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Icebreaker
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Cromcruaich said:
Prolly some phrases out of the CoC or whatever. ^^
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Lyii
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GoA run the european servers very well.
It's just the English server is littered with idiots.
It's just the English server is littered with idiots.
eble@work
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if this isn't a joke then this is utter bullshit.
What happ'd to the GM who said wasn't against COC, where does it state you can't alter the level of your keep?
Honestly if you whinge hard enough GOA will listen, I guess all the school kids got a petition going.
How about AC the relic is against the spirit of the game aswell I mean I dont the chance to defend the keeps and no hibs are online!.
As the days pass by recently this game has turned into a fucking joke.
How about a GM come on here and explain themselves, this is the unofficial/ forums afterall, if they are reading these forums then they know what troubles have been going on.
GOA GM's do your job and say something even if it is just to explain wtf your doing.
Eble
What happ'd to the GM who said wasn't against COC, where does it state you can't alter the level of your keep?
Honestly if you whinge hard enough GOA will listen, I guess all the school kids got a petition going.
How about AC the relic is against the spirit of the game aswell I mean I dont the chance to defend the keeps and no hibs are online!.
As the days pass by recently this game has turned into a fucking joke.
How about a GM come on here and explain themselves, this is the unofficial/ forums afterall, if they are reading these forums then they know what troubles have been going on.
GOA GM's do your job and say something even if it is just to explain wtf your doing.
Eble
charmangle
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Lyii said:
Not sure if its an attemt to jest, but any how...Yes this is how a martyr is created!
You may not always like what the man/woman behind it stood for, what he did or why he did it...lord knows all martyrs wasnt holier than holy. But the thing is, when something bad happens to someone unjustified, no matter how you feel about him or his views, it should show you, that the same thing could happen to you! To just turn your head and say: Never mind I never liked him anyway, is the greatest threat towards democracy and our way of living there is. (even when it happens in a game, because you have invested REAL money and REAL time in it)
/Charmangle
Cromcruaich
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Penlid said:
Well indeed. But think we need to keep away from that as it'll cloud this thread.
Gahn
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Lyii said:
U seem, in fact, a prime example of those idiots!
And goa, get your acts right, this is a pile of crap, next what? Fg and solo ppl will get banned cause it's against the SoTG? Wtf is the SoTG? People play the game how the fuck they want tbh or u wanna shoot in your own feet?
Cheers for another major fuckup anyway, can't expect less.
Takitothemacs
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another fine example of the ignorant people that GOA employ to manage the english community servers, having had limited exposure to servers for other languages I cannot comment on the staff there... but since the departure of Kemor from the management position at GOA any issues have been poorly managed on many occasions, database crash for example, XML working after a patch and issues such as this shows a complete lack of consistency in how issues are dealt with illustrates just how badly it is possible to pretend to run a service.
charmangle
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Tuthmes said:
Guessing that Sollen was the one perfoming the degrade command...?
/Charmangle
Takitothemacs
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thanks for that... I hadnt spotted it till you pointed it out...Penlid said:Love your sig
class!
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prime example of an act of total retardness.
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Not saying I agree with this (I don't - I can't believe that griefing an entire ML9 raid wasn't covered, but this is - this is just a difference of opinion that's got massively out of hand - that was deliberate griefing).
It's there for precisely that reason, to cover things that can't be simply defined.
Darzil
Luz said:
It's there for precisely that reason, to cover things that can't be simply defined.
Darzil
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Wazowski said:
i you want to save BP, give the keep to another guild who CAN keep it.
GOA is clear : SABOTAGE against your OWN realm is a breach of CoC/SoTG and will not be tolerated. i can't believe people STILL defend that action.
Sollers fought the law and the law won. i can't believe he thought he was gone get away with it without some sort of reprecusion at the hands of GOA.
Luz
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Darzil said:
Ehh so anyone can get banned for anything and just refer to "the spirit of the game" then?
Do GOA grasp how a simple rule-set works?
Officer : "Hello there you are going to jail for 5 days for breaking the spirit of our country!"
Person : "What!?"
Officer : "Just come with me now"
Person : "What, tell me what I did exactly?"
Officer : "You sold your car too cheap."
Person : "How is that illegal!?"
