Bye :)

[censi]

its just pure co-incidence that the handfull of people who endorse the bannings full certified lemons

why cant the lemons understand, that people are quitting the game because of the perma insta counter AC raids.

Its makes the k/t end game meaningless.

 

[eble@work]

It's not a hoax.

I wasn't going to make this public simply cause I don't like to give scum any satisfaction, but now I think Sollars is right. Better to show how MORONIC GOA are being.

First my account was locked out so I asked why, since they didn't bother to email me til after.

Here is my lovely dialog with them after they finally decide to tell me why:

Hello,

We have investigated an incident of griefplay and found your account to be involved. The specifics are:

Character: Asha
Account: *******
Date: 29/11/2006
Details of the offence: Acting in a manner which is clearly against the spirit of the game and against the interests of your realm. We consider this to be grief play. Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedite a retake by an enemy realm.
Consequences for the account: Suspended 5 days.

Taken from the End User License Agreement that you agreed to when you logged into the game.

Appendice 1 - Code of Conduct

Rules of good conduct

Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game. Harassment of another person, insults or remarks intended to hurt another person will not be tolerated.
Of course, we expect our members to express themselves using correct language. Similarly, racist, xenophobic or revisionist remarks, or remarks displaying intolerance of a religious, ideological, philosophical or similar nature will not be accepted.
"Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.
It is forbidden to pretend to be a volunteer, a Gamemaster or a member of the GOA team.
It is forbidden to indulge in hacking (pirating) activities and to encourage others to indulge in them. It is also forbidden to distribute software enabling such activities to be practised, or viruses and other programs or scripts that may harm other users.
The role of volunteers is to help other players (often sacrificing some of their own playing time in the process). We will react particularly strongly to any persecution of or threats made to volunteers, as we will to any such behaviour directed at GOA and the people working for it.
Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.
GOA accommodates servers in three different languages (English, French and German). You can connect to a server using a foreign language, but if you communicate on the main channels, please use the language of the server.

Penalties

GOA reserves the right (at any time and without prior notice) to reduce access to or block an account temporarily or definitively if the user has not respected this Charter, has encouraged another user not to respect the Charter or has caused harm to the user community.

Characters whose names do not respect this Charter may be renamed by GOA. This does not exclude the imposition of other sanctions concerning this particular violation of the Charter.

Article in the General Conditions:

GOA reserves the right to temporarily suspend or definitively terminate your subscription, effective immediately, in the event of:
- insolvability or expiry of your credit card. GOA wishes to point out that your account may be suspended or closed if we are unable to invoice your card if it has expired on the date you renew your subscription,;
- inability of GOA to check or authenticate the information provided at the time of subscription ;
- failure to meet any of your obligations under the present general subscription conditions;
- breach of intellectual property rights; In this respect, you acknowledge that the DAOC game contains elements protected by intellectual property rights and that GOA and/or any other supplier of its content remain the full owners of the relevant contents of the DAOC game and that you do not become the owner of these rights by downloading DAOC or by accessing your Player Account ;
- failure to respect the provisions of the DAOC Behaviour Charter, available to consult at the address http://www.camelot-europe.com.
- and more generally in the event of behaviour that GOA, at its entire discretion, judges harmful to its interests or to those of DAOC users.
In the event of the suspension of your Player Account or in the event of termination of the account by GOA for one of the reasons stated above, you lose the right to access your Player Account and the data contained in it and you will not be entitled to any reimbursement, in whole or in part.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager

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WHAT?

That is total nonsense and you know it. I released a keep held by my guild. That is not a crime. Any guild could have claimed it. I had nothing to do with downgrading it. If I didn't want my guild to hold a relic that I felt was taken by dishonorable means, why is that a crime? Don't I have a right to an opinion? This is a roleplaying game, is it not? You're interfering with a basic part of the game - the players ability to make choices and effect the game world.

