Caer Sidi take..... 9 is it?

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**Aligro**

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i have never claimed a drop in my entire career playing this game.. and i have done many raids even before DF existed..
the main reason i do sidi is for the experience to keep me interested in the game.. sure the drops are nice but thats not the main reason i do them. 1 drop i'm claiming, that's all i want.. not done in the past.. wont do in the future.. it's a one off until i get it
 
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old.LandShark

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Was done openly on one single legion raid, and there were a lot of legion raids tbh.... and I think one dragonraid did it also (aussie->heart of the north).
Anyhow, it's your prerogative, I'm not going to go into any massive flames here. I guess it came over wrong but I was in fact trying to suggest giving yourself two rolls on which item you bid on instead of absolutely pre-claiming it, would generate less objection. I mean, on an item where 9 people are rolling in the lotto, if raid leader rolls twice his chances of winning double, whereas everyone else's decrease from 1 in 9 to 1 in 10, hardly a big deal.
*shrug*
 
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syri

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i mean it loxley... i'll stalk you.... every time you go to emain, i'll be there. whenever you look behind you in odin's, you'll see me... ;)
 
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loxleyhood

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The only reason me and Aligro have begun claiming now is because in this patch we now get more drops and because the drops we want drop hardly ever. So if we claim them it makes praticaly no difference to everyone else. I do believe people over-exagerate about things, as far as epic raids go you have the best chance of getting a drop on a Sidi raid, whether we claim a drop or not.

Both me and Aligro are trying to be very fair with this, and we've spent several hours discussing it. The drops we desire have each dropped once on all the raids, so us claiming will make very very little difference.
 
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loxleyhood

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Originally posted by syri
i mean it loxley... i'll stalk you.... every time you go to emain, i'll be there. whenever you look behind you in odin's, you'll see me... ;)
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np, but can you do it while im stalking Wilddork? :D
 
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**Aligro**

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Originally posted by loxleyhood
me and Aligro have begun claiming
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like i said loxley this is a one off for me.. i'm not greedy..
 
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loxleyhood

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one off for me too, but you can't just do, you have to begin, if you don't begin logicaly you can't do it..............
 
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**Aligro**

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then you should have said "begun a claim" not "begun claiming"
 
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stinkie

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Originally posted by Pin
I second this motion.


And I would also offer my assistance in organising/leading such a raid.
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Will PM you in game Pin and have a chat about this.

Its a shame when greed gets the better of some people it really is, no matter what excuses they use to justify it. there is NO reason to pre-claim a drop, no reason at all.

so far the excuses Ive heard are:

"It costs me money to play" - Name a person who plays DAOC that doesnt spend money playing ???

"The drop rate has increase" - And this allows you to take a drop for yourself why exactly ?

"Well I've never done it before so its ok" - please dont tell me you actualy believe this ?

"Other people do it" - every remember your mummy saying somthing to you about if your mate jumped off a cliff.....


I'm not saying this to try and flame anyone thats just not me. I dont even want either of the drops you have pre-claimed. I just cant honestly believe that you do this and sleep well at night knowing how you have treated your fellow gamers / realm mates.
 
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Tranquil-

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/shrug I'm not bothered by a preclaimed item. It's a stressfull task to run a raid. Aslong as it's not claimed after it has dropped I see no problem with it.

You can make your own raid if you want it yourself(more raids is good for the realm, isn't it?).
 
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[PS]Venom

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Stinkie I'll be willing to help also - not nescessarily due to aligro and loxley claiming drops par se but the fact that I'd like to get involved in organising a sidi raid - and the more I go on the more chance I have of getting something like an Adamant Tether Breaker :D
 
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Yussef

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:sleeping: is all I can say after reading this thread. Are the raid leaders on drugs or something?

The 1.60 droprate is hardly significant, a normal mob has had a slight increase in the droprate, usually 90% of the time it's a staff. The drops you guys want to claim are most likely to drop off a keylord.

"Aligro: oh yeah forgot.. like loxley.. i claim the wrathbound.. please don't whine i worked hard for it i have to pay rl money to pay you know. £1.50 p/h it's either that or have a lag fest at home... do the math... 1.50Xon average 9hours beginning to end = £13.50

£13.50X 8 raids = OMFG £108...... Damnit"

What hard work? It's mainly the pullers who do any effort on Sidi raids, what do you do, yell "Loot to me" and "Stand behind the mob" ? What is hard about that? Upgrade your fucking PC or Internet connection instead of going to a net cafe or something just to host a raid? Then you whine about deserving it when you organise it, if your PC can't cope with it and you're forced to move to a different location to "lead" it, don't blame that on other people.

Loxleyhood:

"The only reason me and Aligro have begun claiming now is because in this patch we now get more drops and because the drops we want drop hardly ever. So if we claim them it makes praticaly no difference to everyone else. I do believe people over-exagerate about things, as far as epic raids go you have the best chance of getting a drop on a Sidi raid, whether we claim a drop or not.

Both me and Aligro are trying to be very fair with this, and we've spent several hours discussing it. The drops we desire have each dropped once on all the raids, so us claiming will make very very little difference."

What planet do you hail from? An item drops rarely, so if you claim it, it hardly effects anyone else hunting that item. If you skipped maths, 1 > 0 . If you're going to start claiming items, do it in 1.61, when keylords drop double perhaps? Even though claiming is lame, as you may have gathered.

For example, I play a Paladin, now if I pre-claim a Paladin BP beforehand, how many happy Paladins do you think there will be? Use the law of averages to earn your item. I've lead GS raids to win a GSSM, I rolled lucky and won, but still have continued to help other people.

