best way to kill mid fotm group?

[kin]

Originally posted by Arnor
ehm, your the noob here. insta-lull "removes" the spell your casting, so if you are spamming the mezz-button like you should, youll get one off shortly after the lull

Before group is hit by insta mezz from hibs inc with speed 5, think not. Then followed by 3 pbaoers in the middle of group.

Insta >>>>> shortly

Originally posted by Whisperess
19 healers + 3 shamans = 22 players
8 bards + 13 druids = 21 players
2 sorcs + 7 clerics = 9 players

the reason why you see so many healers is that it's not only primary CC'er, it's also primary healer. ( running 3 healers per group is not uncommon ). Once again, the utility of albion is spread out amongst the different classes.

There's little reason to put more than one sorc or more than one bard in a group, but there's every reason in the world to put more healers in the group, and thus your arguments fail, yet again.

Take prydwen for an example: ( using > 1 mil since it's a less RvR active server )

18 healers + 9 shamans = 27 players
7 bards + 8 druids = 15 players ( hib has 25% of active lvl 50ies on pryd )
8 sorcs + 15 clerics = 23 players

Could it be that on alb/excal - people are reluctant to play support classes?

Most healers will have some pac, unless they are part of a regular rvr group and tailored to do healing and buffs, dont deny that. If they dont its like getting a smite cleric in your group.
The 2 sorcs on xcalibur is inactive.
The only 2 high rr sorcs i think is active is tahn and mindrat.

Let me put it this way

Albs main CC is often dead before fight starts, dont tell me otherwise. If anyone has any doubts try looked at deathmessages when albs die. This mean often there is no CC
on enemy support, while alb support is mezzed. That means....

FG RvR is mostly about fast speed attack at less than bolt range
, followed by tanks ganking support as fast as posibel or pbaoers ganking entire group. Albs have problems competing since
no insta mezz, worse tanks and worse pbaoers. Yes insta mezz/stun is not lasting long but its more than enough time to kill a sorc and a cleric or 2 for 3 assisting savages. Then alb tanks play without any support, unless mincer has purge and sos up.

Every fair and sane mid/hib cant argue against this is what is happening very often in rvr.

Then when we talk about fairness we get 'but albs have plate', and minstrels have stealth and can climb walls.
When we tell either enhance some of our classes, or nerf/tone down some of mid/hib we whine, but if 1 infil dares to use df to kill an enemy everyone is bitching.

To qoute a mid.

Once again, the utility of albion is spread out amongst the different classes, BUT EVERYTHING IS ALLRIGTH.

I dont blame mid players really. If i played mid i would make a savage or healer asap, but i would also admit the class was better than the counterparts, and i would take inc nerfs like a
man instead of defending something not balanced. I would also
know that if my group was able to defeat 3 fg+ of enemies in straight battle something is wrong.

 

[parzi]

pls edit again and add some more whines xDDD

 

[infozwerg]

I would also know that if my group was able to defeat 3 fg+ of enemies in straight battle something is wrong.

been there, done that, 3 fg of dirty mids dead in the bloody emain grass. i played my drums to ease the way for my fellow albs, onward to new battles and new glory!

so basically: what nerfs to albion are you gonna take like a man?

 

[infozwerg]

]Before group is hit by insta mezz from hibs inc with speed 5, think not. Then followed by 3 pbaoers in the middle of group.

amazing tactics, to bad it only works against utter noobs. :>

 

[Whisperess]

First off:

"Plz take your spiritmaster out for a run in emain, and when i see you in a good random group with it days after days you have proven me wrong."

I've done my fair shares of emain runs with my spiritmaster, and we slaughtered like nothing else. If you get me a full respec stone, I'll go back to suppression just to blast some sense into your skull. Just ask the BC pbae-groups running around in emain, they're doing quite well from what I can see of the killspam.

Here's the part that annoy me though:

Originally posted by kin
To qoute a mid.

