No idea Another Selfish Suicide? (Germanwings Crash)

[Moriath]

There is no fucking thought Proccess!

Someone who's state of mind is so outside reality that they feel the need to end their own life is not thinking in any way resembling something a sane person can understand.

The depths of actual REAL depression are fuckin nightmare of distorted perception and disconnection from reality.

The level of misunderstanding of mental illness in this thread is exactly what I have come to expect from this forum's ignorant, opinionated, uninformed cunts.

Even the title of the thread is woefully of the mark.

From a guy who wrote a book about depression. He said 'depression MAY make people want to harm themselves occasionally. But I have never known anyone want to hurt others.'

Depression you want to take yourself away from the pain. I been there and go there still. It's horrible. But never have I thought of hurting other people.

This blame it on depression thing has lead to such crass headlines and puts a very wrong spin on exactly what depression is.

 

[leggy]

Even the title of the thread is woefully of the mark.

If you took the time to read the link you'd see that I was speculating when there were no other facts available. Other than speculation that the Pilot appeared to be locked out deliberately. And like @Gwadien says.... it has a fcking question mark!

Wind your neck in chap.

 

[leggy]

"There's not much plane debris left," police spokesman Xavier Vialenc was quoted by AFP news agency as saying. "There's mainly a lot of body parts to pick up."

Nice :/

 

[DaGaffer]

There is no fucking thought Proccess!

Er, clearly there is. Locking someone out of the cockpit is a pre-meditated act. It may not be a rational thought process, but it wasn't spur of the moment either; sounds like he had a quite a while to ponder his actions before he smeared himself and 150 others all over the scenery.

 

[russell]

How many suicidal people take others with them? I always imagined the pain of life being too much to bear so they end it for themselves... But to take 150 random others and become a mass murderer. Surely that is more than depression? Rumours are now coming out about a torn up sick note as he was supposed to be off work that day... Not sure how accurate these are, but that indicates pre meditation. It's frightening.

 

[Moriath]

Agree depression doesn't count for this.

 

[Job]

Knock Knock.
Who's there?

Spoiler

The Pilot

 

[old.user4556]

 

[old.Tohtori]

Knock Knock.
Who's there?

Spoiler

The Pilot

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Too.
Too who?
Too Who is my cousin, this is Too Soon.

 

[Job]

I find it incredible that doctors are not obliged to inform licensing bodies of individuals condition, my doctor told me to stop driving for 6 months but he just told me to tell the DVLA, he was under no legislation to tell them himself and I simply could have ignored him ad I suspect many thousands do.

 

[TdC]

I find it incredible that doctors are not obliged to inform licensing bodies of individuals condition, my doctor told me to stop driving for 6 months but he just told me to tell the DVLA, he was under no legislation to tell them himself and I simply could have ignored him ad I suspect many thousands do.

this is that fabled privacy stuff you may have read about. the doctor discussing your health with you has absolutely fuck all business telling anyone else about it.

ofc, ignoring your doctor's advice is entirely up to you. people could ofc do something terrible, like flying a plane full of other people in to a mountainside, but generally speaking that doesn't tend to happen alot. tbh there is all kinds of information readily available that shows that about the safest place you can be is in a plane. I know this sounds a bit harsh given that this event has just taken place, but if you consider that worldwide there are about 10 plane crashes a month, whereas about 1700 young adults are murdered every day I'll take my chances trusting a couple of stewardess-bangers.

 

[Moriath]

10. A month. Including light aircraft maybe. 10 a year if that for commercial airliners.

 

[TdC]

no idea. I wasn't being specific when I asked the internets.

 

[Moriath]

no idea. I wasn't being specific when I asked the internets.

Well dammit you should. I think fh is gospel. So be correct.

 

[Gwadien]

10. A month. Including light aircraft maybe. 10 a year if that for commercial airliners.

Not sure if that's factual.

I bet there's more commercial airline crashes, but not enough white people are hurt so it's scarcely reported like bottom of the bbc; btw, 300 peeps died, lol.

 

[Job]

Actually I spoke to another specialist (pretty god damn hot as well) and she said that most people ignore doctors advice not to drive and all they can do is ram home how dangerous it is, especially if the guy is a lorry or coach driver, though they usually get caught by mandatory medical tests and your lies will be caught out and backdated.

