Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Lakih]

The video is made by the far right wing propaganda machine, @Raven is absolutely right. I thought you where a lot better at checking sources @Scouse

 

[Scouse]

The video is made by the far right wing propaganda machine, @Raven is absolutely right. I thought you where a lot better at checking sources @Scouse

I don't think you checked the content of the video.

It was anti far-right, made by the guardian (a lefty paper). So hardly a far-right propaganda machine. And the website raven didn't even bother to link to was a swedish blog.

Thought you were better at checking what you were typing was more accurate Lakih?

Oh wait.

 

[Raven]

It was a made up one.

I know loads of Swedes, none of whom are racist and do not think they come from a racist country.

Like I said, lefty drivel designed to cause a storm in a tea cup, and do you know what? It has worked, everyone desperate to see racism everywhere has latched onto it.

You can google the levels of racism in any given country if you care to.

 

[Job]

I did, Craggy island has 1.

 

[Scouse]

It was a made up one.

I wondered about that.

So you admit to making up evidence in an attempt to win arguments on the internet. Nice.


Raven, really, you're getting too close to the arguments and are clearly full of rage if that's how you're acting. You're so full of rage that can't follow arguments at all and you're not reading posts...

 

[Raven]

No, I admit to not taking you or the Guardian particularly seriously.

You post a link to some shitty video that is doing the rounds, painting Swedes as racists. Every Swede who sees it calls it a load of bollocks (as do the stats) I don't need to prove that and even if I did I have better things to do than quote and reference what I say on a gaming forum, I have far better things to be doing with my time.

Stop with the mock indignation over every little piece of crap that comes out of the Guardian, their bred and butter is getting people upset over nothing.

 

[Scouse]

Wasn't even me who posted it.

*sigh*

Chill @Raven

 

[old.Osy]

Wasn't even me who posted it.

*sigh*

Chill @Raven

Agitator!!!111 To the bonfire with you !!1

 

[fettoken]

Denmark is actually paying a tidy sum to refugees to get them to go pack to their own country, literally. Up to 1300~ euros.

 

[fettoken]

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/10153766238276323/

From a "Sweden Democrat": "We are the elite in the country, people just don't know that yet". Haah! They are actually neo-nazis that suited up. They are thought to be the second largest "democratic" party in Sweden as of now.

The thing is, the government has done a shitty job at integrating newcomers to our country, often putting them in small societies where they have trouble being integrated, since there really are no demands put on them to become integrated, learn the language etc. As such, the Sweden democrats has gained a lot of votes from angry small-city peeps. Also, many previous immigrants hate them as well, becomes sort of a vicious circle.

FYI, the Swedish democrats were previously thugs and skinheads running around beating people with iron-pipes and shouting nazi stuff, because, it's well known that several of their party members have ties to neo-nazi peeps from all over the globe, they even got lectures from old nazi-leaders back in the days. BUT, now they have become sort of 'accepted' because so many have put a vote for em. They have cleaned up their act, but still, they are just backwards-assed hillbillys really. People voting for them are often close to illiterate when it comes to arguing politically, they are sort of slow-witted and frowned upon by the more intelligent and upstanding citizens.

There have been lots of torching refugee camps all around Sweden, not sure what that is going to accomplish really, but they are gaining a lot of ground on the foreign policy put up by our incompetent social democratic party.

But as one guy said: "Every party attracts douchebags, but how many can you help if you run out of money".

Also, the guy that attacked the school with a sword, it's one time occurrence these days, racial murder. If you look back 20 years, there were lots of racial murders from skinheads targeting black people. So, nothing that should be put any weight on.

 

[Scouse]

You're talking shit @fettoken - @Raven said it's all bollocks and evidenced his opinion it by pulling a random thought out of his ass.

 

[Raven]

UKIP are pretty big here too because they got their votors out to actually vote. In real terms the percentage of throwbacks is actually tiny. Pretty much every knuckle headed racist voted for them whereas most normal people didn't vote at all.

More people are only willing to sit on their arse and not vote yet bitch and moan than people are willing to vote for an ideal, regardless of how backward that ideal is. UKIP wouldn't even make the news if people actually voted. They would have still got X amount of votes but the percentage would be so small as to not mean anything at all.

 

[Scouse]

UKIP are pretty big here too because they got their votors out to actually vote. In real terms the percentage of throwbacks is actually tiny.

@fettoken hit the nail on the head about the swedish equivalent of UKIP voters - and why would they be any different? Humans are the same the world over:

Sweden democrats has gained a lot of votes from angry small-city peeps... People voting for them are often close to illiterate when it comes to arguing politically, they are sort of slow-witted and frowned upon by the more intelligent and upstanding citizens.