Once again, the utility of albion is spread out amongst the different classes, BUT EVERYTHING IS ALLRIGTH.

Don't f'cking go add words that I never wrote that also changes the entire meaning of the sentance, and claim it to be a quote!

I'm sorry - but after this I can't possibly read anything you write and give it some thought, when you resort to altering quotes into something that suits you best.

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by driwen
class ---- # of chars -- average lvl
Enchanter -- 1,322 ------- 29.09
Scout -------- 1,378 ------- 24.71
Savage ------ 1,314 -------- 24.21
Wizard ------- 1,788 ------- 25.12

so uhm wizards are totally foty and so are scouts?

Btw these numbers are of excalibur only of which i guess stormriderx got his.

I use enchanters as my example cause they are another overpowered class

That and they've been overpowered for ever pretty much

 

[kin]

Originally posted by Whisperess
First off:

"Plz take your spiritmaster out for a run in emain, and when i see you in a good random group with it days after days you have proven me wrong."

I've done my fair shares of emain runs with my spiritmaster, and we slaughtered like nothing else. If you get me a full respec stone, I'll go back to suppression just to blast some sense into your skull. Just ask the BC pbae-groups running around in emain, they're doing quite well from what I can see of the killspam.

Here's the part that annoy me though:



Don't f'cking go add words that I never wrote that also changes the entire meaning of the sentance, and claim it to be a quote!

I'm sorry - but after this I can't possibly read anything you write and give it some thought, when you resort to altering quotes into something that suits you best.

The words in caps where mine.
You say that albion is fine, and that we are equal to mids in classes.
You say that alb skills spread on to many classes.

Get the point ?

Again tell me which group in albion who can beat a fotm mid group
50/50 % on a regular basis. Pick any players in albion you like and let them go against a savage group like JH, best out of 5.
Until then your arguments have no meaning. Its all about alb sux,
we own, everything is fair, and no arguments whatsoever.

 

[Rulke-RM]

Grats on finding the quote button Kin

 

[schinkaar]

kin, you dont know anything about healers, nor about albs infact you prolly dont know anything about RvR. Id say that you should come mid, come mid with all your n00b guildmates and play on easy mode. Will you ever win, no prolly not. And yea i could have a alb group beat JH 5 out 5 with all RA:s up on both sides, give me the same people playing all on voicecom 2 bb:s and in 2 months i could prolly beat them without everything up.

Heres your problem, you dont have any of that, you dont know anything about RvR you run out with a gimped group with gimped players. And with that you wanna beat people who play with eachother, in the same group setup 6-7h/day on voicecom having 2-3 lvl 50 bb:s max buff specced with high buff RA?

I think too that mid is better than alb, but no way is it near the state you are saying. Do i think a savage outdamages a merc while hitting BoF:ed clerics? No. Do i think its impossible to run away with support while using SoS? no. Do i think its hard to get away from a sosing tank team? yes. Do i think albs that have 1.5 min of this advantage could loose? yes, if they play bad enuff they do. Now i dont know how you can pull off a feat like this, but you could prolly tell me. And yea i think thats its pretty awesome that you manage to loose with 3 FG aswell, as estate have ganked 3 FG mid n00bs JH gank 3 FG alb n00bs. And im not sure, but most likely all good hib grps could do the same thing.

 

[kin]

Originally posted by schinkaar
kin, you dont know anything about healers, nor about albs infact you prolly dont know anything about RvR. Id say that you should come mid, come mid with all your n00b guildmates and play on easy mode. Will you ever win, no prolly not. And yea i could have a alb group beat JH 5 out 5 with all RA:s up on both sides, give me the same people playing all on voicecom 2 bb:s and in 2 months i could prolly beat them without everything up.

Heres your problem, you dont have any of that, you dont know anything about RvR you run out with a gimped group with gimped players. And with that you wanna beat people who play with eachother, in the same group setup 6-7h/day on voicecom having 2-3 lvl 50 bb:s max buff specced with high buff RA?

