Film Batman: Dark Knight Rises

[TdC]

Yeah back from this tonight, Teedles is a bag of homo.

A couple of minor gripes:

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Miranda's surprise allegience twist. Never saw that one coming.

OH COME ON! I saw that coming miles off ffs. and you dare to call me full of fail?

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That shot of Batman dodging and weaving in the balck sewers, lit sporadically by the gunfire (brilliant concept and realisation of it).

imo blatantly stolen from the Aliens tunnels scenes, but hey :0
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It wasn't a nationalistic thing; it's a hope thing. Their flag (rightly or wrongly) is ingrained with the notion of hope. A theme that plays a big part in the film.

No, that would make for an unfocused, incoherent mess.

zzzzwhut? and my alternative is unfocused and incoherent? you really don't get it at all

 

[Wazzerphuk]

imo blatantly stolen from the Aliens tunnels scenes, but hey :0

It's realised so much better, I watches Aliens on Sunday so I have a really fresh comparison. The movement and tone of the scene in DKR is so much more effective, probably because you're drawn into Batman's eyes as he moves.

zzzzwhut? and my alternative is unfocused and incoherent? you really don't get it at all

I get it, but it'd be shit. It'd feel like the film was ending for the entire second half. It would have lacked a focal tension point (the whole

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Will he die, will he live? Without this the audiences wouldn't care. In a normal film that kind of approach would work, but not in a Batman film - he's the heart of it and to cull him from half the movie just wouldn't make sense).

 

[old.Tohtori]

Forgot to mention this;

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Too much of the stuff was made US-clear(that's worse then crystal clear). They could've kept the robin name out of it and insinuate it other ways, like the receptionist saying ""Oh i've always liked birds"(stupid exampke but point still), leave the autopilot remark out as such a clear bit and use "after cridets" bit to show how alfred sits down in the cafe, looks up and then just smiles.

Many bits in the movie were too explained i feel, which might've also resulted in some bits being over-drawn. No need to explain that the escapee climbed without a rope, he could've climbed up and then remove the rope just before the jump as a self-realisation. Now it was clear he wasn't falling when he started climbing without it.

Rambling a bit, but i think it's not an unfair judgement.

 

[old.user4556]

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The latter. Pay more attention. The autopilot was fixed. She had her program to wipe her clean. Both then essentially no longer exist, so both get the fresh start they wanted and needed as people.

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I was paying attention and was aware of the autopilot, but it was definitely ambiguous on purpose

 

[Yoni]

Great ending to the series, few things I could moan about, however they were completely overridden by all the good stuff. I am surprised TdC usually you are on the ball as far as poor movies go, however in this instance you were oh so wrong.......

 

[Wazzerphuk]

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Now that Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy has come to a conclusion with The Dark Knight Rises, everyone is talking and debating the meaning of the end of the film, and what happens to Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character John Blake. So let me break it down for you and explain, including perhaps the one obvious thing that everyone seems to have missed so far. Read on! But be warned, here there be SPOILERS!

First of all, let me clear one thing up right away — yes, Bruce Wayne really is still alive at the end. For some reason that escapes me, a segment of fans are insisting it’s “open to interpretation” whether Bruce actually is sitting in that cafe, or if it’s just Alfred’s imagination. But there should be no confusion, the shot of Bruce at the cafe comes amid a montage of scenes showing each person close to Bruce finding out a bit of information revealing Bruce survived the nuclear blast. Lucius finds out Bruce secretly did repair the autopilot on “the Bat,” Gordon finds a repaired bat-signal on the roof of the MCU (contrary to some reviewer’s misunderstanding, Gordon didn’t repair it himself, he walks up and looks shocked to find the new bat-signal, runs a hand over it, grins, and looks around, all in the montage about Bruce’s actions), John Blake gets a big bag full of equipment and a GPS locator, and Alfred gets Bruce’s money and then sees Bruce at the cafe. Bruce’s arc ends with him finally being able to move on with his life, and without that fulfillment Bruce would actually have no true character arc (getting his back fixed and climbing out of the hole to fight Bane again is not a full arc, for those inclined to say the climb out of the pit is the major point in his arc).

