Apocalypse Dudes/The Brethen... turning the tides for Excalibur?

[katt!]

yeh this pisses me off too.

hibs and mids have plenty of crap players too.

and they should rvr more. not enough mobile rps for albs imo :d

 

[laaken]

I swear to god laaken is my fucking clone, get so pissed when people add, and whine like a bitch 24/7

Hi soulmate!

 

[Glottis]

@ those Mids and Hibs who keep bitching about Albs..
Get some sense please.
No guild from Hibernia or Midgard could hack it playing Albion. You guys claiming otherwise is just silly.
@ Vodkafairy...
You can talk all you want about a hib tank group being just as good as an Alb tank group, but I said that a hib tank group is not the ideal hib group.
Hibernia the magical realm, Midgard the melee realm, and Albion is just the gimped realm.
Hibs will kick our ass in magic, Mids in melee. Oh yipee.
Stop talking nonsense about tank groups, pretty sure it can work, just like mid caster groups can work, but they are not ideal.
Regards, Glottis :kissit:

PS. Bitch some more about leeching with an archer, pretty pls...

 

[Gregorian]

yer AD r really turnin the tides
never seen sumone gettin so worked up and yellin all kinda nasty things at ppl who "add" in emain, in primetime, at locations like amg or mmg

tbh we should declare primetime emain to a 16ppl zone and only allow FG vs FG fights so all the fotm guilds can grow a bigger ego and mouth :wub:

 

[Hanni]

Gregorian <Guardians of Light> the Level 50 Paladin in Emain Macha <AFK>

 

[Belomar]

Hmm, Vodkafairy flipped out, how lame. Expected more.

 

[Taen]

tbh anyone who moans at ppl adding in emain at primetime are a bit much .. what i dont understand is why all these ppl who want 1fg Vs 1fg RvR dont go to odins or HW at primetime ... and take the mid/hib grps who want the same with them .. but i suppose there isnt enough easy rps in those places for ye ?
Im not a fan of primetime zerg so i dont play primetime .. its that easy.

 

[Karnat]

Think Taen u got a point there really.
Emain is all about zerg on primetimes so an interesting idea is if 8v8 ppl went HW more, bit less adds etc. Pity is taht if it became a good place for 8v8 with nice action etc zerg would most probably move there also

 

[Divinia]

Yeah! (I've decided to take this at face value, btw. ) Our guild is quite large, so we are naturally capable of forming FotM groups as well, but we don't have many experienced RvR players (and the ones we have are a bit stubborn, like that guy playing a Cabalist ).

That damn guy playing that damn cabalist hurts

 

[Aeicaan]

I thought the typical hib group was a caster group?
There is 1 fgh running around as a tank group, the rest is mainly pbaoe based.
My argument still holds, the BM group would not be the optimal group for Hibernia really. Why would Mids go with a caster group when they have savages?
Regards, Glottis

and why would albs run a zerg every fookin day? (not every alb ofc) but 90% of em

 

[Aeicaan]

dmg output bm>merc coz of 1 thing.. tw and also tw>dt yes ofc warden r maybe spamming grp bt but that still 3 healing classes!!
think that was all...


ps: if an alb grp want a bt in there grp they have to take out 1 merc coz taking out a cleric, the mincer, the pala or the sorc is not an option means only 2 det tank. yes i know a pala can still tank but they hit for nearly nothing dmg even with spamathyst slash, but what does that coz they can slam, but hib can get that too if the change a bm with a hero and a hero got det!!

no? dt>tw is used right and.... Yea warden stands there and spam grp bt ofc, thats their job ofc
and theurg is one of the best interrupter ingame atm and a good theurg can easy make the alb grp win cuz of stlong pets

and bard isnt much of a healing char

 

[Harle]

Yea warden stands there and spam grp bt ofc, thats their job ofc

uhm, wtf ?

 

[judas]

no? dt>tw is used right and.... Yea warden stands there and spam grp bt ofc, thats their job ofc
and theurg is one of the best interrupter ingame atm and a good theurg can easy make the alb grp win cuz of stlong pets

and bard isnt much of a healing char

a dead theurg is still a dead theurg tho.
and hib has 4rezzers atleast and alb only 3.

 

[swords]

yer AD r really turnin the tides
never seen sumone gettin so worked up and yellin all kinda nasty things at ppl who "add" in emain, in primetime, at locations like amg or mmg

tbh we should declare primetime emain to a 16ppl zone and only allow FG vs FG fights so all the fotm guilds can grow a bigger ego and mouth :wub:

Went Odins yesterday, as did AD (since Odins is historically the place where FG v FG happened) yet upon loggin in there (BoB have been running Odins for months now) Outlaw and co were there, a SS group were there, a random group was there....ASq were there....you get the picture?

