Castable stun

[Jeriraa]

I think baseline stun is a good part of that class.

Buncheas? Nah, they dont get stun... even Mythic realized that would be over the top.

 

[remi]

banshes should have had cone stun imo

 

[Jeriraa]

banshes should have had cone stun imo

And healers should be able to call for tactical nuclear strikes.

 

[Pipppi]

its not an abuse and why shouldnt he use? Not like you wouldnt use bl's if u bl tank, or instalifetap/bodydebuff if u were bd

but using sprint vs /stick tanks is abuse?

 

[thaaadi]

banshes should have had cone stun imo

got that one right ;p

 

[Illudian]

Make that 9s stun on a range of 500 or something. Getting stunned and nuked in keep attack is the worst of its form. Its just too easy.

 

[Crocky]

stun & dps interrupt or stun & nearsight. both i win spells vs other casters.

 

[Coldbeard]

It is situational, I feel castable stun on a damage class is not really much of an issue in a fg vs fg fight, it has way much more impact on small grps and solo fighting.

 

[Stallion]

If purge is down stun > all. It that simple. Especially in solo fights. Not that you need it stallion as you abuse DPS debuff to interupt casters in 1vs1 if your losing

dont come here talking shit out your ass.. stil having purge up or down, is 2 different situations.. so dosent change what I wrote before

 

[sphir]

Healers attackspeed debuff has been made non-interrupting. Savage taunt has been changed to a castable spell.

That DPS debuff is still interrupting. And, lo and behold a new class was implemented that not only got a silly high delve baseline nuke and can dish out ridiculous ae damage with no falloff but also has a very long range taunt that interrupts...

LALALA..

bonedancer debuff/lifetap LALALA Warlock LALALA

people can only see other realms being "overpowered" but dont look on their own classes, fucking pathetic wajn wajn! & a LALALA

regards

 

[Celestino]

its fun to see ppl whining about the 9 sec castable stun

Hib is so overpowered they even kill warlocks when they manage to cast before beeing instakilled !

 

[ebenezer]

thread starter must be bored....a poll could be started about every class almost as all have a spell or trait that could be considered powerfull for the people he face
but lets just have some senseless angry discussions

 

[Jeriraa]

LALALA..

bonedancer debuff/lifetap LALALA Warlock LALALA

people can only see other realms being "overpowered" but dont look on their own classes, fucking pathetic wajn wajn! & a LALALA

regards

I didnt call anyone overpowered. I just stated facts you cant seem to see. In one realm debuffs and taunts got changed so they dont interrupt. In one they didnt.

 

[Tallen]

Stop flogging the horse, it died several years ago.

 

[Pipppi]

I didnt call anyone overpowered. I just stated facts you cant seem to see. In one realm debuffs and taunts got changed so they dont interrupt. In one they didnt.

lies, only alb has no 5s instadebuff interupt afaik

and svg had taunt interupt for quite a while before they fixed it

 

[Zoia]

It may be a bit much for solo tanks(with no det like my zerker!), but if i see them first, i'll just charge and that's more unbalanced than baseline stun in a situation like that.
My solo skald don't really have a problem with it. Sometimes, but not often enough for it to be something to complain about.
It shouldn't even be much of a problem, or unbalanced, in groups?
It may seem unbalanced for solo casters from mid and alb, but SMs, warlock, cabbies and sorcs are good enough in other areas.

If anything caster-related needs a nerf, it's ML9 pets!

 

[Flimgoblin]

baseline stun isn't as bad as it used to be - by a long shot - I'd not say remove it though.

Just nerf the nuke damage (across the board)

A smiters stun/nuke nuke isn't quite so irritating as a heat debuffing enchanter after all..

or maybe things like: stun doesn't overwrite a mezz. I'd not say stun is exactly a fun happy happy joy joy ability but it's not ruining the game as much as some other things (e.g. warlocks, bainshees)

 

[bult]

oops i pressed wrong button, im not a hib but pressed yes it ok (for hibbies) :< was gonna press its ok for all

 

[Gear]

No stun at all, it's retarded.

 

[sphir]

I didnt call anyone overpowered. I just stated facts you cant seem to see. In one realm debuffs and taunts got changed so they dont interrupt. In one they didnt.

you dont seem to get the point my friend, its pointless to continue arguing with you.

 

[Phooka]

Sure QQ bout stun.. I qq bout bout sorc mezz range and laiftab cast spd and the ever so handy root... Or maybe thuergs chain stunning pets with uber range aswell, or the cabbie pet stun is very nice too.. I'll cry bout BD , whorelock Spiritmasters for the obvious reasons....

Give us neat range/ laiftab / chainstunning pets like that and ill gladly give up stun..

 

[MaCaBr3]

People tend to forget all the crap a chanter has to do before they can kill someone. Try single tafget stun + debuff + lowest dmg nuke without aug dex 3, even casters can survive trough it.

