No idea Another Selfish Suicide? (Germanwings Crash)

[Job]

I'm imagining the pilot trying to kick the fuk out the door without wanting to scare the passengers...

 

[caLLous]

One would hope so. It seems very silly to me to have a situation where one man can assume total control of an aircraft and that nobody can stop him. At least if there's a steward in there, you have an immediate disincentive to do anything like what appears to have happened here.

I assumed it was already a thing for everybody, not just the US but already today Easyjet, Air Canada and some Norwegian airline have all said they will now require at least 2 people in the cockpit at all times.

Also,

The BBC's Clive Myrie says that Andreas Lubitz's parents were among those who travelled to Seyne-les-Alpes to mourn those killed in the crash. Following the revelations from the cockpit voice recorder "they have now been separated from the rest of the group", he added.

I fucking bet they have. They've gone from being "just some other mourners" to "unfortunate parents of one of the most despised people in the world" in no time flat.

 

[Mabs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32075657

Budget airline Easyjet to require two crew on flightdeck

Meanwhile, Air Canada and Norwegian Air Shuttle have announced similar plans.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Shame it takes something like this to put in place norms that should be in place just by logical thinking.

 

[Job]

What exactly does that mean..one of the stewards sits in?
What are they supposed to do, overpower a copilot if he suddenly decides to Kamikazee

 

[Moriath]

Open the door

 

[caLLous]

@Job can you stop contributing to this thread please.

 

[Gwadien]

What exactly does that mean..one of the stewards sits in?
What are they supposed to do, overpower a copilot if he suddenly decides to Kamikazee

Unless I read the article completely wrong.

The general jist of it is this:

The person outside can only gain access if the person inside is unconcious, IE the other person inside has to actively over-ride the access code, if you have another person inside that means the kamikaze person has to both override the code AND stop the other person from literally opening the door, which is impossible.

The one thing that I get confused about all this, and I probably shouldn't mention it yet since it's too soon, but why doesn't the co pilot just kill the pilot, and what stops that from happening? - I guess flying at the ground and actively killing another person is different.

 

[old.user4556]

I suspect murdering someone with your bear hands might be different to the batshit mental haze of pointing your plane at the ground. Or something.

 

[caLLous]

It's not about overpowering him necessarily. Maybe this co-pilot wouldn't have done what he did if he had somebody next to him in the cockpit. Maybe he was a chicken shit who wouldn't have gone through with it had he had to look into somebody else's eyes as he took the plane down. Maybe this is the exact scenario where having any other single person in there with him could've prevented it.

 

[old.user4556]

It must take a special kind of psychopath to do something like this. I can't imagine his thought process - was this premeditated? Did he get up that morning with a plan on how he'd do it? Did he seize the moment?

 

[Moriath]

Or sociopath cause they done associate with other people. But like me really . Don't let me fly a plane hehe

 

[Scouse]

I suspect murdering someone with your bear hands

lulz







WHAT? This thread needs lightening up

 

[Scouse]

It must take a special kind of psychopath to do something like this

Or someone mentally ill. Or someone being blackmailed...

Who knows eh?

 

[Tom]

I fucking hate the way the tabloids spend so much time and money digging up every last detail on people. It's like a feeding frenzy, there will be weeks of people pointing fingers, exclaiming loudly that "he was a bit weird". Former girlfriends will appear to tell us every last tiny little detail. And the readers will lap it up, as though they've never done anything so strange as "getting angry at something unimportant" or whatever other bullshit it is they find.

And we wonder why some of us find it so difficult to seek help. All I can think of is that if we were more open and honest about our feelings then perhaps tragedies like this might not happen so frequently.

 

[Moriath]

I know Tom can't see this. But that's now their reason for existence. They can't report the news any more because it's done in seconds on the Internet or rolling tv news.

So the red tops have to do comment and side angles to sell their shit.

 

[BloodOmen]

What I'd like to know is, why wasn't a steward present in the cockpit while the captain was absent?

Based on what happened to this flight Virgin and many other airways have just introduced quick strict new rules that there must ALWAYS be 2 people in the cockpit at all times, so if the captain leaves for a shit or whatever someone must now stay there until he returns to prevent this happening again.

 

[leggy]

I suspect murdering someone with your bear hands

I like

 

[old.Tohtori]

WHAT? This thread needs lightening up

Why exactly? It's been bearly a day and you want to make light of the incident already?

 

[fettoken]

Imagine the unfathomable grief that struck the families and friends of those flying. You never expect such a thing to happen.