My guild has played this game for a long time. We took many relics honorably. I feel it is more out of spirit with the game to act so dishonorably (alarm clock raids) than to release a keep.

The fact that you would ban me for releasing a keep shows how sad this server has become.
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Hello again,
We are not suspending you for simply releasing a keep. We are suspending you for acting in a premeditated way which is contrary to the spirit of the game. You are welcome to your opinions of how the relic was taken and can make your own choice about joining raids like that, you do not have the right however to backstab your entire realm based on those opinions. This is and will continue to be seen as griefplay or crossrealming.



Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
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I did not want MY GUILD holding a relic that had been taken like that. I did not give the enemy the keep. I did not tell them I was releasing or downgrading it. I did not stop any other albion guild from claiming it. How is that cross realming?

You're trying to control something that should be taken care of by the community.

The fact is that we didn't know that keep was going to hold an AC Raided relic.

I guess it's a moot point anyhow since black falcons and I won't be playing daoc anymore. Another guild gone, grats.
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Hello again,
You released the keep to Tedious Ten on the basis that it was going to be downgraded and thereby facilitate an enemy retake. Your actions were clearly against the spirit of the game and the best interests of your realm. As a consequence you are entirely responsible along with the individual who claimed the keep and downgraded it as the whole episode was agreed between you before the keep was released.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
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I didn't waste my time talking to this brick wall after that.

Would like to point out that the only part of the CoC that I "broke" was:

"Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game."

I guess you could twist what I did to fit that?

Note it says users and not realm mates. Note it doesn't say SHIT about "spirit of the game".

If it's against the spirit of the game to lower a keep to lvl 1, then why are we given the choice? If it's against the game to release a keep THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO SO?

Next ppl will be banned for not adding on fights.

Whats I found interesting out of this was

'Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.

Now I'm guesing Horner has flooded almost every player on this server? maybe we should mass right now screen shots and get him banned? thoughts anyone?

Eble

 

[Asha]

IF you didn't, this ban is indeed unjustified and sollers deserves an even worse punishment for dragging you allong with him in his downfall. in this case i am more than willing to talk with GOA on your behalf over undoing your ban.

Only thing sollars deserves is respect (and maybe a cuddle). I don't give a flying fuck about the ban and I sure as hell don't need anyone, least of all you, to talk to GOA for me.

 

[Caylan Raal]

how would you react if goa was given a pat on the back for a job well done ?

I cannot realistically comprehend how mythic would adhere to their current decision. IF they did do id surmise that it was done to maintain a public show of unity amongst partners, whilst internally they give goa a well deserved bollocking.

Seriously, GOA have shown a huge level of unprofessional conduct here.

 

[Penlid]

Whats I found interesting out of this was

'Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.

Now I'm guesing Horner has flooded almost every player on this server? maybe we should mass right now screen shots and get him banned? thoughts anyone?

Eble

Funny thing this, it's only GoA who ban for these, this isn't against CoC on US Servers

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

the "Albion community" is scum, so why would anyone have any respect for them?

Hmmm...you've just lost what little respect I had for you with that comment TBH.

 

[traktorlove]

Muyl your making a fool of yourself, sounding like the police or caretakers of daoc..

 

[andeh]

good thread also.

 

[Nuklear]

Im sorry but I just dont get this

What are GOA doing.......................

Im sorry but Its the Guilds choice who claimed the keep with the Relic in it what they do with it, thats the Idea of Guilds claiming keeps aint it, or is that not what GOA put it into the game for ?

If you cant downgrade a Relic Keep, then why the FOOK put it into the game ??

Any answers to that GOA I guess not, This cluster is dying FAST and the sooner that people realise this the better. Im not going to rant on about the albs and there zergs but its not helping a lot to be fair

 

[fujjeh]

Muyl your making a fool of yourself, sounding like the police or caretakers of daoc..

he´s a gm! he´s the one who banned Sollers imo

 

[Cromcruaich]

Whats I found interesting out of this was

'Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.