Loxleyhood:

"Problem is there are so many different drops in Caer Sidi I could do one hundred raids and not get it "

Actually, keylords drop to a pattern with a slight variation, so you do have a good chance of winning it. Our main Caer Sidi raid leaders: Hrodelbert and Blaen have implemented an attendance modifier system, each full raid you stay for you get a +10 to your random roll for the next raid(s), this can keep raising until you win an item, which will reset the modifier.

Summary: Invest time and reap rewards, don't preclaim and effect other raid members who are making the raid possible for you to get your grubby hands on loot.
 
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Tigerius

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I can live with 1 person preclaiming, 2 seems a bit excessive but oh well. The tradition of preclaiming is fairly 50/50 between accepted and hated across the US too, hardly an argument. Nor is the fact that your drop is a rare one, just makes it worse, especially as you still gladly roll for drops if you don't get it.

I fully agree with his raid = his rules, I however like Pin think there should be a viable option for people who don't accept this (talk to you ingame Pin). That being said though, if you freely choose to do this you also quite loose all claims at saying how much of a pain it is to do so. You said it yourself one does it for the fun of it, even if it's stressful at times.

Lastly I disagree with the notion that there are plenty of reasons for all classes to come under present rules, currently the only Paladin/Armsman sword is preclaimed, the only Mincer sword is preclaimed and Cleric drops mostly suck and are restricted, topped of by a extremely heavy competition in these categories. And I'm sure this applies to other classes.

Finally, where is the Mace that was going up for auction on behalf of the "relic door fund"? I've come to terms with the fact that I have to pay for a drop I won legit but atleast giv auction sometime this year.
 
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Falcore

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Right...

When i did y first legion raid, the first kill on legion in Excal i claimed one of 2 ebops that dropped. i think its fair for a raid leader to claim ONE drop for himself for the work he puts in on MULTIPLE raids, (i did 7 or so legion raids with tiarta in total i think)

I have no problem with Loxley getting a drop

However:

Aligro u have a 2 hand crush, some sort of bracer, and a large shield from sidi already,(plus others which havent appeared on BW to be sold yet) i think wanting to claim another drop is unfair.....let loxley have his anchor he has put the work in for it, but u have had a lot of drops already, and very very nice large shield......

Tig : the drops were sold in game, which is very annoying was on the udnerstnading they would be lottoed on these boards, i dotn like these behind back dealings, if i son boards no one can question it....
 
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-frostor-

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like gunz said
ur raid = ur rules
if u dont agree , don't come(and stop whining)
 
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**Aligro**

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Originally posted by Yussef


What hard work? It's mainly the pullers who do any effort on Sidi raids, what do you do, yell "Loot to me" and "Stand behind the mob" ? What is hard about that? Upgrade your fucking PC or Internet connection instead of going to a net cafe or something just to host a raid? Then you whine about deserving it when you organise it, if your PC can't cope with it and you're forced to move to a different location to "lead" it, don't blame that on other people.

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er.... i am the puller
 
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- Pathfinder -

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Originally posted by loxleyhood
:ROFLMAO:






Wait................... you're not serious are you?
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He's right. Raid leading can be frustrating, especially with zergs over 100 people, but it isn't exactly hard. Organizing is where the true pain lies.

Was going to post something on the claim issue, but TBH, if Excal people accept it, they deserve it. I'm torn between deciding what's worst; raid leaders claiming loot or people actually accepting it :ROFLMAO:
 
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**Aligro**

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Originally posted by Falcore
Right..

Aligro u have a 2 hand crush, some sort of bracer, and a large shield from sidi already,(plus others which havent appeared on BW to be sold yet) i think wanting to claim another drop is unfair.....let loxley have his anchor he has put the work in for it, but u have had a lot of drops already, and very very nice large shield......
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which i earned the same way as anyone else..

i would trade one of them for the sword in a second

don't have a bracer.. sold it for wood
there are 2 drops waiting to be auction here, the Crush Pole.. and the sorc leggings... will i would like payment in wood when i do them. there is'nt a mace like everyone is saying. it was lotto'ed like everything else
 
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old.Ramas

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As with the last raid I claim the Soul Anchor (Scout/Mincer Slasher)
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i claim the wrathbound
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If you must do this could you put the claims clearly in the original invite rather than hidden in the thread. (Go edit it now :) ! )

And could you indicate what the 'wrathbound' is exactly?

I doubt I will be available this saturday - but you need to let people know so they can judge whether your leadership is worth the price. Personally if either were drops suitable for my char, I doubt I would be attending.

Claiming 1 respec stone out of 25 identical stones is one thing. Claiming 2 sidi drops is another thing entirely, and you need to make sure everyone knows what you are doing.
 
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Jiggs

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SS alliance have already shown that with 35+ people you can effectively farm the sidi mobs (i imagine 45/50 and you can get all the way to apoc)

most alliances are more than capable of putting together a raid of that size.

so logical conclusion?

organise a raid within your own alliance and play with a 1 in 40 chance where NO drops are preclaimed, rather than a 1 in 120 chance where some very nice drops are already gone...

i agree with falcor and aussie's pre claims since they both organised plenty of raids and then took one item for themselves.

while loxleyhood might have some claim here, aligro lugging around x number of sidi items looks a bit dubious to me.

anyway i have very little interest in playing in lag hell for several hours while being shouted at by aligro for some remote chance of getting a drop.

toodles :D
 
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Flimgoblin

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I'd organise a sidi raid but someone's always bloody well in there on saturday afternoons *grumbles*

Hurry up and kill Apoc so someone else can have a go ;)
 
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