 

[Urgat]

It must take a special kind of psychopath to do something like this. I can't imagine his thought process - was this premeditated? Did he get up that morning with a plan on how he'd do it? Did he seize the moment?

There is no fucking thought Proccess!

Someone who's state of mind is so outside reality that they feel the need to end their own life is not thinking in any way resembling something a sane person can understand.

The depths of actual REAL depression are fuckin nightmare of distorted perception and disconnection from reality.

The level of misunderstanding of mental illness in this thread is exactly what I have come to expect from this forum's ignorant, opinionated, uninformed cunts.

Even the title of the thread is woefully of the mark.

 

[Gwadien]

Even the title of the thread is woefully of the mark.

Well, the title has a question mark, and the thread was created when it only just came out that the captain was locked out, so I think @leggy was trying to predict what was happening.

Whilst I accept that he suffered with mental illness, it doesn't mean that he's completely void of all the blame, the fact is, no-one knows, you're seemingly coming down on the side of 'it's completely the mental illness' - but frankly each mental illness is different.

Louis Theroux did an interesting documentary on mental illness in the US, because whilst having one of the harshest prisons in the world, people get away with murder on the basis of insanity.

Arguably most people to cause some kind of massacre on this scale must have some kind of mental illness, which could have been brought on over time, so it's unfair to point the finger at the airline for not asking all their employees how they feel, they can only prevent such horrible acts in realistic ways. (such as the steward in the cockpit.) I mean, you could argue that those responsible for 9/11 suffered with mental illness because their acts were completely off the scale of 'the right thing to do' which mental illness pretty much is.

End of the day @Urgat as I said before, you don't know, no-one will truly know how much of what he did was conscious thought or if he was completely disconnected from reality.

 

[Bodhi]

No matter what was wrong with him, he still deliberately flew a plane with 150 people into a mountain at 500mph. Whilst depression is a horrible illness (the OH suffers from it), it still doesn't excuse what he did, or why he was in a position to do so.

 

[Gwadien]

No matter what was wrong with him, he still deliberately flew a plane with 150 people into a mountain at 500mph. Whilst depression is a horrible illness (the OH suffers from it), it still doesn't excuse what he did, or why he was in a position to do so.

Yeah exactly, but the latter part of your post is the bit that concerns me.

We can't blame the airlines for this, how would have they known he suffered with depression?

Do you really ask your employees every other day how they are?

Especially when this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32087203

As I said, he gets the blame, he did this, let's not try and change the blame, but find practical ways of preventing it in the future, such as what they've already done.

 

[Bodhi]

Best way to prevent it imo would be to make sure no one is left alone in the cockpit, so doesn't get a chance to do such a thing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Best way to prevent it imo would be to make sure no one is left alone in the cockpit, so doesn't get a chance to do such a thing.

Like said earlier, should've been in place already. I think that when it comes to possible mass death scenarios, the people in charge need to think of every single worst case scenario, even if it's superman ripping the wings off the plane.

 

[Gwadien]

Like said earlier, should've been in place already. I think that when it comes to possible mass death scenarios, the people in charge need to think of every single worst case scenario, even if it's superman ripping the wings off the plane.

Meh, the power of hindsight.

The only people I can sympathise with is those who were actively campaigning for this prior to this event.

 

[old.user4556]

There is no fucking thought Proccess!

Someone who's state of mind is so outside reality that they feel the need to end their own life is not thinking in any way resembling something a sane person can understand.

The depths of actual REAL depression are fuckin nightmare of distorted perception and disconnection from reality.

The level of misunderstanding of mental illness in this thread is exactly what I have come to expect from this forum's ignorant, opinionated, uninformed cunts.

Even the title of the thread is woefully of the mark.

Just so I can clarify, are you calling me an ignorant, opinionated, uninformed cunt? I wouldn't want to jump up on your sanctimonious high horse otherwise.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Meh, the power of hindsight.

The only people I can sympathise with is those who were actively campaigning for this prior to this event.

Can't really campaign for it with our "influence". Not to mention leaving someone alone in the cockpit sounds so incredibly stupid that it's common sense to think that wouldn't happen.

Though not as stupid as the "ultimate lockout by single person" thing.

 

[Gwadien]

Can't really campaign for it with our "influence". Not to mention leaving someone alone in the cockpit sounds so incredibly stupid that it's common sense to think that wouldn't happen.

Though not as stupid as the "ultimate lockout by single person" thing.

As I said, power of hindsight.

Only reason the 'muricans did it was 4 dur terrorists.