the same job overview for community manager as WoW. I've underlined the bits Req. has achieved - now tell me he has been a terrible community manager tbh.

The last bit perhaps has been fucked about with - re: the visibility to the player and show we're all part of the same time. The rest of that quote is internal affairs which I imagine Req. cannot discuss.

What people need to remember is for some of the incidents which made you all moan - others couldn't give a crap about. Also, someone mentioned the database corruption event as a point of negativity. I don't know how it was handled on pryd.net but in general Req. handled it very well, he took the flames, posted a lot of handy info on forums he doesn't have to even look at and restored items on characters himself (which I doubt is a frickin' requirement of his intial signing as a community manager).

Ohh and I assume Gamah has made some funnies but you're ignored fella so grow up

 

[Gamah]

I did no such thing. Another whiney bitch who can't take the heat but refuses to get out the kitchen, you and Manish should get married.

But yes omg I got "owned" because another kid ignored me on a forum :<

 

[Cromcruaich]

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Bugz, read your post, those highlight youve underlined are something that you havent got a clue whether or not theyve been done successfully. Add on top of that that its vital that whatever information is gathered, that its acted upon - thats the missing link - action and response.

There have been very few organised events, tardy news updates, news updates that have ommited the key issues players are facing, no significant action on population problems, often very poor communications.

I'm prepared to accept that the comm manager job had a lot of other responsibilities that meant they couldnt devote as much time to interacting with the community, supporting it, generating interesting events, providing quick and responsive feed back, being available to resolve issues at the point of occurence, engaging with individual community members in a positive open and friendly way, pushing hard for fixes that concerned the community (XML), pushing for more regular news and news events, coming up with promotional events for the english cluster etc etc etc, but that aside, by what measure do you judge their time in the role a success? Maybe in a other sense they have had successes - such as recently the patch rollouts have gone well, but within the definition of a job described as 'Community Management' I dont think the performance has been successful by any measure.

 

[Gahn]

Oh yes - because the whole community revolves around the few incidents that have caused the most uproar on these forums (namely TT incident etc.). This is not the case. Personally I didn't give much of a toss about it, same with the dueling circles, which another person brought up about.

I've had run-ins with Req, being a ToA-whore for a good couple of years made that possible. I've had him choose decisions which I think are totally fuckin whack and I dispised - but I don't come on here throwing my toys out of the pram.

Just a few bits for u.
1st go back and look at my farewell post to Requiel, baring in mind that i was one of the more fervent criticist about how he handled the possible community breaking (in my opinion ofc) incidents that we faced in these years.
2nd U are contraddicting yourselves since u couldn't give a shit about some things that EFFECTIVELY lead the population problems to a MAJOR population problem (u could always retreat in denial about it), so i'd suggest next time u give a deeply review of what's is worth giving a shit or not.
3rd No1 ever criticized Requiel on how he and other GMs handled TOA 1st wave of problems (even if i still find 1 German GM on line at any given night of week at least, thing that didn't ever happen on Uk Cluster, nor even at start of Toa for what i can remember, and trust me i've been on my fair share of raids).
Now try to take a breath, alienate yourself a bit from the Goa shielding, think about these things and tell me, who was right when a certain part of Community told Requiel that some in game behaviour was driving away peeps from game? Who was right when a certain part of Community told Requiel that handling TT incident was a bad mistake? Who was right when a certain part of Community told Requiel that a serious company can't have knee jerks reactions when the line of no return is crossed and need to talk and involve his paying customers?
This is Community Management, resetting Toa Encounters it's another pair of hands.

 

[AngelHeal]

its unfair though, we have to pay to play, and req got payed to play

 

[necromania]

Fgs Flim. less editing my post.. thought it was allowed to say the truth on Fh

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

People are human, and we make mistakes.
Companies are made up of people, hence, companies make mistakes.
Overall I don't think requiel did too bad. Ofcourse there have been some actions I didn't agree with, but well...
Considering the Pryd crash... a quick cheap total server reset, or a long expensive tedious effort to recreate people's inventory... I'd rather have the latter one. I can't imagine having to recreate and re-level all my toons. Also, it gets tiresome that that issue is being brought up again and again...

Overall, the decisions made by the GM's are also largely based on the time necessary. For instance, I've had this issue with the mob at ML5.2 not giving credit. Goa's response was: "...We cannot grant encounter credit however, to some degree we have to rely on the game mechanics as they are implemented...".
That sucked for me and my group, but on the other hand, if they granted me that credit, they'd have to grant everyone where an encounter failed credit, and that would take a lot of time. Time they can't spend on other issues...

