Buffy Finished.

[Sar]

Originally posted by dysfunction
I have watched as many episodes as I have given to Buffy so there!!

Only further making our point...

 

[leggy]

7 did things for lycra that no one could ever have dreamed of.

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by Sar
Only further making our point...

I disagree.

It makes mine more valid.

As I dont think Alias is crap....but I do think Buffy is crap.

 

[leggy]

Unfortunatly Alias is food for half wits.

 

[nath]

Originally posted by dysfunction
I feel the same need to say how shit it is that you feel the need to say how good it is.

Why? People enjoy talking about things of a common interest. There's no necessity to go on about how shit it is all the time. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give a monkeys left bollock if other people think the show sucks.. I like it, and as far as I'm concerned that's all that matters to me. When people talk about things that they don't like I tend to ignore the post/conversation/whatever. You don't see me busting in to the DAOC forums talking about how lame etc. Partly because that would be shit, partly because I've never played it, mainly because I fear Daminis' wrath. Either way, if you dislike something, why go to great lengths to go on about how shit it is?

 

[dysfunction]

I dont go to great lengths to express my dislike of the program.

I posted a few times here to express my opinion on the subject.

Not all opinions have to be in agreement with everyone else. Whats the point in that?

You just end up with a very boring one sided conversation.

I'm not posting my dislike for the program as an attack on those that do.

I just cant see what there is to like....and thats what I was trying to find out. Perhaps I have not given the program a chance and maybe I have but I should be allowed to express my opinion.

But then suddenly I'm hit with an all scale attack from the buffy fan club

I might just persevere with some of the buffy episodes and see what you are all raving about. But so far I have not seen anything there that I find enjoyable about it.

Its a pity you ignore the things you dont wish to see. It might get you to think from a different perspective now and again.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Buffy / Angel fight scenes which surpass those in most movies:
(You shouldn't have got me started).
Just a few off the top of my head (there are hundreds more):

Angel Investigations vs The Beast: The entire team face off against a huge horned demon with lizard-like eyes and skin made of molten rock. It nearly kills all of them and after shoving a stake straight through Angel's throat flings him off the top of a skyskraper and uses the bodies of 20 massacred victims to cast a spell which turns the sky to fire. Maybe the best fight scene I've ever seen.

The Beast Vs Faith: Rogue Slayer fares no better against the rock creature, and takes one of the most dramatic and brutal-looking beatings I've ever witnessed. In a subtle and quite disturbing moment you just catch a grin on her bloodied face as you hear another rib break.

Buffy Vs Faith: 2 hot girls, 2 pairs of leather trousers (uhuhu huhuhu), a rooftop battle and a nasty knife through the guts.

Willow Vs Glory: Indestructible hellgod takes on powerful, thoroughly pissed-off uberwitch.

Xander Vs Harmony: Absolute genius. Has to be seen to be believed.

Every week this show looks like a big budget movie, and every epsiode is made in 8-11 days - no year long shoots for this lot.

 

[~YuckFou~]

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
Buffy / Angel fight scenes which surpass those in most movies:
(You shouldn't have got me started).
Just a few off the top of my head (there are hundreds more):

Angel Investigations vs The Beast: The entire team face off against a huge horned demon with lizard-like eyes and skin made of molten rock. It nearly kills all of them and after shoving a stake straight through Angel's throat flings him off the top of a skyskraper and uses the bodies of 20 massacred victims to cast a spell which turns the sky to fire. Maybe the best fight scene I've ever seen.

The Beast Vs Faith: Rogue Slayer fares no better against the rock creature, and takes one of the most dramatic and brutal-looking beatings I've ever witnessed. In a subtle and quite disturbing moment you just catch a grin on her bloodied face as you hear another rib break.

Buffy Vs Faith: 2 hot girls, 2 pairs of leather trousers (uhuhu huhuhu), a rooftop battle and a nasty knife through the guts.

Willow Vs Glory: Indestructible hellgod takes on powerful, thoroughly pissed-off uberwitch.

Xander Vs Harmony: Absolute genius. Has to be seen to be believed.

Every week this show looks like a big budget movie, and every epsiode is made in 8-11 days - no year long shoots for this lot.

I want to know which films are not as good as Buffy fight scenes not the buffy episodes...

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Which films aren't as good as Buffy? Sorry that's 95% of the films ever made - I can't give you a list. The Terminator movies and Bond movies for a start.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Ooops, double-post.

