Burn the book

[Job]

So some dude is going to burn the Q/Koran.

All I hear from every corner of the world is the message of fear.
Even the Pres-e-dent of the United States is afraid of
what the nutters will do.
Islam has to be the biggest, meanest cult on the planet when
they can blackmail the entire human race.
Poke the stick in the hornets nest and let's see what they've got.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well to summarise what i said in general;

No point, will cause more trouble then it's worth, will not change angry extremist minds but WILL make more people angry.

It is has no point, except to piss epople off, shouldn't bother.

People seem to mix up "freedom" with "right to a-hole'ism".

It's not blackmail for something to be a bad idea. If i tell you sticking your cock in a blender during a blackout is a bad idea, it doesn't mean i'm opressing your freedom.

 

[megadave]

should have just ignored the ignorant twat and there would have never been a problem

 

[- English -]

if he doesnt do it now, its a sign of weakness against islam?

 

[E_E]

Burn all holy books... all religion is bad, and only causes problems for the world

 

[Lamp]

sticking your cock in a blender during a blackout

:lol:

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's a classic

 

[Ezteq]

oh every time i hear about this it makes me feel sick; i mean is this guy fucking nuts??

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to many things, religion especially but even I know that (or think I know...) muslims hold their holy books in even higher regard than other religions and the folk that take extra exception to this kind of shit don't just write a pissed off letter to the government, they take extreme action against someone shitting on their beliefs in this way so this pastor blokey is in effect unleashing a world of shit just to make his point...the consequences will probably be horrific and not worth it.

There are better, more effective more constructive ways to make your point than to act like a dick and poke a big fucking dangerous hole in a situation that's already pretty sodding volitile.

This whole thing is stupid, pointless and irrisponsible. It makes me ashamed to be the same species when I see people (in any situation) being arseholes just to get a bigger and better reaction and do that whole 'ooh look how fucking cool and unafraid to go there I am' from the little irritating dweeb who does it on the internet to the guy who sets off a bomb and kills people, its all about them and drawing attention to them not their so called beliefs and ideals its about their inferiority.

 

[Ch3tan]

Burning a holy book is not just sending a message to the extremists of that religion, it will upset and anger most people that practise that religion. It does not serve the purpose of highlighting problems with the religion as this nutter claims.

 

[Huntingtons]

even if the book was full of bad bad things it still wouldnt highlight any problems with islam. burning anything is NOT, i repeat, NOT highlighting stuff. DONT DO IT TO YOUR STUDY NOTES!

 

[Ch3tan]

He's changed his mind now.

 

[Fafnir]

He's changed his mind now.

Not really he might still go ahead tomorrow he said. He is just as bad as the muslim extrimist minority.

Wonder if he nows that Quran also contains biblical stories..

 

[Nate]

Changing the subject a little, I've recently been wondering what it is the Muslim Religion is doing to route out the extremists that use their Mosque's to hide in. This is assuming it really is what the extremists do, only going on what I've heard in the news which I don't really pay a lot of attention to anyway.

 

[Fafnir]

Changing the subject a little, I've recently been wondering what it is the Muslim Religion is doing to route out the extremists that use their Mosque's to hide in. This is assuming it really is what the extremists do, only going on what I've heard in the news which I don't really pay a lot of attention to anyway.

What is the Christian religion doin to root out extremists? They only hide behind religious freedom.

 

[Sparx]

Im not supporting him in any way but one thing i dont get is how come this is such a bad and horrible thing thats going to start world war 3 but its perfectly ok for them to burn American flags in mass riots and protests if someone farts in the general direction of a mosque? complete double standards

 

[Jiggs]

Religious freedom is one of the worst oxymorons mankind ever came up with.

Imagine a world were there wasn't religion, now if you wanted to invent something to divide, control and subjugate that world I'd wager that something would look a lot like religion.

I suppose people find it more palatable than the truth that they are just putting themselves in hock to the priests/imams/monks.

 

[Fafnir]

Imagine a world were there wasn't religion, now if you wanted to invent something to divide, control and subjugate that world I'd wager that something would look a lot like religion.

Why do you think we have religions? Dont think we have ever been without some religion or another where an "elite" has used it to control the uneducated masses.

Wonder where Europe would have been without Martin Luther and his ideas. Would we all still be under the block and tackel of the pope?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Said this in general;

I'd just like to say that i think, personally, that the whole "islam is opresxsing us" thing is cooked up by those that claim the opression.

It's not like we have concentration camps, slavery and denied freedoms around here, ran by an evil islam dictatorship.

Nothing has changed, except that people suddenly think islam is somehow limiting our freedoms.

This whole threat to freedom is propaganda and all in your head.