 

[TdC]

Actually I spoke to another specialist (pretty god damn hot as well) and she said that most people ignore doctors advice not to drive and all they can do is ram home how dangerous it is, especially if the guy is a lorry or coach driver, though they usually get caught by mandatory medical tests and your lies will be caught out and backdated.

tbh that was the argument I was going to give. a person dependent on, for example, driving for any reason could think "fuck you mister doctor man". ofc, the why of that thought is the important bit. loss of income, social standing, face, any reason really.

 

[Gwadien]

Its better that way then having someone go around telling everyone that you're dangerous, if you were THAT dangerous they'd section you anyway.

A stupidly high percentage of people in this country have suffered with depression, should we stop them all from driving?

 

[TdC]

I think it's aready been stated in this thread that depression doesn't automatically make you a prime candidate for committing murder-suicide.

 

[Talivar]

Millions of people suffer daily with depression and they dont go crash their Cars,Planes,Trains,Buses on purpose. This is more than just depression.

 

[Urgat]

Firstly, apologies for the earlier rant. I need to remember to take a step back and gather my thoughts correctly before posting on subjects I hold dear to heart.

If I rubbed you the wrong way, sorry.

Back on topic... There is a big difference between the state of mind of someone who is clinically depressed... And someone who is literally suicidal.

What I was trying to say in my train wreck of a post, above... Was that someone who is determined to fly himself and 150 others into a mountain is clearly not in any way thinking rationally... And that trying to understand that though proccess is pointless.

Many years ago, during counciling sessions in hospital following my attempt, I remember trying to explain my descision proccess to the shrink.

I can still remember clearly... I was absolutely convinced in that moment that it was the best course of action, for me and everyone who knew me. Looking back it is clearly absurd... But at that moment I figured the best thing I could do for my family was rid them of the burden of me.

What I am trying to say is... Asking the question... "What was he thinking?" ... Is kind of silly, Because rational thought isnt a part of suicide attempts.

Finally... I would be inclined to agree there may be deeper psychological issues at work here... But who knows...

 

[Mabs]

Firstly, apologies for the earlier rant. I need to remember to take a step back and gather my thoughts correctly before posting on subjects I hold dear to heart.

If I rubbed you the wrong way, sorry.

Back on topic... There is a big difference between the state of mind of someone who is clinically depressed... And someone who is literally suicidal.

What I was trying to say in my train wreck of a post, above... Was that someone who is determined to fly himself and 150 others into a mountain is clearly not in any way thinking rationally... And that trying to understand that though proccess is pointless.

Many years ago, during counciling sessions in hospital following my attempt, I remember trying to explain my descision proccess to the shrink.

I can still remember clearly... I was absolutely convinced in that moment that it was the best course of action, for me and everyone who knew me. Looking back it is clearly absurd... But at that moment I figured the best thing I could do for my family was rid them of the burden of me.

What I am trying to say is... Asking the question... "What was he thinking?" ... Is kind of silly, Because rational thought isnt a part of suicide attempts.

Finally... I would be inclined to agree there may be deeper psychological issues at work here... But who knows...

THIS

 

[Moriath]

Firstly, apologies for the earlier rant. I need to remember to take a step back and gather my thoughts correctly before posting on subjects I hold dear to heart.

If I rubbed you the wrong way, sorry.

Back on topic... There is a big difference between the state of mind of someone who is clinically depressed... And someone who is literally suicidal.

What I was trying to say in my train wreck of a post, above... Was that someone who is determined to fly himself and 150 others into a mountain is clearly not in any way thinking rationally... And that trying to understand that though proccess is pointless.

Many years ago, during counciling sessions in hospital following my attempt, I remember trying to explain my descision proccess to the shrink.

I can still remember clearly... I was absolutely convinced in that moment that it was the best course of action, for me and everyone who knew me. Looking back it is clearly absurd... But at that moment I figured the best thing I could do for my family was rid them of the burden of me.

What I am trying to say is... Asking the question... "What was he thinking?" ... Is kind of silly, Because rational thought isnt a part of suicide attempts.

Finally... I would be inclined to agree there may be deeper psychological issues at work here... But who knows...

I never did the suicide thing but I had mostly everything else depression can throw at you and have an idea where your coming from.

I have thought about driving my car into a brick wall and stuff like that. But never thought of driving it into a load of school kids on the way. Etc etc

Glad you came through the other side mate.

 

[Gwadien]

Firstly, apologies for the earlier rant. I need to remember to take a step back and gather my thoughts correctly before posting on subjects I hold dear to heart.

If I rubbed you the wrong way, sorry.

Back on topic... There is a big difference between the state of mind of someone who is clinically depressed... And someone who is literally suicidal.