 

[nath]

It's alright to have an opinion, but as Stu pointed out.. people do seem to get awfully narky about people who like it. As I said Dys, it doesn't wind me up when people relentlessly go on about how buffy is shit (hi exor!), I just don't see the point.

Sure you can talk about your opinion on the subject but you, albeit to a lesser extent than other people, seem to get very high n mighty about it. BUFFY IS SHIT WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SEE IN IT YOU RETARDS! is the attitude I'm getting from you (to a lesser extent than other people [hi exor!]).

Either way, 's just a TV show, and it's finished now. So fugghedabaddid.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
Which films are not as good as Buffy? Errr, like, 95% of the films ever made. Can't give you a list.

rofl.

You don't half talk some pish

Buffy is but one series. There have been a countless number of films made. You tell Dysfunction to stop making random comments and then spout rubbish like that.

You are making buffy out to be some untouchable cinematic and literary masterpiece.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by nath
just a TV show

Right you, outside, now!

I really need to calm down. I'll defend this show against naysayers 'til the day I die with far much more venom than is strictly necessary. Dys, watch it and see what you've missed, or don't. Your loss, but if you like Smallville (Buffy-lite, with a boy) then you have no reason not to like it.

I really must leave this argument now

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by leggy
You are making buffy out to be some untouchable cinematic and literary masterpiece.

Except to say, why yes, that is what I'm making it out to be. I am, and always was, a huge film buff. Yes, it is but one (or two, inc. Angel) series, and yes it is superior, in terms of writing, direction, plotting and acting, than most films.

 

[~YuckFou~]

Buffy is shite.

 

[nath]

lol yuck, took me ages to work out what the hell that was about.

And for the record Jonny, I'm a buffy nut too so can it!

Has to be said though, when Joss Whedon left the helm, it slowly started going downhill.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

He never left the helm, he was just split between Buffy / Angel, new series Firefly, which was canned despite being the best new sci-fi since, well, Buffy, as well as writing the Giles spin-off series for the BBC (Ripper) working on his Fray comic and penning an entire animated series of BTVS.

It's great that he gets around but one man can't concentrate on so many things successfully, which is why BTVS did suffer slightly last year.

He's concentrating fully on Angel's new look for next year though. I so can't wait for that - thought the end of season 4 W&H twist was genius.

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
Which films aren't as good as Buffy? Sorry that's 95% of the films ever made - I can't give you a list. The Terminator movies and Bond movies for a start.

From The fight scenes that I have seen in Buffy....I have to disagree....they were more like what you would get in a very bad school play.




And due to the vast numbers of people getting their knickers in a very tight knot on here...I wont be expressing my opinion anymore regarding Buffy...

 

[nath]

Like I said, I don't mind you saying it's shit. I just didn't know why you bothered.

And tbh Jonny in buffy, the fight scenes always seemed like something they were required to put in because some people wanted them. Theres a few good fights... s4 hush springs to mind straight away. Either way, I don't know anyone that watches Buffy for the fights. Still a fantastic series though, and I'm glad to hear that Joss is taking a bigger role in angel s5.

As for the s4 ending, I thought it was less of a twist, more of the out of the blue type of thing. "Here lets do this, because they wouldn't have seen that coming". A twist should be something you don't see coming but when you look back you see it building up. There was none of that for W&H.

Anyway, heres hoping the next series will be good.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Dysfunction, this is for you, a new article from the Guardian. Of course, not everything they say is Gospel but is there a more respected voice in the country when it comes to speaking on the arts? Possibly not.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/editor/story/0,12900,963826,00.html

They call it a "work of genius" and ridicules those, like yourself, who "scoff" without knowing what they're talking about.

This is really my last word on the subject!

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

My word yes, Art is definitely not a highly subjective thing and neither is tv, so if the Guardian says it's good, it definitely is so!

Can you please argue with me about what the best flavour of ice cream is next JD (with sources, thanks)

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Look Scooba my issue was with Dys blasting in here going "Buffy is shit, you're all retards, I've hardly watched any of it."

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, IF. YOU. HAVE. BASIS for that opinion.

Would you want me to review games in the future without playing them? I sure as hell know I wouldn't screw our customers like that.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
Look Scooba my issue was with Dys blasting in here going "Buffy is shit, you're all retards, I've hardly watched any of it."

He said he's watched it, over, and over, and over again, why are you ignoring this?

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, IF. YOU. HAVE. BASIS for that opinion.

Would you want me to review games in the future without playing them? I sure as hell know I wouldn't screw our customers like that.