Overall Goa hosted a game, with relatively short patchtimes, and low downtimes.
Good luck with whatever you're going to do Xalin, and good luck with your Warhammer function Requiel.

 

[Bahumat]

I bet Requiel's looking at this post and thinking "yes, i dont have to reply to this shitty posts ever again!"

 

[Dard]

People are human, and we make mistakes.
Companies are made up of people, hence, companies make mistakes.
Overall I don't think requiel did too bad. Ofcourse there have been some actions I didn't agree with, but well...
Considering the Pryd crash... a quick cheap total server reset, or a long expensive tedious effort to recreate people's inventory... I'd rather have the latter one. I can't imagine having to recreate and re-level all my toons. Also, it gets tiresome that that issue is being brought up again and again...

Overall, the decisions made by the GM's are also largely based on the time necessary. For instance, I've had this issue with the mob at ML5.2 not giving credit. Goa's response was: "...We cannot grant encounter credit however, to some degree we have to rely on the game mechanics as they are implemented...".
That sucked for me and my group, but on the other hand, if they granted me that credit, they'd have to grant everyone where an encounter failed credit, and that would take a lot of time. Time they can't spend on other issues...
Overall Goa hosted a game, with relatively short patchtimes, and low downtimes.
Good luck with whatever you're going to do Xalin, and good luck with your Warhammer function Requiel.

Do you really believe that ? My attitude is if i've done it right i should get my reward, fair enough if i'm not doing the encounter as it should be done, but if i do it correctly i want my cookie, i dont give a stuff who's time it takes up.

With regards to the database thing, i really dont think they had any other option, if they had reset the server & everyone lost everything, no one would be playing now, but i'm pretty sure that even when that happened (the crash) & the community expressed concern we where told it wasnt that big a problem.

Final thought .. now GoA arent going to be represented on FH can we go back to having some good old GoA bashing sessions without fear of threads being locked ? :kissit:

 

[Sollers]

Now that made me laugh believe it or not the community is what WE make it, now if people decide to bail and run off to other servers, those people are actually failing there own community, no one is responsible but OURSELFS, now if people pulled there finger out of there arses, stoped all the blame crap and get over it, and pulled together back on the English servers then it might just work, guilds leaving etc, yes your points have been proved, yes a few mistakes have been made by all, now save your OWN server or watch it die.
From a business point of view you would be lucky to get a European server on WAR with how we act as a community.

'We' create the community yes, I agree. Though, we're not the only creators of this community, rules are set in which bounds the community must grow its way. Then we have GMs to act as a kind of police to make sure all stays within its limits. In the case of Dyvet we at one point had a minority of the community single handedly griefing other players and because the rules (SotG) were so extremely vague, and the GMs completely misjudged the situation, they simply got away with it This was reason for people not to log in anymore. When then a guild (yes, which happens to be mine and no I'm not putting myself in the spotlights) made a stand for the community of the server as a whole, those same vague SotG rules were bent in such a way that the people that actually tried to mend the community were slapped on the wrist and banned. The result of this was that even more players, and not only FG people, decided to leave the english community.

As to saving my 'own' server which I find a noble idea and I shared your very thought some time ago, Í personally do not think I can be bothered. I took distance of the dyvet community the second I got banned, not because of the ban itself but because it was a crystal clear indication that our GMs shaped our community in such a way that two of the three realms were continually griefed by a certain group of players of one realm. Such (albion)community would never get my support so I decided to quit. Even after many players left because of the 'TT-incident', which in my opinion was one of the strongest signals our GMs could have gotten that the community was extremele displeased by how matters were handled, the GMs did nothing to improve the situation and even worsened it recently in the 'duelling-incident'. I do therefore still agree with you when you say that 'we' create community, but it is not without the help of rules and regulations and the people upholding/interpreting them. Moreover, I think it is safe to say the griefing community, obviously supported by the GMs, 'made' many of 'us' as well..... leave the server that is.

 

[Esselinithia]

Sollers: I think players create the community, but GOA sets the lines and provide many things for it.

When the game was designed, Mythic knew, community is important in a such game, and provided some strong tools to maintain community. Alliances, claimed structures, etc. and of course shared goals for the whole realm: Keeps, DF, Relics. After this, they expanded this, with several features in Foundations and New Frontiers. Later we seen Guild Merit Points, realm missions and more.

It was clear, that for the survival of the game we need to think a realm is a community and members of the realm respect each other. There were many albs who would like to fight to defend that relic, and fight with the normal defenses in mind. There were other people who took the relic, put effort in it, and would like to enjoy the benefits.