Oh and the now daily Hib Consantior shroom fest at the AMG.

I'd love to be able to go to HW and fight stuff, but for some odd reason all you ever find are:

A) Soloers
B) small groups of 3-4
C) KEEP TAKE ZERG GIVF DF

Ganking soloers and smaller numbers isnt fun (for either side)
likewise being ganked by a keep zerg isnt fun.

Well thats my whine over with.

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

Went Odins yesterday, as did AD (since Odins is historically the place where FG v FG happened) yet upon loggin in there (BoB have been running Odins for months now) Outlaw and co were there, a SS group were there, a random group was there....ASq were there....you get the picture?

We went to HW for a while yesterday, didnt get a lot of RPS but it was damned fun ! Ganked a few of the hib-df-keep-raid-force ... We where 5s too late for beno-defense... I mean, I was on the 'step' of the doors when they closed infront of me (would have been SO cool if we had gotten in right before it got captured, bugger, better luck next time)

After that we killed 19 of them @ surs... Was funny... Schrooms are teh spawn of Satan !

Later after hibs got surs, we killed a group infront of surs... TWICE that was SOOOO funny We ran up @ surs, pbaoe'd a few, ran away... Waited 2-3 minutes, and did it again !


In the end we ended up with 'only' 28k for the evening, but it was DAMNED fun

 

[swords]

Sadly our Tank group isnt very well adapted to taking on more than 2FG nor keep sieges (until frontiers ofc )

I do reckon if Odins is as bad as it was yesterday we will probably end up there. Since 90% of bob hates Emain.

 

[Puppet]

"It has nothing to do with skill, but only with much greater damage output by Midgard or Hibernia." <- plz tell me, how exactly does BM groups containing: bard, druid, druid, warden/druid, hero, bm, bm. do more dmg than a albgroup that contains:
merc, merc, merc, cleric, cleric, mincer, pally, sorc.. albs only weakness there as i can see it is resistbuffs and clothwearer (and instamezz)... nothing with dmg output.. do u really play in groups?

Ehm well lets see:

Hib:

Bard
Druid
Druid
Warden
Hero (guard)
BM
BM
BM (you list 7 Hibs; surely thats a flaw)

versus:

Alb

Sorc
Cleric
Cleric
Mincer
Pally
Merc
Merc
Merc


Right out of the box the Hib-group will do more damage because of:
a) Spec Haste; increasing dmg on the BM's with approx. 10-15% (this can approx be compensated by spec-AF)
b) Triplewield; adding another amount of damage
c) Damage add from warden
d) Armour-resistants: The Hib-group can go pierce on the BM's resulting in max damage on 3 mercs, mincer, 2 clerics (and be neutral to sorc). Only problem will be the paladin who doesnt oppose a great thread in terms of damage-output. Albs will have to choose: Will we do great damage to the Blademaster and Bard, resulting in sucky damage to druid/warden/hero (= crush damage) or be neutral to all (thrust) or suck versus BM/bard (go slash).

When you add in realmabilities like SOS and BOF well Albs should win; but right out of the box the Hib-team in melee does more damage.

Also dont forget to mention that this Hib-group has better resists (16% cold/heat, 8% matter, 24% body/spirit/energy), PBT, more interrupt-tools (2 druid pets), very good CC (AE mezz (insta/casted), AE root (insta)), arguebly better guard (paladin versus hero) and more healing-tools/rezz-tools (4 versus 2).

 

[Stallion]

lol GoL ppl... Q_Q

wonder why AD would yell at you? Yes I wonder!

 

[Puppet]

Damn you're clueless, no wonder albs run around in gimp groups, your views are pretty fucked up sometimes, seriously.

First, hib support is vulnerable to slash, which happens to be the most used weapon type for a merc. Slash has one of the highest dmg anytime and rear styles in daoc. Just so you know, two druids and a warden. A bard has slash resistant armour, yes, but drops like a sack of shit anyways once you got it pf'd.

Still beats me how this is better then a pierce BM who meets vulnerable armour on 2x clerics, 3x merc and 1x mincer and neutral on sorc... Slash has one of the highest dmg anytimes; well surely you dont rely on anytimes right ? Blademaster has a very good rear-style (snow shower; oh it even has a snare if Prevent Flight doesnt proc) and a very good side-chain which has a medium stun in it . Combined with a bmf (broodmother fang) + haste this allows for more damage then a merc does on avg.

Second, a bard heals for fuck all. Wardens dont spam group pbt. Wardens either interrupt a bit or heal which is decent against albs but not mids cus of dis etc.

Agreed on the bard thing; but a warden has VERY good healing abilities against the average Alb tankgroup. With no disease; and the right-spec (a warden can interrupt without any weaponspec if he wanted to) some RA's ánd 3 relics a warden heals single target the same as a druid/cleric often even having a better single-target heal..... If you got some decent druids they will keep curing the target where the Mid assist train is on and you got effectively 3 healers.