Would you want people to buy games on the strength of your review without trying them? Make up your mind which side of the arguement you are trying to use before introducing flawed analogies, it makes you look slightly thick.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
He said he's watched it, over, and over, and over again, why are you ignoring this?

No. PLEASE RE-READ before you comment. He's seen half a dozen or so episodes, mainly early ones, out of 144 eps. He cannot comment on the strength of a series like this by watching that many. Plus he saw half of them out of order / context. With a show that relies so heavily on arcs of course you won't like it if you dip in now and again.

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass Would you want people to buy games on the strength of your review without trying them? Make up your mind which side of the arguement you are trying to use before introducing flawed analogies, it makes you look slightly thick. [/B]

Yes, of course I'd like people to buy games on the strength of my reviews. That's why I do them. That's why I review honestly. That's the whole fricking point of having reviews on a retail site so how is that a flawed analogy? I may never be able to tell you if you'll like a game, but I promise to tell you whether it's any good or not.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

It's a flawed analogy because you are saying that Dysfunction cannot hold an opinion on the matter unless he has watched X episodes, something clearly insane, and only derived from your Buffy fanboyism.

Working on this principle, I can trust none of your reviews unless you have played the game to a satisfactory extent that I arbitrarily decide.

Now do you see?

 

[Damini]

But, to an extent Scooba, that's true.

I played Metroid prime, and gave up on it within three minutes because I just couldn't get into it. I wouldn't be able to give a fair review on that game.

With Buffy, when I was out in America years and years ago I saw an episode from a season way ahead of where we were in England, and I thought it looked total shit, and was disappointed that Buffy "ends up shit". Watching it all the way through though, it didn't happen, because everything is inter-reliant, character devlopment and so on.

I've never got into 24, but I know you need to really watch them all in order to really pass fair criticism.

I watched all of titanic, and I can say with hand on heart honesty that its shit.




If Jonny just played the intro sequence of a game, or a few random demos out of it, then I'd trust his reviews as much as I'd trust a colander shaped condom.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Now do you see?

Come on, that stopped being funny 2 years ago.

Do you read film reviews before going to the cinema? Would you prefer the reviewers had watched the entire film, or just the two-minute teaser trailer.

Well of course you want them to have watched the film. That way, they are speaking with authority on a subject they know. They may not like the film, the opinion of the film may differ from yours, but at least they are speaking with authority - having actually seen the film in question.

How can you possibly even begin to argiue this logic? You cannot pass judgement on that which you don't know. I won't enter a forum talking about Xena and go "Xena's shite, you're all thick". Because frankly, I don't know what I'm talking about. I've seen, like, two episodes of Xena, and they seemed a bit lame, but considering I didn't know the history or the characters, I'd be willing to admit that when viewed coherently as a season it might be great. I don't know!

Likewise, I can't tell you what the new Matrix film is like. I haven't seen it so I don't have any right to pass judgement. However, perhaps, with your crazy logic, you'd like to treat us all to a review of The Return Of The King? Well you don't need to have seen it, do you?

Do you see?

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

The difference is in the numbers, Dys isn't offering a review of Buffy, he's saying based on what he's watched in his opinion it's shit. The counter response from Buffyites is "You can't hold an opinion on Buffy until you've watched X number of shows that I've just decided"

Like Buffy all you want, dislike Buffy all you want, but your opinions are just that, and claiming that an opinion holds no weight because you've not experienced as much as someone else is laughable.

Which films aren't as good as Buffy? Sorry that's 95% of the films ever made - I can't give you a list. The Terminator movies and Bond movies for a start.

I definitely trust your opinion now!

 

[Durzel]

Originally posted by Damini
If Jonny just played the intro sequence of a game, or a few random demos out of it, then I'd trust his reviews as much as I'd trust a colander shaped condom.

I can see why <someone I know> has the hots for you with talk like that, you're starting to sound like Carla used to (dunno if you ever heard of her).

But anyway.. like everything you don't really appreciate the finer aspects of Buffy unless you've been privvy to the character development. Like Spike, for example. If you hadn't beared witness to him joining the show literally years ago in Season 2 - originally as Buffys mortal enemy - there's no way you could just watch Season 7 (or even 6) and fully appreciate the significance of his role in everything, and his love/lust for Buffy.

There's also a certain amount of "growing up with the cast". Looking back at Season 1 (which just finished on BBC2 I think) SMG and co. look very young indeed.

(I had a point to make with the last paragraph, but someone put a cup of tea on my desk and it disappeared)