How much respect is when a realm mate, who is in same company, decides that his own ideas are more important than respecting these people? How much respect it is when they have no chance to use their own resources to defend? But it isn't only about albs. How much respect it is towards the people who want to take it in a fair fight?

What TT done is to stop other people directly, and by force when they wanted to enjoy the game. If you think your ideas can be forced on others and you can stop others from having fun, you should accept the fact it can be done against you by other people including GOA and GOA can help them.

What would you say, if the zerg people who wanted the relic would decide to stick to your group and add on all of your fights whenever they can, and no matter where you go you would get a few adds because they think FG is harmful and it makes it good to destroy your fun by force? Would you like it? I think that would be the time where your best chance would be GOA, like it was for others in TT incident.

That decision by GOA was fair.

People are free to run FG, but not free to stop others from adding.

PEople are free to solo / duo, but not free to stop others from adding.

People are free to add, but not free to stop others from running FGs or solo / duo fights entirely by using force, threats, demands, etc.

As long as all such teams are in a community and respect each other it is fair, when you make eaxtra effort to hurt others, etc. you might make many players unhappy, and if it continues they will leave and it makes population problem grow. As soon as you do it, GOA has to act, and if it is a choice between losing you, or losing someone who didn't and doesn't abuse (so might be compatibile with new players) it is clear what GOA should do.

Elitism, PL, etc. hurt the game, if you hurt the casual players who still fight for their realm, would love to defend the relic, have their endgame, and they leave and new players will see noone to group with because you are elitisit, rude and abusive, that is end of game.

GOA said in its rules: They are free to ban you if they believe you pose a such risk to the game or their interests. Without any further proof, without any other justification from CoC, if they see this threat you go.

From this perspective 5 day ban is fair (you could get far longer ban), even if you see it as harsh.

 

[Lorgeil]

This is a hard post for me to make and no doubt people will analyse and deconstruct it to the nth degree. There are no hidden meanings, you don't need to read between the lines or extrapolate from my actual words. What you read here is how it is and I'm going to try and be as plain and forthright as it's possible to be.

There are quite a few changes happening in Goa at the moment related to our expansion and some of these are happening within the English GM team. Xalin is leaving this week to take up a position with another company and we wish him well with that. I will be leaving to be the community manager for WAR. My last day on the DAoC project will be this Wednesday.

I appreciate that many people might assume that bodes badly for DAoC and that we are abandoning a sinking ship but I want to assure you that is not the case. A lot of experienced and valuable people are still looking after DAoC. Taryx will remain, and we have just today hired a new DAoC English GM who will no doubt introduce himself to you as soon as he's settled in. All your ingame problems and RightNow queries will continue to be answered just as fast as they always have (within 24hrs and mostly sooner before the resident comedians pick up on that). All in all I'm confident that the game and the community are being left in very good hands. The staff staying to look after DAoC are passionate about the game and will work hard for you. You may also have noted the job advert in the last Friday News as well.

One thing will change and that is there will be less direct contact through forums such as this one. That doesn't mean that we are cutting ourselves off from the community though. You will still be able to talk directly to a GM on the server or to ask general questions, make comments etc through RightNow and the team will continue to monitor forums even if they don't post. That part of the job was something I did because I personally felt that it was important to be active within the community and it was something I actually enjoyed despite the unbelievable levels of personal abuse it attracted. The new team aren't willing to put themselves through that wringer at the moment and I can't say I entirely blame them. In time someone may step up to don the fireproof suit and specially thickened skin. Make their time here worthwhile and you will be rewarded for it.

Other things aren't slated to change very much from your point of view as our customers. The technical teams who are dealing with the game, the servers and issues such as the low population servers are staying in place so work on that and the regular patch schedule won't be interrupted. The same general staffing levels will be maintained overall so there will be no reduction in service or our commitment to the game.

For myself I had always imagined that when the time came for me to move on, I'd make a long and indulgent post where I'd hark back on my favourite memories and thank a bunch of people for all their help over the years. That doesn't seem appropriate at present and so I'm just going to say that it's been a privilege to do this job for the last three years and I wish all of you the very best in this game or wherever you are at present. If you show up in WAR then I hope you'll enjoy that as much as I'll enjoy working with you all. Finally I want to make a special mention of thanks to all our E&Es past and present. Every single one of you made my job easier even when you didn't agree with what I was saying. Even those of you who parted ways with us did a good job to the end and I want to thank you for that.

Goodbye and my best wishes to you all.

Well to be onest i dont wish you well and daim i realy dont hope to see you in war... Good daim i shame i didnt knew your char when i played DAoC, Couse then you would have been my primare target...