Now I'm guesing Horner has flooded almost every player on this server? maybe we should mass right now screen shots and get him banned? thoughts anyone?

Eble

I like it when horner floods me.

 

[Tuthmes]

good thread also.

Hehehe :>

 

[Enli]

Tbh we should contact mythic/EA about GOA's way of doing cause there is NO way i'm gonna play euro servers of WAR. Mythic interacts with its community to prevent these things from happening. GOA's GM's are acting from a distance. I'd pay extra just to have mythic itself to control european servers.

 

[Eleasias]

Your actions were clearly against the spirit of the game and the best interests of your realm

So basicly you can get banned/suspended for what some people think is against the 'spirit of the game' ie. if you are fighting someone 1v1 and you see a realm mate who doesnt help you and you die, he should be banned for not doing whats the best interest of the realm, getting enemies out of your frontiers.

We can of course turn this around too in a roleplaying way, if you are doing 8vs8 and someone adds you can report him for the same reason, you are roleplaying a scout force sent by Constantine to investigate and the adders have jeopardized? the whole operation! REPORT! They are working against Albion.

GOA wins!

 

[Luz]

Your actions were clearly against the spirit of the game and the best interests of your realm

So basicly you can get banned/suspended for what some people think is against the 'spirit of the game' ie. if you are fighting someone 1v1 and you see a realm mate who doesnt help you and you die, he should be banned for not doing whats the best interest of the realm, getting enemies out of your frontiers.

GOA wins!

That's my point. There is no "spirit of the game" its just a phrase in which you put all your personal bias towards one way of playing or another.

Thats why I wrote RightNow and asked them to stop doing drugs

 

[Cromcruaich]

Requel online, hopefully we'll get a response.

 

[eble@work]

Its weird indeed, I mentioned sometime back about a char of mine with a name against the COC, insta pop'd the GM on FH and changed it ingame for me.

Lucky me.

Now when we want some answers or advice/guidence were left with silence.

Strange game indeed.

Eble

 

[censi]

Hmmm...you've just lost what little respect I had for you with that comment TBH.

maybe understand that having the respect of "certain" players is actually a bad thing.

Who wants to be respected by all the "nice guy irls" that play this game. Its important to be respected by the people you respect though.

 

[Icebreaker]

Requel online, hopefully we'll get a response.

Don't get your hopes up. If he posts something then he prolly posts something like this:

Some stuff out of the CoC
And the fact that they can do nothing without the permission of mythic.

 

[robbe]

another proof for french ppl being retarded and specially GoA...

 

[Jupiter]

Unbeleivable tbfh, after 4 years playing this game its probably the first time i really feel violently annoyed..... GOA are fucking clueless

 

[Cromcruaich]

I'm hoping he has at least a passing interest, as without anyone playing cluster, he'll be out of a job.

 

[Tubbs]

Here's a little prezzy for good number of posters on the thread, who've already spat theirs out

 

[Takitothemacs]

I'm hoping he has at least a passing interest, as without anyone playing cluster, he'll be out of a job.

shame...

not that I want to see him out of work... but if isnt concerned enough to give a shit then he doesnt deserve his job... maybe it would also be a lesson for him on the nature of making competent and non contradictive decisions.

 

[charmangle]

I could be wrong, but I would guess that those who reported would be those who dont read this forum often, if at all and dont understand the fh politics made here associated with daoc.

There are still many players who play the game by the box (I'd like to think i was one of them but I still read this forum often). A guild who lowers a relic keep to level1 in the hope the enemy will take it and retreive the relic is quite obviously greifing in their eyes, I would also assume there would be several conversations recorded to provide evidence that it wasnt just a "o sorry we didnt realise the keep was level1". I would assume players would have pmed members of TT and asked them to release the keep or raise its level and they refused.

Try and look at it from goas perspective.

It was a harsh punishment, however, what use would the CoC be if they didnt stick to it?