Officer : "It cannot be easily defined - just come with me now" <handcuffs person>
Deadweight89
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take your SOTG and shove it up your arse.
sideways.
sideways.
Asha
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It's not a hoax.
I wasn't going to make this public simply cause I don't like to give scum any satisfaction, but now I think Sollars is right. Better to show how MORONIC GOA are being.
First my account was locked out so I asked why, since they didn't bother to email me til after.
Here is my lovely dialog with them after they finally decide to tell me why:
Hello,
We have investigated an incident of griefplay and found your account to be involved. The specifics are:
Character: Asha
Account: *******
Date: 29/11/2006
Details of the offence: Acting in a manner which is clearly against the spirit of the game and against the interests of your realm. We consider this to be grief play. Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedite a retake by an enemy realm.
Consequences for the account: Suspended 5 days.
Taken from the End User License Agreement that you agreed to when you logged into the game.
Appendice 1 - Code of Conduct
Rules of good conduct
Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game. Harassment of another person, insults or remarks intended to hurt another person will not be tolerated.
Of course, we expect our members to express themselves using correct language. Similarly, racist, xenophobic or revisionist remarks, or remarks displaying intolerance of a religious, ideological, philosophical or similar nature will not be accepted.
"Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.
It is forbidden to pretend to be a volunteer, a Gamemaster or a member of the GOA team.
It is forbidden to indulge in hacking (pirating) activities and to encourage others to indulge in them. It is also forbidden to distribute software enabling such activities to be practised, or viruses and other programs or scripts that may harm other users.
The role of volunteers is to help other players (often sacrificing some of their own playing time in the process). We will react particularly strongly to any persecution of or threats made to volunteers, as we will to any such behaviour directed at GOA and the people working for it.
Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.
GOA accommodates servers in three different languages (English, French and German). You can connect to a server using a foreign language, but if you communicate on the main channels, please use the language of the server.
Penalties
GOA reserves the right (at any time and without prior notice) to reduce access to or block an account temporarily or definitively if the user has not respected this Charter, has encouraged another user not to respect the Charter or has caused harm to the user community.
Characters whose names do not respect this Charter may be renamed by GOA. This does not exclude the imposition of other sanctions concerning this particular violation of the Charter.
Article in the General Conditions:
GOA reserves the right to temporarily suspend or definitively terminate your subscription, effective immediately, in the event of:
- insolvability or expiry of your credit card. GOA wishes to point out that your account may be suspended or closed if we are unable to invoice your card if it has expired on the date you renew your subscription,;
- inability of GOA to check or authenticate the information provided at the time of subscription ;
- failure to meet any of your obligations under the present general subscription conditions;
- breach of intellectual property rights; In this respect, you acknowledge that the DAOC game contains elements protected by intellectual property rights and that GOA and/or any other supplier of its content remain the full owners of the relevant contents of the DAOC game and that you do not become the owner of these rights by downloading DAOC or by accessing your Player Account ;
- failure to respect the provisions of the DAOC Behaviour Charter, available to consult at the address http://www.camelot-europe.com.
- and more generally in the event of behaviour that GOA, at its entire discretion, judges harmful to its interests or to those of DAOC users.
In the event of the suspension of your Player Account or in the event of termination of the account by GOA for one of the reasons stated above, you lose the right to access your Player Account and the data contained in it and you will not be entitled to any reimbursement, in whole or in part.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
----------------------------------------------------
WHAT?
That is total nonsense and you know it. I released a keep held by my guild. That is not a crime. Any guild could have claimed it. I had nothing to do with downgrading it. If I didn't want my guild to hold a relic that I felt was taken by dishonorable means, why is that a crime? Don't I have a right to an opinion? This is a roleplaying game, is it not? You're interfering with a basic part of the game - the players ability to make choices and effect the game world.
My guild has played this game for a long time. We took many relics honorably. I feel it is more out of spirit with the game to act so dishonorably (alarm clock raids) than to release a keep.
The fact that you would ban me for releasing a keep shows how sad this server has become.
----------------------------------------------------
Hello again,
We are not suspending you for simply releasing a keep. We are suspending you for acting in a premeditated way which is contrary to the spirit of the game. You are welcome to your opinions of how the relic was taken and can make your own choice about joining raids like that, you do not have the right however to backstab your entire realm based on those opinions. This is and will continue to be seen as griefplay or crossrealming.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
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I did not want MY GUILD holding a relic that had been taken like that. I did not give the enemy the keep. I did not tell them I was releasing or downgrading it. I did not stop any other albion guild from claiming it. How is that cross realming?