Where AOE mezz + high dmg nuking actually give you more control over all.

I had to hit RR5 before I wa kinda happy with the dmg output on my chanter (ofc I specced moc2 at 4L5 but what the hell)

 

[Corran]

dont come here talking shit out your ass.. stil having purge up or down, is 2 different situations.. so dosent change what I wrote before

So you telling me that all the times i met you one vs one and have gained the advantage (used my qc after you qc stunned and got feedback) you havent used your dps debuff to interupt? Wow, i dunno where the interupt + that lovely icon that screams "Haha you about to die due to a bugged ability" comes from then.

Not saying your a bad player, just saying you dont really need stun with the free wannabe bonedancer ability, and dont deny you use it for that reason as it a known fact you do. But lets just pretend you do it by accident and all is ok. Not like gonna report you for it anyways, same as old asd, just annoying shit to deal with.

And yus having purge up or down is 2 different situations. Purge up = you ok, got a chance to beat you. If you are a caster just hope that you can qc cc else you will lose the advantage to a qc nuke. If your a tank and purge up then it should be pretty easy to win, if you got things to use as interupts while close that 1650 range.

If purge is down your dead anyways.


Only thing that makes stun completely useless is charge, which is a pain in the arse. Good thing is it normally easy to see a tank that charges due to the speed increase so instead of attacking you turn and sprint for 15 seconds then stop and CC them.

And MaCaBr3 - a chanter vs another caster (if they not got a pet ofc) should be quite easy. When you have stunned them and your debuffing them, you should have already ordered your pet to attack them. That way when they qc you that is all they can do unless they moc as pet interupts the rest of the time. Thats why on my theurg I always get a pet up first on casters, it means they can qc CC me all they want, but that all they be doing as then interupts kick in. And yes i agree, a theurg that gets the jump is more powerful then most classes, but it one the only ones that could beat a qc stun caster in most situations.

 

[Gear]

If anything caster-related needs a nerf, it's ML9 pets!

Let's not forget that part too. Probably THE most retarded ML ability, even beats FZ by far, lasts 5 out of 10 mins, which can be improved with spell duration, insta cast as well to make it easy.

And I faxed mythic not to take that field trip in colombia when they were designing toa

 

[Naffets]

And I faxed mythic not to take that field trip in colombia when they were designing toa

They went amsterdam instead

 

[Ame]

Wheres the /nocare option?

Instead can just no vote

 

[Celestino]

[...]theurgists[...] the only ones that could beat a qc stun caster in most situations.

ever heard of nearsight? 1875 mezz range ? chamber instakill ? full specced 1875 range bolts for 800-1000 dam ? bonedancers using twf / zone of unmana or some instalifedrain los games ?
The easiest way to take out qc stun is to send in ur pet(s) coz a chanter can't root or mezz them like all the other classes could and there are enough petclasses running around nowadays

Stun is strong vs casters but its by far not one of the strongest abilities as there are enough ways to counter it ...

@ chanter instarupt whine: mids got 2 instarupts on the bonedancer, a by designed oped class, hibs got 1 instarupt on an otherwise one trick pony class (no super duper lifedrain of death or mezz before u see utility spells)... poor mids

 

[Andrilyn]

Easy change to 'fix' or atleast partial fix 2 classes, Exchange Wiz's Baseline root with Clerics baseline stun.
That's two classes somewhat fixed and seeing as most Hibs seem to defend baseline stun on a spec nuker they would probably not mind it one bit.
Funny that this kind of baseline stun thread keeps popping up every 6 months or something.

And to think us Clerics got nerfed way back because a buffed char with spec nukes (smite) and stun and have some form of melee protection (chain) was overpowered while an Eldritch has specced nukes and is mostlikely buffed and has stun and access to PD (which makes them harder to take down in melee than a chain wearer).
But I guess that stays always the same, the grass is always greener bla bla bla.

 

[Awarkle]

I beleive stun wouldnt be so overpowered if you couldnt outright kill someone with it, IE like mezz it would break at aroudn 50% damage output so you couldnt get the stun nuke nuke nuke situation. Ok i know that casters dont like that but ive had it before when i have been killed before the stun wore off. OK they were high realm ranks and i wasnt spellcrafted to the best quality but still its anoying.

Anywho i dont think hib should loose the stun because as it stands they havnt got any other form of crowd control on their classes unless they specifically spec for it. And if you want crapola cc try the animist aoe / bomber root the one that by the time it actually gets to you your already at the animist

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

stun has it advantages, but so does singel target root. or singel target mezz/snare... its just verry situational..

Stun is so underpowered and that's why you need a Bard to nuke Myrmidon solo'ers down.

QQ...

Stun needs to go, shall get a root or a mezz as replacement. It doesn't break when followed by damage and that's the big joke about it.