Now, I’ll move on to the main question about the film’s end, and the one most of you are probably still unsure about — what happens to Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character at the end, and who exactly will he become? I previously wrote, prior to the film’s release, my theory that the character John Blake would be Nolan’s version of Robin in this film, and it of course turned out to be pretty much true. Blake has the background of Tim Drake, for the most part (his father is murdered due to a gambling situation, and he later deduces Batman’s identity while still a young kid), but then grows up to have Dick Grayson’s adult life (being a police officer and ally of Batman who has dealt with the tragedy in his childhood in a more productive and healthy way than Bruce dealt with his own tragedies, plus that whole chalk emblem, all adds up to a “realistic” incarnation of Nightwing). Then, we find out that his actual legal name is Robin. So I’d argue that yes, he definitely served the role of Robin in The Dark Knight Rises. Meaning he was ALREADY Robin, he isn’t going to become Robin in the future.

Who is he going to become, then? Obviously, Batman. I know most fans seem to feel Blake is going to continue being Robin, and will just now use a mask to disguise his identity — although, that would mean his “secret identity” is his actual literal first name! Nope, that isn’t the meaning of the end of the film. A major theme in the story is “Who was Batman? He was just Batman, the person under the mask doesn’t matter, because ANYBODY can be Batman!” We hear this several times, and it speaks back to the longstanding concept in the Nolan trilogy that a symbol is eternal and cannot be killed or destroyed, and that is what Batman became — an eternal symbol for Gotham, a symbol that would be anybody.

Then, Bruce gives Blake a bag full of equipment to help him locate the batcave, which still contains all of Batman’s equipment. Meanwhile, Gordon was given a brand new bat-signal to call Batman. With Blake getting a cave filled with bat-themed equipment and suits, and Gordon having a signal with the bat-emblem on it, that’s some additional strong evidence that Blake is indeed going to become a new Batman.

But there’s one final piece of evidence, and it’s the “big guns” in my argument. I’ve not seen anyone mention this yet, despite how powerful the imagery is. Consider…

What is the very last shot in the film? It’s Blake, stepping forward in the batcave as the big platform comes up out of the water to lift him into the air toward the Batman equipment that we can see in the distance. The platform lifts Blake out of sight, turning the screen black. And what comes next? The title: The Dark Knight RISES.

Yep, that title has many meanings in the film, including Batman coming back from retirement, Batman climbing up out of the pit to save Gotham, Batman rising as a symbol of hope again in Gotham, and Batman’s general victory over Bane and over the tragedy in his own life. But it has one final meaning, symbolized extremely clearly in the final shot of the film when we see John Blake step forward and that platform RISING to lift him to claim the legacy of Batman that Bruce has passed on to him. The Dark Knight will rise again, with someone else taking up the mantle to keep the symbol alive.

You simply cannot ignore the overt imagery of Blake rising on that platform followed by the title appearing on screen. Notice that Nolan’s films always leave the title until the very end of the movie. That’s where the title of each film has its final, full embodiment: from the announcement that Batman has begun; to the proclamation that Batman is Gotham’s dark knight protecting the city; and lastly to Batman rising to his final, firm status in Gotham as an incorruptible symbol that cannot be killed.

While of course people are free to interpret the story and the end of the film however they wish, I feel that there’s too much importance in the symbolism of that final scene, and in Blake having already served the role of Robin before moving on to serve as the man who will keep Batman’s legend alive. Without those things, the story has a gap and doesn’t truly come full circle with all of the themes of the trilogy. Just as Bruce being alive is necessary for his arc to be fulfilled, so to is it necessary for Batman’s arc and Blake’s arc to be fulfilled by John Blake assuming the mantle as Batman.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

http://www.justpressplay.net/articl...influential-to-qthe-dark-knightq-trilogy.html

 

[MYstIC G]

you dare to call me full of fail?

You left an open ended quote bracket in that post.

YOU ARE FULL OF FAIL!

 

[old.user4556]

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So, does this mean the plane takes off the conveyor belt?