You're trying to control something that should be taken care of by the community.
The fact is that we didn't know that keep was going to hold an AC Raided relic.
I guess it's a moot point anyhow since black falcons and I won't be playing daoc anymore. Another guild gone, grats.
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Hello again,
You released the keep to Tedious Ten on the basis that it was going to be downgraded and thereby facilitate an enemy retake. Your actions were clearly against the spirit of the game and the best interests of your realm. As a consequence you are entirely responsible along with the individual who claimed the keep and downgraded it as the whole episode was agreed between you before the keep was released.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
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I didn't waste my time talking to this brick wall after that.
Would like to point out that the only part of the CoC that I "broke" was:
"Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game."
I guess you could twist what I did to fit that?
Note it says users and not realm mates. Note it doesn't say SHIT about "spirit of the game".
If it's against the spirit of the game to lower a keep to lvl 1, then why are we given the choice? If it's against the game to release a keep THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO SO?
Next ppl will be banned for not adding on fights.
I wasn't going to make this public simply cause I don't like to give scum any satisfaction, but now I think Sollars is right. Better to show how MORONIC GOA are being.
First my account was locked out so I asked why, since they didn't bother to email me til after.
Here is my lovely dialog with them after they finally decide to tell me why:
Hello,
We have investigated an incident of griefplay and found your account to be involved. The specifics are:
Character: Asha
Account: *******
Date: 29/11/2006
Details of the offence: Acting in a manner which is clearly against the spirit of the game and against the interests of your realm. We consider this to be grief play. Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedite a retake by an enemy realm.
Consequences for the account: Suspended 5 days.
Taken from the End User License Agreement that you agreed to when you logged into the game.
Appendice 1 - Code of Conduct
Rules of good conduct
Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game. Harassment of another person, insults or remarks intended to hurt another person will not be tolerated.
Of course, we expect our members to express themselves using correct language. Similarly, racist, xenophobic or revisionist remarks, or remarks displaying intolerance of a religious, ideological, philosophical or similar nature will not be accepted.
"Flooding" (the rapid systematic repetition of one phrase, which interferes with communication between users) is forbidden, as is all abuse of the means of communication that can be accessed on the site.
It is forbidden to pretend to be a volunteer, a Gamemaster or a member of the GOA team.
It is forbidden to indulge in hacking (pirating) activities and to encourage others to indulge in them. It is also forbidden to distribute software enabling such activities to be practised, or viruses and other programs or scripts that may harm other users.
The role of volunteers is to help other players (often sacrificing some of their own playing time in the process). We will react particularly strongly to any persecution of or threats made to volunteers, as we will to any such behaviour directed at GOA and the people working for it.
Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.
GOA accommodates servers in three different languages (English, French and German). You can connect to a server using a foreign language, but if you communicate on the main channels, please use the language of the server.
Penalties
GOA reserves the right (at any time and without prior notice) to reduce access to or block an account temporarily or definitively if the user has not respected this Charter, has encouraged another user not to respect the Charter or has caused harm to the user community.
Characters whose names do not respect this Charter may be renamed by GOA. This does not exclude the imposition of other sanctions concerning this particular violation of the Charter.
Article in the General Conditions:
GOA reserves the right to temporarily suspend or definitively terminate your subscription, effective immediately, in the event of:
- insolvability or expiry of your credit card. GOA wishes to point out that your account may be suspended or closed if we are unable to invoice your card if it has expired on the date you renew your subscription,;
- inability of GOA to check or authenticate the information provided at the time of subscription ;
- failure to meet any of your obligations under the present general subscription conditions;
- breach of intellectual property rights; In this respect, you acknowledge that the DAOC game contains elements protected by intellectual property rights and that GOA and/or any other supplier of its content remain the full owners of the relevant contents of the DAOC game and that you do not become the owner of these rights by downloading DAOC or by accessing your Player Account ;
- failure to respect the provisions of the DAOC Behaviour Charter, available to consult at the address http://www.camelot-europe.com.