I think too that mid is better than alb, but no way is it near the state you are saying. Do i think a savage outdamages a merc while hitting BoF:ed clerics? No. Do i think its impossible to run away with support while using SoS? no. Do i think its hard to get away from a sosing tank team? yes. Do i think albs that have 1.5 min of this advantage could loose? yes, if they play bad enuff they do. Now i dont know how you can pull off a feat like this, but you could prolly tell me. And yea i think thats its pretty awesome that you manage to loose with 3 FG aswell, as estate have ganked 3 FG mid n00bs JH gank 3 FG alb n00bs. And im not sure, but most likely all good hib grps could do the same thing.

You think Grymulv and Eoforwic likes to be called noobs, because these are the one in my usually guild rvr group. We have access to atleast 2 lv 50 full enhance clerics with high moa too. Usually
we run with 1 sorc, 1 mincer, 2 clerics, 1 pala, 3 det tanks, but
ofc its us who is noobs and make worst posibel alb group.

So alb might have a chance on a 30 min timer if minstrel and clerics is unmezzed and alive, how can they use that in 5 straight
battles ? Btw do mids have a ra in group called perfect recovery
which enables them to get their insta mezzing chainwearing support up 1 time for each healer ?

 

[schinkaar]

yep its you that im calling n00bs.

edit: yea mids have PR.

 

[kin]

Originally posted by schinkaar
yep its you that im calling n00bs.

edit: yea mids have PR.

So your saying that the higest sorc and the third higest merc
on excalibur is noobs ?

 

[duact]

yes they are

 

[eemma]

Just a thought.

how about this hib group? (need buffbot )
2 Nature druid
1 mana eld
1 bard
3 heroes
1 bm

whenever you meet a fotm group let druid Insta root (insta root last loner than cast timer one right?) at first sight! and second druid spam AOE root on them so them healers dont have a chance to cast mezz on you. eld do str con debuff and aoe disease and first Target for tanks is Shammy and eld assist with dd+snare so they cant sprint away as this class must go down first as they are main interrupter! and both druid have thier pet on each of the healer so they cant do heal... after the shammie is down those savages should break free from root just aoe dis them and Mezz them and tend to those healers! by the time you get 1 healer down savages will break free from mezz but keep in mind they are 15% snared cuz of disease... let eld dd+snare them (not aoe dd+snare) and keep dd+snare each one of them so they cant get to your support, and let the 2 heroes and the bm take care of the last healer after that healer is down...well pray that those savages will sit down and let you kill them....

Might be abit hard to understand but if you understand me then i think its a good tactic

 

[duact]

what if savages purge and instakill all your support?

 

[eemma]

true! then you could skip BM or 1 of hero for a second mana eld and both mana eld Aoe dis aoe str/con defbuff savages DD+snare everyone single one of them! but doesnt metter if they purge root cuz you still have mezz to keep them in place untill at least shammy/ 1 healer is down! and they wont get rezz cuz they still have pet on them! ofc you will need to keep all healers interrupted for this to work... and keep spread out so they cant insta aoe mezz/stun but if they do! PURGE dont hasitate!

btw im not saying it will work! only saying it might! it works once against NP in last patch... altho the tactic was abit different then this one!

 

[schinkaar]

I dont know, i havent met them ever i think but proboly yes

 

[athenea]

were thinking about a tactic to kill savage group,will try soon in RvR,hope met JH.

1 sorc 2 clerics 1 mincer 1 pally 3 deter tanks

vs

3 healers 3 savages 1 skald 1 shammy.


nooone change in group only in the tactic will post that after probe it .




Athenea Baby sorc <FC>.

 

[schinkaar]

sos paly on interrupt (or have clerics singelsmite/sorc mezz when chance) and mincer on interrupt then gank away at last healer.

 

[athenea]

without count RAs as on.