 

[Wazzerphuk]

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[DaGaffer]

Really enjoyed it, ties up the trilogy very well.

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Lots of nice nods to the classic comics, Knightfall and DKR in particular, even a Killer-croc gag. Have to admit I didn't pick up on the "Robin" thing until the end (I knew he was going to be Batman II, just didn't realise he was already Robin I).

 

[TdC]

You left an open ended quote bracket in that post.

YOU ARE FULL OF FAIL!

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

 

[MYstIC G]

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

I press reply a bunch of times, because the forum software is shit, it has no idea what to do with quoted and spoilered text. I am not culpable for the failings of others (which is basically why I can associate with the likes of you and Chet and not be tainted )!

I just pressed it 5 time and all of the above (even though posted by you) are fine... USER FAIL

 

[TdC]

hehe you didn't do what I did

 

[Olgaline]

saw it last night, I rate it a solid "meh guess it's ok"

 

[TdC]

yay!

 

[Turamber]

Enjoyable enough but a long, long way from "great". Plot holes, a continuation error and lots of full on action. Sadly there was very little heart or emotion in it which, given the subject matter, was odd. And the ending was utterly obvious and completely predictable.

This Batman didn't rise, he sank into a pit and should be left there.

 

[Sar]

Saw it last weekend, loved it. Whole trilogy was brilliant tbh, cracking trio of films.

 

[Turamber]

OH COME ON! I saw that coming miles off ffs. and you dare to call me full of fail?

Indeed, it may as well have been in flashing neon on top of a skyscraper. Ditto with the end, all incredibly mundane and obvious. I'm not saying it was a bad film, the action was very good... but it was also relentless with very little emotional investment in the characters and some bits that made zero sense.

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Bane tells us he grew up in darkness...then thirty minutes later it turns out there was a huge shaft to the surface with the light and the sense of freedom tormenting the prisoners. He also didn't grow up in the prison, that was just misdirection away from the flashing neon on top of the skyscraper.

 

[Bigmac]

Just watched this, good movie but I still think the second one was better.

 

[Yaka]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V4nUxXL8txA#
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[Tom]

Good film, enjoyed it.

I want a motorbike with wheels that can rotate sideways.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Good film, enjoyed it.

I want a motorbike with wheels that can rotate sideways.

With the guns spinning with it?

 

[soze]

I liked this film except for Banes voice at times I could not even understand him and it really stopped me enjoying the film I am afraid. But excluding the hatred I felt for that the story was a brilliant ending to the trilogy.

 

[Poag]

Really? I found Bane exceedingly easy to understand at all times. Sometimes i felt they were actually trying to be funny as his voice was so clear....especially with that thing stuck to his face.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I wonder, that if Heath hadn't died, would they have shoehorned the Joker into the third movie just because "everyone thought he was totes craycray!"

I'd give it a solid 86% chance.

 

[PLightstar]

Enjoyed the film, went thinking its a third comic book movie, thus being terrible (Spiderman 3, Xmen 3, etc) and came out quote surprised. Loved all the nods to the comics. Bane's voice worked really well in the end. Loved the fact that it had a proper ending for a Batman franchise, no mentor to new Batman (aka Batman Beyond) just a straight ending.

 

[Scouse]

Thought it was good. More ambitious than the other two films, didn't quite hit their heights tho.

Nice end. Tho it rankles with me that Bruce moves on and has a life. Bruce Wayne gets over it? Nevah

 

[DaGaffer]

I wonder, that if Heath hadn't died, would they have shoehorned the Joker into the third movie just because "everyone thought he was totes craycray!"

I'd give it a solid 86% chance.

Simple answer, yes, although like Cillian Murphy, it wasn't expected that the Joker would be the main character in the last film. Nolan has a lot of form when it comes to recasting his favourite actors and I have no doubt Heath Ledger would have popped up in lots of his films.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeap. It's a bit of misfortune fortune that he did shuffle off the mortal coil, well...hmm.

On one hand the shoehorning would've been gods awful.
On the other i would've loved more Joker screentime.
On the third hand(or leg), the guy would be alive.

Third point kind of trumps any enjoyment/rage issues one might have over one film.