Look at it from those that dont read this forum, many of them may quit the game if goa took no action against a guild going against the spirit of the game which is clearly defined as punishable in the CoC. It goes both ways

As I said before tho, a ban was way over the top, should have just released your guilds control over the keep or something as rush said

Ofc you are right mate...but

First of all, the CoC mentions nothing about this kind of action, just simple refering to SotG is just rediculous since there are 10000000 of actions every day that could be refered to this. GoA would have any customers left at all if banned all that acted against the SotG.

Also they have already made a ruling with this particular action and the result was: "A guild can do what it will with a keep it has claimed." So that ruling should overrule all CoC references until they change that officially.

All of the above should have left GoA with 2 decisitions:

Go in officially in the game, and releasing the keep for someone else to claim. And going out on the official website clearly stating that this is against the CoC.

OR

Let the ingame be as it was, and say nothing leaving it at: You can do what you want with a claimed keep.

Banning someone for this is just wrong and a bully attitude that we havent paied them for. And banning the BF GM just makes it look lika a witch hunt.

We and GoA must always remember that we are all paying customers, and even the individual must be protected by them. They should never be allowed to sacrifice one customer, because next time it will be you who are left out to dry randomly.

/Charmangle

 

[Rushie]

Ofc you are right mate...but

First of all, the CoC mentions nothing about this kind of action, just simple refering to SotG is just rediculous since there are 10000000 of actions every day that could be refered to this. GoA would have any customers left at all if banned all that acted against the SotG.

Also they have already made a ruling with this particular action and the result was: "A guild can do what it will with a keep it has claimed." So that ruling should overrule all CoC references until they change that officially.

All of the above should have left GoA with 2 decisitions:

Go in officially in the game, and releasing the keep for someone else to claim. And going out on the official website clearly stating that this is against the CoC.

OR

Let the ingame be as it was, and say nothing leaving it at: You can do what you want with a claimed keep.

Banning someone for this is just wrong and a bully attitude that we havent paied them for. And banning the BF GM just makes it look lika a witch hunt.

We and GoA must always remember that we are all paying customers, and even the individual must be protected by them. They should never be allowed to sacrifice one customer, because next time it will be you who are left out to dry randomly.

/Charmangle

spot on

 

[sneakies]

Just wondering, when did the keep get graded to the lower level?

Was it done before the 29th November?

If so, did all this crap come into focus 'after' the rules were changed, and thus, youve just been banned for neglecting to upgrade the keep at your own personal grief?

Its fucking retarded eitherways ill say that much.



I mean, if they are creating new rules and enforcing them for past occurences... it'd be like me saying that if you fart im gonna arrest you, and cause you farted last week, im arresting you.

 

[Takitothemacs]

Here's a little prezzy for good number of posters on the thread, who've already spat theirs out

This is not an issue of people spitting dummies... hell I rarely find myself in agreement with Censi on anything... but this rather is a discussion about GoA and their inability to follow their own policy and their willingness to hide behind generalised coverall statements rather than using the rulebook that they publish that covers what is or is not against the CoC. Their move to say that this action is against the spirit of the game is a blatant... "we are getting screamed at by loud group of people and we dont have a book that we can throw at someone... lets write a quick title with no substance and throw that at them instead of the book" move!

 

[Gahn]

Requiem for a Cluster -.-

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

that's your opinion. And George W. Bush's opinion too. Did he ask the rest of the world before messing in irak?

Did Sadaam ask the rest of the world before he gased thousands of curds? Executed thousands of his own? Invaded Kuwait and made war against Iran?

Seriously if your gonna use IRL analogies you better have a valid point behind it.

Bush did what he did because of many reasons, one beeing stabilize the zone to secure oil. One beeing getting rid of Saddam. Two b/c putting an exampel to all other nations with questinaable agendas; that even if UN and EU have their hands tied up of byrocratic rules and standards you can't get away with everything forever.


Sick and tired of all these moronic IRL analogies.