 

[Reignfire]

One thing that annoys me most is the fact that they are stopping Duels. They claim that its rp farming, thats just a load of BS. If people who claim it is RP Farming actually stops and pay attention sometimes the fight doesnt even finish, on occassions when the fight is too onesided some people stop. The amount someone makes for a whole night duelling Just isnt that much (between 2k and 20k (If on a very good night) for 3hrs) compare that to people that runs with the zergs and FGs they get more RPs.

In OF there was duelling going on every now and again and there wasnt any complaint but for some reason over the last year or so its been dubbed against the SoTG?

All these rules seems to be coming out of nowhere and as someone stated before there are lots of inconsistencies.

I just hope the next couple of GMs we get are a little more laid back and let the game flow more instead of getting involved in every small detail.

 

[Dard]

Sollers: I think players create the community, but GOA sets the lines and provide many things for it. & lots of other stuff

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The players dont create the community, the players are the community, GoA shouldnt set any line's (rules) other than the policing of the servers with regards to cheating (hacks).

You want to remember GoA by there own admission only host the game in europe, its not there game to mess around with yet time & time again they have got involved when they really had no need to.

If its abuse for adding (or not adding) some twat will call for a ban (& maybe someone will be banned) when all is needed is a quite word to the abuser to stop & instruction to the abusee how to use the /ignore command.

Emote spamming .. turn the bloody things off.

The TT incident, similair incidents have happened in Euro in the past with no repercussion's, the exact same thing has happened, very recently infact on the US servers, no action taken there. Now if the owners & designers of the game dont think its a problem, what right do GoA have to ban people for it ?

Duelling circles, some people enjoy it, it can have a place in the game if its not RP farming & if its not rp farming then whats the problem ? just because an E&E gets a strop on about it it gets stopped, just a few people having fun .. NOT cheating .. its a game after all.

& finally, your posts are too long & your sig is offensive.

 

[Sollers]

How much respect is when a realm mate, who is in same company, decides that his own ideas are more important than respecting these people? How much respect it is when they have no chance to use their own resources to defend? But it isn't only about albs. How much respect it is towards the people who want to take it in a fair fight?

What TT done is to stop other people directly, and by force when they wanted to enjoy the game. If you think your ideas can be forced on others and you can stop others from having fun, you should accept the fact it can be done against you by other people including GOA and GOA can help them.

What would you say, if the zerg people who wanted the relic would decide to stick to your group and add on all of your fights whenever they can, and no matter where you go you would get a few adds because they think FG is harmful and it makes it good to destroy your fun by force? Would you like it? I think that would be the time where your best chance would be GOA, like it was for others in TT incident.

Well, if you think TT griefed the community more by setting a relic keep to level 1 than the minority of albs griefed the community by continious alarmclocking raiding the two minority realms, then you are probably right and the actions taken by GMs were just. I am happy though that not many players share your views.

And if you hounestly think GoA would ban people who stick FGs to ruin their fights... well, nm

 

[Awarkle]

OK as some people seem dont understand the concept of DUELING circles ill explain it again.

1. 99% of dueling circles have people who when they get added on (because these dueling circles are outside a keep) instantly flame and berate the person who rushed in to add.

2. Some of these dueling ciricles bring along a BUFFBOT so if they die they dont have to run back they instead use the buffbot to rez themselves (aka get rps)

3. Most of these people in dueling circles pick the people they want to duel so when mr rr9 sees a person he cant win he will refuse the duel but hey theres a rr2 wanting a duel ill have that.

IF you want to fight someone 1vs1 and you want a nice fair fight

can i recomend that you DONT go to the bridges to organise this you go somewhere else out of the way BUT dont come crying to me if suddenly your account is banned for rp powerleveling or rp farming.

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

and next time dont just go E&E everyone knows its me who dislikes dueling so much.

 

[Levin]

Well to be onest i dont wish you well and daim i realy dont hope to see you in war... Good daim i shame i didnt knew your char when i played DAoC, Couse then you would have been my primare target...

Such a brilliant post. :worthy:

 

[Sollers]

Obviously daoc's rvr system is too complext for you i would recomend Street Fighter so you wont get adds.

Funny, I always thought RvR/fights became more complex when you don't have adds zerging the shit out of your opponent within 2 seconds.

 

[swords]

^^ What the Dutchy said.

 

[Sorin]

I'l start by saying 1 bad thing can't beat 100 good things.
(Refering to the last duel circle incident)

You have helped many people Requiel, including myself, and i would prefer to jugde you by the many good things you've done rather than one bummer..

So i wish you good luck.

We will never talk again


And to Xalin, My favorite GM..

I can't find the words..

Bye man /cry