Sure, some islam members may bomb a thing or two, but we don't go blaming every bombing as "opression of freedom". Never have, so why the special treatment?

If people forgot the whole anti-islam thing, which is a tall order, there would be no threat to freedom as people wouldn't make it up.

In a nutshell; when was the last time a member of islam told you not to do something? Or was it AFTER you did it that they said "We dun like that."

About the whole "without religion", religion isn't the problem, people are the problem. If there was no religion, there'd be atheists telling this or that, or an anarchist union(which is funny), or just some people who like the color purple more.

Religion in itself is, by all parts, peaceful. The people making it into a war, or making peolpe believe others need to be destroyed because they believe X, are the problem.

It's like blaming alcohol on stupid drunks, it doesn't make everyone a violent wife beater, so the problem isn't in the substance.

 

[Calaen]

Why do you think we have religions? Dont think we have ever been without some religion or another where an "elite" has used it to control the uneducated masses.

Wonder where Europe would have been without Martin Luther and his ideas. Would we all still be under the block and tackel of the pope?

The Life of Brian sums it up better than anyone else ever can. It's all a farce.

 

[Chronictank]

Religious freedom is one of the worst oxymorons mankind ever came up with.

Imagine a world were there wasn't religion, now if you wanted to invent something to divide, control and subjugate that world I'd wager that something would look a lot like religion.

I suppose people find it more palatable than the truth that they are just putting themselves in hock to the priests/imams/monks.

you mean a bit like democracy? and to an extent capitalism

 

[Chronictank]

as for Job, you really are a tool aren't you
If 'they' were all like the handful of nutters out there, 'you' would have these things happening on your doorstep rather than front page of the sun

If you want an example of what happens when a significant number of people are pissed off, when the Danish cartoons happened people boycotted Danish exports. Being one of the larger exporters of halal meat they were losing 3.2 million euros a day, as well as various contracts (i think it ultimately cost 0.5 per cent of the Danish GPD in the end).
But of course you wouldn't bother reading that as it doesn't really make a good start for a bigoted rant does it

And once again you conveniently ignore all the calls for not over-reacting by, shock horror, the Islamic clerics, imams and various scholars

 

[Fafnir]

Well if you are a muslim, dont die a virgin or you will have to give martyrs special treatment in the afterlife.

 

[megadave]

hes called it off but it's too late, someone has died as a result of his ignorance

 

[kamorrista]

just two things to point at:

1 - If all the media and press didn't pay attention to this crazy priest, it wouldn't had gone so far

2 - There is a difference between Islam and other religions, which is believe man is above woman and never renewed their doctrine (at least church did slowly) budism didn't evolve aswell but they just don't focus on man supremacy or punishments or whatever, they focus their knowledge in the mental peace finding.

P.S. just my PoV and imho

 

[Thorwyn]

2 - There is a difference between Islam and other religions, which is believe man is above woman and never renewed their doctrine (at least church did slowly) budism didn't evolve aswell but they just don't focus on man supremacy or punishments or whatever, they focus their knowledge in the mental peace finding.

So what´s your point in the context of this thread? Does this difference give us any justification to burn quran books?

 

[kamorrista]

ofc not, just pointing at that factor, violence generates violence, as well as burning books will annoy people that really believes in it, it is more than unuseful (it won't fix anything) further than that it will (and is) harm people and push radicals to get violent about it

 

[Thorwyn]

further than that it will (and is) harm people and push radicals to get violent about it

Correct. And that´s exactly what this guy is hoping for. He doesn´t give a shit about women being surpressed in the muslim world or the ideological or social differences between the religions. He want´s to provoke a direct confrontation, nothing more.

 

[Lamp]

Islam has to be the biggest, meanest cult on the planet when they can blackmail the entire human race. Poke the stick in the hornets nest and let's see what they've got.

*shakes head*
*sigh*

 

[aika]

So what´s your point in the context of this thread? Does this difference give us any justification to burn quran books?

Why do you need justification?

 

[Ch3tan]

2 - There is a difference between Islam and other religions, which is believe man is above woman and never renewed their doctrine (at least church did slowly) budism didn't evolve aswell but they just don't focus on man supremacy or punishments or whatever, they focus their knowledge in the mental peace finding.

P.S. just my PoV and imho

Very wrong, you are right that that is just your pov, as it's not correct at all. You are confusing Islam as a religion and the laws, based on an old translation of religious texts and cultures of nations. The perceived oppression of women by Islam is simply a cultural thing ingrained into nations.

Christianity is no better, it just has no power over any countries anymore, secular societies in the west have forced it to modernise or be shunned.

There are many countries in the world were worst happens to people, but it's not as profitable for the media, so we are only fed this bullshit.