Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Moriath]

It's not because of the last one either.

Global financial crisis...

Which was exacerbated by labour spending every penny and more when we could have been making plans for when times were not so good. Instead we got ten pence tax rates and increased public spending

 

[Moriath]

Raise taxes. If you can't cut financial demand any further, increase supply.

Yes you can. Needs to be done early in a parliament in order to negate the bad feeling for the next ellection though. Imo

 

[Trem]

It's not because of the last one either.

Global financial crisis...

4 words and a comma just to give a couple of simple examples of how reckless Labour were with the countries funds.

Gold reserves, millenium dome

 

[Scouse]

Gold reserves, millenium dome

The sum of which is didlles mc piddles compared to the financial crisis (the seeds of which were actually sown by Thatcher, I'm not actually that sorry to say).

Yes, labour are a bit more profligate in their spending - but frankly the difference between them and the tories is paper thin. Would have happend just as badly under either shower of shit.

 

[Gwadien]

I love it how you all miss the point I was making.

I'm pointing out that you don't blame the fact that the NHS is over stretched and that there isn't enough school places on immigration.

 

[Moriath]

I love it how you all miss the point I was making.

I'm pointing out that you don't blame the fact that the NHS is over stretched and that there isn't enough school places on immigration.

But it doesnt help.

 

[Scouse]

I'm pointing out that you don't blame the fact that the NHS is over stretched and that there isn't enough school places on immigration.

Actually -it's the game the tories are quite happy to play because it's got the retards focussed on something other than their agressive (and unnecessary) ideological cutting.

 

[Gwadien]

Actually -it's the game the tories are quite happy to play because it's got the retards focussed on something other than their agressive (and unnecessary) ideological cutting.

I know, haha.

Seems it works even on the most intelligent people, eh.

 

[Bodhi]

I know, haha.

Seems it works even on the most intelligent people, eh.

Nice horse. What's the weather like up there?

 

[Trem]

The sum of which is didlles mc piddles compared to the financial crisis (the seeds of which were actually sown by Thatcher, I'm not actually that sorry to say).

Yes, labour are a bit more profligate in their spending - but frankly the difference between them and the tories is paper thin. Would have happend just as badly under either shower of shit.

Another two words which may help more on both fronts including this thread and which cost us billions and has nothing to do with the global financial crisis

Iraq Afghanistan

 

[Gwadien]

This thread has turned into a political blame game.

Let's not be pro-active and do the -right- thing.

I bet if I made a poll saying 'Shall we go to full out war with ISIS' the answers with this and that would correlate quite closely.

 

[Scouse]

Iraq Afghanistan

Again, at around £29-37bn, peanuts compared to the financial crisis. And the tories voted for the wars (and took us into Iraq first time around).

Like I said. I don't know why you get het up about either side. They're almost identical in terms of spending...

 

[Trem]

Again, at around £29-37bn, peanuts compared to the financial crisis. And the tories voted for the wars (and took us into Iraq first time around).

Like I said. I don't know why you get het up about either side. They're almost identical in terms of spending...

Yes the Tories did but for a much more valid reason.

I don't get het up, I get annoyed at short memories

 

[Embattle]

The EU Poll by Survation also asked many other questions including ones around Syria, in general there was concern about letting more migrants into the country but a majority also didn't support intervening in Syria either - http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf

 

[Scouse]

I don't get het up, I get annoyed at short memories

I remember fine. This is a conversation about finances. And the fact is that the mess we're in now is fuck all to do with labour's spending and, if anything, is more to do with thatcherite laissez-faire.

The economy doesn't work for us. It certainly doesn't work for asylum seekers - even though we now generate money at unheard of levels. What thatcher did was ensure that it goes increasingly into the hands of the few. So we've now limited ability to take these guys in and treat them like decent human beings fleeing war zones.

The money is there. Just not where it bloody well should be.