- and more generally in the event of behaviour that GOA, at its entire discretion, judges harmful to its interests or to those of DAOC users.
In the event of the suspension of your Player Account or in the event of termination of the account by GOA for one of the reasons stated above, you lose the right to access your Player Account and the data contained in it and you will not be entitled to any reimbursement, in whole or in part.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
----------------------------------------------------
WHAT?
That is total nonsense and you know it. I released a keep held by my guild. That is not a crime. Any guild could have claimed it. I had nothing to do with downgrading it. If I didn't want my guild to hold a relic that I felt was taken by dishonorable means, why is that a crime? Don't I have a right to an opinion? This is a roleplaying game, is it not? You're interfering with a basic part of the game - the players ability to make choices and effect the game world.
My guild has played this game for a long time. We took many relics honorably. I feel it is more out of spirit with the game to act so dishonorably (alarm clock raids) than to release a keep.
The fact that you would ban me for releasing a keep shows how sad this server has become.
----------------------------------------------------
Hello again,
We are not suspending you for simply releasing a keep. We are suspending you for acting in a premeditated way which is contrary to the spirit of the game. You are welcome to your opinions of how the relic was taken and can make your own choice about joining raids like that, you do not have the right however to backstab your entire realm based on those opinions. This is and will continue to be seen as griefplay or crossrealming.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
------------------------------------------------------
I did not want MY GUILD holding a relic that had been taken like that. I did not give the enemy the keep. I did not tell them I was releasing or downgrading it. I did not stop any other albion guild from claiming it. How is that cross realming?
You're trying to control something that should be taken care of by the community.
The fact is that we didn't know that keep was going to hold an AC Raided relic.
I guess it's a moot point anyhow since black falcons and I won't be playing daoc anymore. Another guild gone, grats.
-----------------------------------------------------
Hello again,
You released the keep to Tedious Ten on the basis that it was going to be downgraded and thereby facilitate an enemy retake. Your actions were clearly against the spirit of the game and the best interests of your realm. As a consequence you are entirely responsible along with the individual who claimed the keep and downgraded it as the whole episode was agreed between you before the keep was released.
Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager
---------------------------------------------------
I didn't waste my time talking to this brick wall after that.
Would like to point out that the only part of the CoC that I "broke" was:
"Users are expected to show respect for one another, to contribute to the cordial atmosphere of the game."
I guess you could twist what I did to fit that?
Note it says users and not realm mates. Note it doesn't say SHIT about "spirit of the game".
If it's against the spirit of the game to lower a keep to lvl 1, then why are we given the choice? If it's against the game to release a keep THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO SO?
Next ppl will be banned for not adding on fights.
Out of all the things they could have done, this is the most sad one.
By not stepping in regarding the keep, they show that there is no breach of rules. Or they would have a reason to do something about that.
Then they claim it is grieving players, for starters nothing has happened so far. If it would, the Albs would have a huge battle to defend, which isnt grieving at all now is it?
AC raids grieve two entire realms, nothing can be done about that and GOA knows that full well. So if a little action like setting a keep different is grieving, then surely AC raids are as well. Against two realms instead of one.
I think the whole community should say something about this.. Everyone who agrees should RightNow this to GOA. They have to understand that by the AC raids the balance in the game gets screwed up. All TT (and sollers as spokesman/actor) have done is give the other realms a slightly better chance for evening it out again.
I have to agree with crom: If they justify a ban over this, then anything done in rvr that 'hurts' the feelings of another player could be called grieving and be worth a ban.
By not stepping in regarding the keep, they show that there is no breach of rules. Or they would have a reason to do something about that.
Then they claim it is grieving players, for starters nothing has happened so far. If it would, the Albs would have a huge battle to defend, which isnt grieving at all now is it?
AC raids grieve two entire realms, nothing can be done about that and GOA knows that full well. So if a little action like setting a keep different is grieving, then surely AC raids are as well. Against two realms instead of one.
I think the whole community should say something about this.. Everyone who agrees should RightNow this to GOA. They have to understand that by the AC raids the balance in the game gets screwed up. All TT (and sollers as spokesman/actor) have done is give the other realms a slightly better chance for evening it out again.
I have to agree with crom: If they justify a ban over this, then anything done in rvr that 'hurts' the feelings of another player could be called grieving and be worth a ban.