What I was trying to say in my train wreck of a post, above... Was that someone who is determined to fly himself and 150 others into a mountain is clearly not in any way thinking rationally... And that trying to understand that though proccess is pointless.

Many years ago, during counciling sessions in hospital following my attempt, I remember trying to explain my descision proccess to the shrink.

I can still remember clearly... I was absolutely convinced in that moment that it was the best course of action, for me and everyone who knew me. Looking back it is clearly absurd... But at that moment I figured the best thing I could do for my family was rid them of the burden of me.

What I am trying to say is... Asking the question... "What was he thinking?" ... Is kind of silly, Because rational thought isnt a part of suicide attempts.

Finally... I would be inclined to agree there may be deeper psychological issues at work here... But who knows...

My comments will further be influenced by that Louis Theroux documentary which seemed to have been aired in absolute perfect timing.

Does that mean he's void of all blame though? - If he wasn't 'thinking straight' would that be enough to shift the blame from him to his mental illness?

 

[Hawkwind]

Not sure if that's factual.

I bet there's more commercial airline crashes, but not enough white people are hurt so it's scarcely reported like bottom of the bbc; btw, 300 peeps died, lol.

Not that many and the safety standards have improved massively. Take a look at this data from Boeing;

http://www.boeing.com/news/techissues/pdf/statsum.pdf

Every accident whether fatal or non fatal is reported to local aviation authority in the form of an Occurrence Report, failure to comply with this would result in the loss of the Airworthiness License for the Operator. This crash is very unusual and will certainly lead to steps introduced regarding Mental Health monitoring. I would be shocked if it did not. I see that many regions, including UAE yesterday, are introducing the 'Two In the Cockpit" rule. Although I suspect that has more to do with allaying passenger fears in an attempt to stop any negative commercial aspects than anything else.

 

[Bodhi]

My comments will further be influenced by that Louis Theroux documentary which seemed to have been aired in absolute perfect timing.

Does that mean he's void of all blame though? - If he wasn't 'thinking straight' would that be enough to shift the blame from him to his mental illness?

I'm sorry, but whatever was wrong with him, there can be no excuse for flying a plane with 150 people in the back into a mountain.

The Man was a prize cunt, and I do wish we'd stop trying to make excuses for him. A prize murderous cunt.

 

[Urgat]

Does that mean he's void of all blame though? - If he wasn't 'thinking straight' would that be enough to shift the blame from him to his mental illness?

I get where you are coming from... But If a person is literally out of their mind... Is it "them" performing the action?

I know for a fact that the guy who hacked open my wrist to the bone with a kitchen knife (without feeling any pain whatsoever) most certainly wasn't "me" if that makes sense.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm sorry, but whatever was wrong with him, there can be no excuse for flying a plane with 150 people in the back into a mountain.

The Man was a prize cunt, and I do wish we'd stop trying to make excuses for him. A prize murderous cunt.

Oh no, that's what I'm implying.

Watch the documentary, especially the second part, there's people on there that have made their selves 'insane' in order avoid prison, one guy has made himself believe that all lawyers are in a baby-raping syndicate, so he can't be in the same room as the lawyers, so therefore the courts declared that he's unfit to stand trial.

Now, I'm not implying that the co-pilot was in the same boat as the guy I just described, but the way that everyone keeps going on and describing it, and trying to blame the airline is almost trying to redefine mental health issues and more so depression.

I get where you are coming from... But If a person is literally out of their mind... Is it "them" performing the action?

I know for a fact that the guy who hacked open my wrist to the bone with a kitchen knife (without feeling any pain whatsoever) most certainly wasn't "me" if that makes sense.

You're more or less making my point, the way that I'm seeing the media portray it is that having some kind of bi-polar disorder is the same as having depression, where it's not.

More so, there's obviously different levels of most mental disorders, it's like saying autistic people are all equally autistic when that clearly isn't the case.

 

[Urgat]

I'm sorry, but whatever was wrong with him, there can be no excuse for flying a plane with 150 people in the back into a mountain.

The Man was a prize cunt, and I do wish we'd stop trying to make excuses for him. A prize murderous cunt.

Ok this is the kind of ignorant bullshit that prompted my first post.
You are cluless.
Inform yourself on a subject. Then post.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ok this is the kind of ignorant bullshit that prompted my first post.
You are cluless.
Inform yourself on a subject. Then post.

If you're really concerned about people being ignorant, you should post why it's ignorant and educate people. Be part of the solution, not just another whiny voice