 

[schinkaar]

hmm this sounds exciting tell

 

[skile]

Get a saracen armsman with 50 shield and MoB5 to guard your support. Also get him det4-5 and purge, and well. Savage will do aprox 50% less damage, gives you more time to kill support.

 

[parzi]

yeh, then also the pally could run with the mercs and pop bt and slam for them
p.s. lol @ mob5^^ anyone got that ?

 

[AbPoon]

I have master of parry 5

 

[kin]

Originally posted by skile
Get a saracen armsman with 50 shield and MoB5 to guard your support. Also get him det4-5 and purge, and well. Savage will do aprox 50% less damage, gives you more time to kill support.

You cannot outguard 3 assisting savages.

I think 50 shiled style brutalize can be used after a guard, and
its somewhat better for a guard tank than slam then.

 

[parzi]

you can not completely block them ofc but a lot of hits, especially unstyled offhand hits coming from hybrid weapskill, even if dual wield has a bonus vs blocking.
when i duell high rr warriors they block a fair amount of hits at least ;p

 

[soru]

Originally posted by kin
So your saying that the higest sorc and the third higest merc
on excalibur is noobs ?

question :

Is kin the same one as Kinad or Kinyt ingame? Think so.
I see you whine as much onhere as you whine ingame

Was in your group a few times and sometimes you run out with one or no clerics, sorcerer (you) not leading the group etc etc...
Its indeed hard to fight mids and hibs (no other realms than those tbh) thats whats makes it a nice challenge.

I often see Black Falcons / First Cohort / The Brethren win vs your so called -impossible to defeat groups- as you like to call them.
So they must be doing something different then what you guys are doing?
Or is it just pure luck of them they win vs fotm groups?

o, and btw : realm points do NOT equal skill !

 

[Puppetmistress]

All those Mids talking.....

* There is no Alb or Hib class who can even come close to the damage a savage can (and does) deal. 1300 damage in less then 3 seconds on my druid from a h2h-savage happined quite a few times. It doesnt happen all the time, but it happens. No Alb or Hib class can outdamage them during the time frame of a fg vs. fg fight.

* Savages have self endurance-regen so they dont depend as heavily on that. Once again no other pure tank has this benefit

* Shammies have insta PBAoE disease on a 8 sec timer basically making sure everybody is diseased atleast once during your average fight. Both Hib and Alb have disease on a cloth-caster (not insta). No immunity to disease, it's duration as well as its snare-component make this an important matter.

* Insta ranged interrupt (haste-debuff) on healer, great tool for making the enemy healer useless (besides MOC). Once again Albs and Hibs have this tool too, but again on a cloth caster.

* Frontload damage speed-bringer. The skald is excellent for frontloading damage in the assist-tankteam. Minstrel cant give out that much frontload damage, bard is only running for his life trying to keep end-chant (with his drum) up.

* Specialization. Albion has the sorc who's pretty much useless after the initial mezz. He can do some weak nukes but in terms of damage-dealing he's not a great player. Same goes for minstrel. For Hibernia the bard provides CC and end-regen and speed, after that he does not inflict damage. Look at the pac-healer (44pac/30mend) he can still provide backupheals (even the 1st spreadheal). Skald does frontload-damage in /assist.

Leaving RA's out of the show for abit it's pretty clear Midgard can make the group with the most offensive damage-dealing as well as more healing (also due to the fact 3 lines of healers are all pretty OK for RvR).

When you just look at that it's pretty clear most Alb and Hib group needs RA's to win from a well playing Mid-group. It also doesnt take a genius to see the realms are not balanced in fg RvR.

 

[PJS]

best way to win vs savage group is ....

hide until they get bored and suicide on realm guards

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress

When you just look at that it's pretty clear most Alb and Hib group needs RA's to win from a well playing Mid-group. It also doesnt take a genius to see the realms are not balanced in fg RvR.

alb groups do yes i agree, hib groups can compete equally with savage groups, well IG/VGN/LA can.