Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Scouse]

What working class jobs did Thatcher remove? Before you rant about the miners have you ever seen a poor ex-miner? I fucking haven't.

You should take a bike ride around north nottinghamshire...

 

[DaGaffer]

You said than most, not you. And I still don't accept it. It's not experiential rocket science. It's everyday life...

I think you're failing at English there. I said I have more insight than you (being a "child free" adult for quarter of a century and then a parent), and more than most people (for the same reasons). That doesn't mean you have less insight than most, it means you have less insight than me, and may have less insight than most, but I don't have any data to back that up, although I could certainly draw a normal distribution that wouldn't make you look good.

 

[Gwadien]

What working class jobs did Thatcher remove? Before you rant about the miners have you ever seen a poor ex-miner? I fucking haven't.

So pray tell, which working class jobs did she remove?

Poor Ex-Miner?

That's besides the point, wealth exclusively defining social class is purely an American construct.

My point is that these communities were removed, and the modern day replacements are working in the countless warehouses that we have across the country feeding the tertiary sector.

The problem is that the once well paying jobs have been replaced by jobs which aren't as well paid, usually minimum wage, hence why we have a dependence upon immigrants.

 

[DaGaffer]

Poor Ex-Miner?

That's besides the point, wealth exclusively defining social class is purely an American construct.

My point is that these communities were removed, and the modern day replacements are working in the countless warehouses that we have across the country feeding the tertiary sector.

The problem is that the once well paying jobs have been replaced by jobs which aren't as well paid, usually minimum wage, hence why we have a dependence upon immigrants.

All valid points, but that wasn't his question; fact is Thatcher accelerated a process that was already happening; British industry needed taking out the back and shooting in the head in the late 70s; she just provided the gun.

 

[Gwadien]

All valid points, but that wasn't his question; fact is Thatcher accelerated a process that was already happening; British industry needed taking out the back and shooting in the head in the late 70s; she just provided the gun.

His question was kind besides the point too, I wasn't attacking Thatcher, I didn't really want to bring up that whole debate; it was more about how is the Government today dealing with the fall out from previous years?

 

[Trem]

You should take a bike ride around north nottinghamshire...

A few points -

1. I would drive if I was going anywhere.
2. Why?
3. You do know I'm from Stoke don't you?
4. Stoke was/is home to many pits, pot banks and countless other "working class" jobs and all I have seen in the area is an improvement in the last 30 years.

His question was kind besides the point too, I wasn't attacking Thatcher, I didn't really want to bring up that whole debate; it was more about how is the Government today dealing with the fall out from previous years?

I never said you were attacking anyone, with your grand insight I wanted to know from your point of view which "working class" jobs were removed by Thatcher, you know, to enlighten me.

Edit - I have to keep editing, I'm getting fucking sick of my memory/typos etc. What I get pissed off with is peoples short memories, about present people in power. They moan and bitch about cuts but forget the utter mess the last government left us in, all they remember is living it up on credit and the brilliant state of affairs if you popped out 7 children.

I had other stuff but it's gone from my failing mind

 

[Scouse]

I have seen in the area is an improvement in the last 30 years.

1) All areas have improved in much the same way. It's called progress. What's the point in anything if at least *some* things aren't getting better?
2) Stoke may have improved even more than that because of the depths it was coming from, but it's still a hole.

 

[Trem]

1) All areas have improved in much the same way. It's called progress. What's the point in anything if at least *some* things aren't getting better?
2) Stoke may have improved even more than that because of the depths it was coming from, but it's still a hole.

Yes it is a hole but at least we know it is, unlike Scousers

Edit - wanted to do the wink smiley but its so shit it can fuck off

Edit again - So your point about riding around wherever was to see how it had improved in the last 30 years then? So you were agreeing with my first point then? You are a confusing tit sometimes you know

 

[Scouse]

Edit again - So your point about riding around wherever was to see how it had improved in the last 30 years then? So you were agreeing with my first point then? You are a confusing tit sometimes you know

The point was a response to you about poor ex-miners about poverty. Al those shitholes have improved, but they're still poor poverty-filled shitholes.

 

[DaGaffer]

I always thought Stoke was where the Scousers who got lost trying to find their way to London ended up.

 

[Trem]

The point was a response to you about poor ex-miners about poverty. Al those shitholes have improved, but they're still poor poverty-filled shitholes.

Have you ever seen a poor ex-miner (did 'pool have pits, I don't know?), I bloody haven't, not round here anyway.

I always thought Stoke was where the Scousers who got lost trying to find their way to London ended up.

Our accents are apparently similar but I don't see it, listen to Phil Taylor speak I guess, he doesn't sound scouse. In my mind I deeply want to sound like Jamie Carragher

 

[Scouse]

Have you ever seen a poor ex-miner (did 'pool have pits, I don't know?), I bloody haven't, not round here anyway.

They all retrained as window fitters around here.

Their pay is shit, but our windows are cheap

 

[DaGaffer]

Our accents are apparently similar but I don't see it, listen to Phil Taylor speak I guess, he doesn't sound scouse. In my mind I deeply want to sound like Jamie Carragher

Oh I do. There's a certain Stoke accent that has a slight Scousey twang to it, but then there's the other North Staffs accent which is a bit more Derbyshire sounding. Its a bit like the Manc nasal accent versus all the more Lancastrian accents you get around the edges of Manchester.

 

[Trem]

Oh I do. There's a certain Stoke accent that has a slight Scousey twang to it, but then there's the other North Staffs accent which is a bit more Derbyshire sounding. Its a bit like the Manc nasal accent versus all the more Lancastrian accents you get around the edges of Manchester.