 

[Moriath]

I remember fine. This is a conversation about finances. And the fact is that the mess we're in now is fuck all to do with labour's spending and, if anything, is more to do with thatcherite laissez-faire.

The economy doesn't work for us. It certainly doesn't work for asylum seekers - even though we now generate money at unheard of levels. What thatcher did was ensure that it goes increasingly into the hands of the few. So we've now limited ability to take these guys in and treat them like decent human beings fleeing war zones.

The money is there. Just not where it bloody well should be.

Man you can say its the fault of pitt the younger. Every parliament is a result of the last and they all caused where we are today.

If you want to go back thirty years go for it.

 

[Scouse]

If you want to go back thirty years go for it.

Takes a while for wealth inequalities to build up due to a woeful lack of appropriate regulation. I go back thirty five years because it is correct to do so.

 

[Job]

Care about them today, rounding them up into camps tomorrow.

 

[Moriath]

Takes a while for wealth inequalities to build up due to a woeful lack of appropriate regulation. I go back thirty five years because it is correct to do so.

Correct because you say so. To support your argument. Not mine i think its crap to go back that far. The national lottery was after thatcher and that put billions into the economy.

I lime how your arguements ate always definitive like no one elese is worthy to discuss against it.

 

[Gwadien]

Care about them today, rounding them up into camps tomorrow.

You know, just because you're a fascist doesn't mean the rest of us are.

 

[Moriath]

You know, just because you're a fascist doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Thats not facism. Thats popular media culture. Learn the difference.

Facist would just burn them before they got here

 

[Gwadien]

Thats not facism. Thats popular media culture. Learn the difference.

Facist would just burn them before they got here

You know, I once knew this girl who could hear conversations from like 50 metres away, and she'd instantly dive in with an opinion on E V E R Y T H I N G

You really remind me of her

 

[Moriath]

You know, I once knew this girl who could hear conversations from like 50 metres away, and she'd instantly dive in with an opinion on E V E R Y T H I N G

You really remind me of her

You know i once knew a guy who thought he knew everything., except that he was a dick

You remind me of him

 

[Job]

So Israel won't be taking any immigrants...in fact they're building a fence.
Often wondered what would happen if half the local muslim world just turned up and surrounded Israel

 

[Raven]

They have a very short memory, obviously.

 

[DaGaffer]

4 words and a comma just to give a couple of simple examples of how reckless Labour were with the countries funds.

Gold reserves, millenium dome

Millennium Dome was started under the Tories.

 

[Scouse]

I lime how your arguements ate always definitive like no one elese is worthy to discuss against it.

What a crock of shit.

If you don't like the idea that the unregulated capitalism brought in under thatcher and regan resulted in the huge inequalities and runaway profligate lending that ultimately led to the global crash then that's fine by me.

However - provide a credible alternative explanation instead of whining like a baby and saying 'no one can discuss against it'. DO IT. Nobody is stopping you in the slightest. Short of a weird random ban nobody can.

Seems to me that you don't have a credible argument. Or you wouldn't be going off on tangents and waffling about the lottery (which has fuck all to do with anything and brought in under Major).

 

[Embattle]

I lime how your arguements ate always definitive like no one elese is worthy to discuss against it.

Not true, you can argue against it but it gets boring listening to the same record repeat so to counter it I just play my own record which basically sees Scouse as little more than a champagne socialist which generally only happens when he veers into any area regarding capitalism, tax, etc.

This thread does appear to be going some what off track in places....but what's new eh

On the subject of refugees and what they will cost, yes there will be a cost involved no matter how small you consider it in the grand scheme of things but for the moment the government is going to redirect some of the aid bill towards it.

 

[Trem]

Millennium Dome was started under the Tories.

Yes it was, but not on the money sucking scale Blair turned it into. Major wanted a small thing, Blair wanted a dome the size of his ego.

 

[Embattle]

Yes it was, but not on the money sucking scale Blair turned it into. Major wanted a small thing, Blair wanted a dome the size of his ego.

Surely it would of been placed on the Moon then