It's just a shame the average IQ is 100

 

[Raven]

Which is fine. The other parties need to also engage with the electorate or the minorities win (well not win, but make the overall result different) If everyone who did not think like the weirdos who voted UKIP at the general election voted for (someone else) then, like I say, UKIP would have won such a tiny percentage of the vote that it would mean nothing. But they did click with their supporters, which meant nearly all of their tiny amount of support actually voted.

As it stands now, I doubt Labour could even manage to finish second, which in their current state would be a good thing, because the only people they are engaging with are the sort of people who don't vote. They could have half the country behind them but it just wouldn't matter.

You can't force people to vote but then people can't get uppity about ultra right wing (or left) if they don't bother to do anything about it.

(But again, wrong thread )

 

[Scouse]

The other parties need to also engage with the electorate or the minorities win

Yeah. It's a shame though - having to engage with the majority of the population, when the average man on the street isn't capable of sustaining political discourse using anything more than retarded soundbites, is part of the reason politicians talk shit all the time

 

[Yoni]

As far as I am aware SD is not well liked. They are receiving votes in Sweden because other parties are ignoring the issue of integration and the increasing numbers of Romanians.

I actually laughed my tits off at that clearly barmy blond woman who didn't want to walk any further in to the 'area' because she was
'Scared.

I work in a suberb of Stockholm which is extremely diverse (Fittja) and yet i feel safer walking there than I ever did in the UK in any area I lived...

That video really is a fantabulous marketing tool for all the other parties in the country....

 

[fettoken]

I work in a suberb of Stockholm which is extremely diverse (Fittja)

If you remove the J from Fittja, it spells Fitta, which directly translates to Cunt. Not a hint, just wanted to point it out because it's somewhat funny.

I actually laughed my tits off at that clearly barmy blond woman who didn't want to walk any further in to the 'area' because she was
'Scared.

That video really is a fantabulous marketing tool for all the other parties in the country....

If you take a closer look, you notice she's clearly inbred. Also, never trust anyone that doesn't fit in a suit!

 

[Lakih]

I don't think you checked the content of the video.

It was anti far-right, made by the guardian (a lefty paper). So hardly a far-right propaganda machine. And the website raven didn't even bother to link to was a swedish blog.

Thought you were better at checking what you were typing was more accurate Lakih?

Oh wait.

I have seen the video. But taking that content, and thinking that, that's how it is in Sweden is like listening to Job's rantings and saying that "omg, UK is practicly a 100% muslim country, there's sharia law in effect in Birmingham (?)", and thinking that's the truth, which it is not.
So the video do in a way serve as a propaganda movie for the far right, even if it is made by a leftie newspaper. I have had that video, and other sources sent to me by American friends who are baffled and think that Sweden is falling apart asking if this is really what its like over there. And it rallies the racists and other assorted nuts who are eating it up for truth saying that "Look how bad it's become in Sweden, we can't have that happen here" - thus the movie becomes a propaganda movie for far right people.

Maybe I didn't worded it fancy enough for your liking, I know you LOVE to pick posts a part to find something to bitch about ("discuss"), but to be honest, I don't give two shits of what you think, in this case you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

Oh dear, not exactly the best way to get yourselves accepted in one of the only countries willing (or at least previously willing) to help you out.

 

[DaGaffer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

Oh dear, not exactly the best way to get yourselves accepted in one of the only countries willing (or at least previously willing) to help you out.

However, there was no official confirmation that asylum seekers had been involved in the violence. Commentators in Germany were quick to urge people not to jump to conclusions.

...unless your name is @Raven...

 

[Job]

Yup, this just stokes the fire, bring on the brown shirts.

 

[Raven]

...unless your name is @Raven...

If you bother to read the article, many that were arrested were carrying their asylum papers.

A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said

 

[DaGaffer]

If you bother to read the article, many that were arrested were carrying their asylum papers.

A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said

And later in the same article, it said that hadn't been confirmed.

 

[throdgrain]

Yep lets assume it wasn't true, then when the truth finally comes out we will have all forgotten about it

 

[DaGaffer]

Yep lets assume it wasn't true, then when the truth finally comes out we will have all forgotten about it

North Africans (from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia), not Syrians, Afghans or Eritreans. Not from this summer's influx. But hey they're all the same aren't they?

 

[Raven]

Yeah, thanks for the input.

What difference does it make? Who said anything about Syrians?

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah, thanks for the input.

What difference does it make? Who said anything about Syrians?

The thread title did.

 

[Lakih]

With recent talks in media and here I'd say it was implied.

 

[Raven]

The thread title did.

Read the thread title again.

 

[Raven]

With recent talks in media and here I'd say it was implied.

I didn't imply anything, I simply linked to a news report that suggested asylum seekers were being a bit rapey in Germany and that perhaps they shouldn't be so quick to bite the hand that feeds them.

Regardless of where they come from, it is not going to do them any good if the people of Germany decide they no longer want to take them in or look after them.