Yes the Derbyshire I get, maybe that's me then. I have never called anyone duck in my life, perhaps I'm posh! You hear that @Scouse I'm posh you fucker, you had better buck your ideas up when talking to me

 

[throdgrain]

MAYBE SCOUSE IS JUST A FUCKIN JAFFA!!!

 

[Scouse]

MAYBE SCOUSE IS JUST A FUCKIN JAFFA!!!

It's funny. Lots of men I know who've had kids have had their nuts cut. Sort of a "never again" thing.

Now, they do this in full knowledge that a tiny percentage of them will live the rest of their life in ball-ache discomfort. And they also know that there are other methods of birth control.

It must, therefore, be that man's experience of bringing up children is so traumatic and horribly unrepeatable that some men are willing to literally disconnect their testicles rather than trust a woman to take a pill, or get rid, or shoot on her tits, or follow trem's mum's old addage: "One up bum - no harm done".


Me? Fuck that. Ain't no man coming near my nutsack with anything sharper than a watermelon.

 

[Moriath]

It's funny. Lots of men I know who've had kids have had their nuts cut. Sort of a "never again" thing.

Now, they do this in full knowledge that a tiny percentage of them will live the rest of their life in ball-ache discomfort. And they also know that there are other methods of birth control.

It must, therefore, be that man's experience of bringing up children is so traumatic and horribly unrepeatable that some men are willing to literally disconnect their testicles rather than trust a woman to take a pill, or get rid, or shoot on her tits, or follow trem's mum's old addage: "One up bum - no harm done".


Me? Fuck that. Ain't no man coming near my nutsack with anything sharper than a watermelon.

Attacks @Scouse with a rusty razor

 

[Trem]

Me? Fuck that. Ain't no man coming near my nutsack with anything sharper than a watermelon.

Explains your obsession with teabagging.

 

[TdC]

speaking of which, I am now marketing my own speciality blend Scrotea. I have several melanges for you to try.

 

[Job]

I don't sound scouse at all, firstly because I didn't grow up in Liverpool and secondly because my parents were proper posh and the recordings of me as s 5 year old I sound like Little lord of the manor.

 

[Raven]

God, imagine being cursed with a scouse accent?!

 

[Moriath]

A brum one isnt much better

 

[old.Osy]

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/10153766238276323/

 

[Scouse]

Same problem in Sweden as we've got in the UK - ghettos.

When countries accept asylum seekers and immigrants then a condition of entry (perhaps the only one) should have been the proximity that they can live to each other. I.E. No more than one immigrant family per street.

If you're going to integrate a people into your society then it means the indigenous population have to have you living next door and there should be structural impediments to immigrants congregating. It solves two big problems - the indignenous racism problem seen in that video and the immigrant integration problem.

But I guess it's too late. Multiculturalism kinda works but ghettos are the biggest problem.

 

[Raven]

That story has already been debunked as a load of scare mongering bollocks.

Its like saying the BNP have a say.

But yeah, ghetos are a problem, however, half the time they are a self made problem.

 

[Scouse]

That story has already been debunked as a load of scare mongering bollocks.

Link?

half the time they are a self made problem.

I presume you mean that the government has made a rod for it's own back by not managing the immigrant's totally natural and perfectly understandable instinct to make life easier for themselves by moving somewhere where they're understood and will have a ready-made non-judgemental support network?

 

[Raven]

You want government to decide where people live now?

 

[Scouse]

You want government to decide where people live now?

The government already decides where some immigrants live. If you're an asylum seeker then the government decides what what social housing is on offer.

You said that "it's a problem of their own making" (as you like to assign blame where there is none) without offering any solution. I was offering a solution. One that didn't involve "sending them back"



Edit: Glad to see eek7 is having a comeback tho

Edit edit: You got that link I asked for @Raven? Or were you just making stuff up?

 

[Raven]

AskaSwede.com. It's taken massively out of context by a rag with a vested interest in blowing this shit out of proportion, they might as well gone to an EDL rally and pinned their vile opinion on the rest of the UK. Every country has its own problems with right wingers (France would be a better example to get into a tiz over) But even then, the right wing minority have nothing to do with the general feeling of the French people.

Government do not decide where people live, councils do (But only social housing) Also, who is suggesting they are all sent back? Only the mad ones that actually want to live in a Caliphate should be sent to live in it, after all, its what they want isn't it? Genuine asylum seekers should be helped, but also made to understand that the need to leave any eye swivelry at the door.

I assign blame where it is due, there are far too many people quick to blame others for their own problems. Waaaa, the government aren't helping me enough, Waaaa I don't get enough hand outs, Waaaaa I hate the government, Waaaaa I want the government to control me, Waaaaa gays should be thrown off roofs, Waaaaaa.

*I used Eek because it seems right, though I am sure there was a more apt one but I couldn't find it.

 

[Scouse]

AskaSwede.com.

A wordpress blog? Really?

Even then I can't find the article.

Anyway, more seriously:

Government do not decide where people live, councils do

Councils are part of the government, and their guidance is centrally influenced.

Genuine asylum seekers should be helped, but also made to understand that the need to leave any eye swivelry at the door

You want government to mandate what people think now?

How's that even achieveable? How do you define "eye swivelry" - the exact definition of which would need to be sorted out if you wanted to implement that policy? And how are people supposed to know that they're proponents of said swivelry if they're unaware they're swivelers?


No. Just no. But the housing aspect of immigration could indeed be done, and be practical. Unfortunately to implement that now would be shutting the stable doors after the horse has bolted...

*I used Eek because it seems right, though I am sure there was a more apt one but I couldn't find it.

Nah. I've campained for the return of for a number of years now and @Deebs did the right thing