Third, what the fuck kind of comparison are you making? 10/8 sec pbt is pretty much worthless in tank groups so just keep the mincer in.

Theurgist also adds interrupts with pets; /assist nuking and damage-add + haste. Certainly more valuable then a 3rd merc; as prooven by Public Enemies on Prydwen.

Alb tank groups can and will be a very tough opponent for any other hib/mid group. But of course its easier to just invite 3 pallies, some mincers, no clerics ofc, and run 5 fg. Try making a decent group and make some semi fixed group or else you'll never learn. :|

Hib-tankgroups are not top of the bill; that would be a PB-group. But saying a Hib-tankgroup aint viable is bollocks. With the right tools and the right players you can do pretty well.

 

[lofff]

Too long posts lose their appeal at 2nd/3rd line

 

[Stallion]

I should get the number of replies added here onto my status

 

[Vodkafairy]

Still beats me how this is better then a pierce BM who meets vulnerable armour on 2x clerics, 3x merc and 1x mincer and neutral on sorc... Slash has one of the highest dmg anytimes; well surely you dont rely on anytimes right ? Blademaster has a very good rear-style (snow shower; oh it even has a snare if Prevent Flight doesnt proc) and a very good side-chain which has a medium stun in it . Combined with a bmf (broodmother fang) + haste this allows for more damage then a merc does on avg.

4 sec stun is like 2 hits, and yea the back style is good, but in the current age of strafing and doing everything u can not to get styled on, positionals are useless. The only hope you got as a tank is to spam an anytime and hope it hits :x When you meet a bm assist train don't try to run when you're snared..

Agreed on the bard thing; but a warden has VERY good healing abilities against the average Alb tankgroup. With no disease; and the right-spec (a warden can interrupt without any weaponspec if he wanted to) some RA's ánd 3 relics a warden heals single target the same as a druid/cleric often even having a better single-target heal..... If you got some decent druids they will keep curing the target where the Mid assist train is on and you got effectively 3 healers.

Yes a warden is good... curing dis soaks mana like there's no tomorrow and healing against a half decent savage assist train is fucking pointless, you cast one cure and the target is already dead. Against albs, yes, they are good. But you got heal proc

Theurgist also adds interrupts with pets; /assist nuking and damage-add + haste. Certainly more valuable then a 3rd merc; as prooven by Public Enemies on Prydwen.

Then add a bloody theurgist, lol, then you get dmg add, haste, and fucking uber interrupt in your group. Now you mention it yeah a theurg is good, so how is this a bad thing for albs?

Hib-tankgroups are not top of the bill; that would be a PB-group. But saying a Hib-tankgroup aint viable is bollocks. With the right tools and the right players you can do pretty well.

LOL

Erm, exactely where did I say hib tank groups aren't viable, and where did I say I have any problems with hib tank groups? I'm a bit bothered by so many albs thinking "o we r gimped s0w we z3rg dem biaaatches" while that's bullshit. Sure you might not be the best, you may lose a lot, but fucks sake that aint an excuse to create a cg to completely destroy any hib or mid that sticks his face in emain.

 

[Vodkafairy]

We went to HW for a while yesterday, didnt get a lot of RPS but it was damned fun ! Ganked a few of the hib-df-keep-raid-force ... We where 5s too late for beno-defense... I mean, I was on the 'step' of the doors when they closed infront of me (would have been SO cool if we had gotten in right before it got captured, bugger, better luck next time)

After that we killed 19 of them @ surs... Was funny... Schrooms are teh spawn of Satan !

Later after hibs got surs, we killed a group infront of surs... TWICE that was SOOOO funny We ran up @ surs, pbaoe'd a few, ran away... Waited 2-3 minutes, and did it again !


In the end we ended up with 'only' 28k for the evening, but it was DAMNED fun

And respect to you for being the only albs that showed up to defend xD

The others just kept on ruining the fun for everyone else with their stlong emain cg ;p

 

[Thire]

ahhhhhh so much text VF, my eyes hurt

 

[Vodkafairy]

ahhhhhh so much text VF, my eyes hurt

im trying to make it look like i actually mean the stuff i say here

 

[Stallion]

I smell postfarm..

 

[Vodkafairy]

I smell postfarm..

nooo :x

i'm participating in a discussion... honest.. :x

 

[Thire]

nooo :x

i'm participating in a discussion... honest.. :x

make that the cat wise (not allowed to speak dutch, so ill just translate it into english without making any sense)

 

[Stallion]

I might have overlooked FC... they played really really well yesterday, I was suprised.. althou it was me playing crap aswell...

 

[Thire]

yes was a great fight there on the border of breif/gorge, we were winning untill you all mocced