Anders Brevik had a point...

[rynnor]

I think the welfare system here is very generous to you if you have been generous to the country. Taxes are higher here, but if you have paid yours then you reap the benefit if you are out of work. Perhaps they are more harsh to layabouts.

They are also very strict about immigrants claiming welfare - its very difficult and requires work history in the country which is actually far less generous than the UK system.

 

[Athan]

Labour never did anything real to get people into jobs - they just worked out that the jobless vote was easy to capture by just giving them more money - its in their interest to continue this state of dependance.

Does anyone think these sorts of 'layabouts' are at all likely to bother voting ?

 

[Tom]

Many low paid jobs that brits refuse to do because they think they're automatically entitled to something more? I get that the jobs remain low paid because immigrants will come in and do them so cheap, but there is no incentive for British people to do them. That isn't Labours fault. Minimum wage here is almost twice what it is in the UK so people will do the jobs.

The money isn't the issue, it's actually doing the work. Fields of fruit remain unpicked because the lazy arses coming out of school think it's "too hard" to actually pick fruit.

 

[Himse]

What do you do for a living Himse? Last chef job i had in England was £6.50 an hour... couldn't even buy a packet of fags with that. Denmark i'm paid £16 an hour to exactly the same job. I wouldn't go back to earning £6.50 an hour. Its peanuts. Why would you bother working?

CAD/Revit for a Building Services Consultant mainly, but I also do freelance bits on the side occasionally.

Because it's contributing to society, not being a lazy c*nt, that's why.

 

[Ctuchik]

The money isn't the issue, it's actually doing the work. Fields of fruit remain unpicked because the lazy arses coming out of school think it's "too hard" to actually pick fruit.

Or they are just expecting to get a job in the field they educated themselves in. It's shocking, i know....

 

[Scouse]

The money isn't the issue, it's actually doing the work. Fields of fruit remain unpicked because the lazy arses coming out of school think it's "too hard" to actually pick fruit.

No. People come out of school and say "I'm not picking fruit for a derisory minimum wage that's akin to slave labour".

I don't blame them.


So we get immigrants in instead...

 

[Scouse]

Because it's contributing to society, not being a lazy c*nt, that's why.

Lies! Someone like you would not work for minimum wage...

 

[Jeros]

A lot of places in Edinburgh ask you to earn £1000 a month, or £10,000 a year to rent. Hard to do on min wage after all the nonsense the sort of companies who pay it throw at you.

 

[Tom]

No. People come out of school and say "I'm not picking fruit for a derisory minimum wage that's akin to slave labour".

I don't blame them.


So we get immigrants in instead...

Why any of them believe they should be paid any more than the minimum wage when they know fuck all about anything is beyond me. They're not principled, they're just lazy entitled idiots.

 

[Jeros]

Dear lord....

"Anders Brevik had a point..."

​

 

[Scouse]

Why any of them believe they should be paid any more than the minimum wage when they know fuck all about anything is beyond me. They're not principled, they're just lazy entitled idiots.

There are very few "principled" people, Tom. Very few. We're not educated to be principled. We're educated to believe that hard work can bring you the moon.

Which is a lie.

It's no wonder that people who are literal no-hopers - those with zero natural intelligence (we all remember loads of them from school - the kids who, try as they might, just don't get it) - find themselves surrounded by people who are better off, in a society that will never like them (we hate the dumb) and a society that rams rich people down their throat all the time - as a mechanism to "raise their aspirations" - when they know full well the things they can aspire to will never be in their reach.

Is it really that surprising that many of them go "fuck that" and opt-out??

The reality starts with this:


You can work as hard as you like, but you'll spend your life looking at people around you who will be better off - even if they have no work ethic.

But this graphic doesn't tell nearly half the story. Even people at the very top of the IQ scale are highly unlikely to meet their aspirations through hard work alone - as the educational system has taught them they will - because the priviledged kids of the already-rich are the ones who hoover up their jobs.

This country, this economic system, is set up to provide:

1) Mid-level jobs for the average-IQ plebs.
2) Great "jobs" for the children of the already rich and priviledged
3) Shit jobs for retards with insulting levels of pay

The very clever but not priviledged have to live the double wank-whammy of having a job that insults their intelligence and demoralises them on a daily basis because of this - but they're aware of the inequities of a system set up for a tiny minority and are powerless to do anything about it.

The clever keep working - because they know how hard and miserable life on the breadline is. But nobody cares.

The retards have no choice. Life is always going to be hard. So many of them opt-out and skank the world for all it will give them.

They've no hope. They've no prospects. They're lifes losers.

And nobody cares about them, either.

In fact, we complain that they won't quietly and meekly do our slave labour jobs, that we would never lower ourselves to, and just stfu and take it. The lazy skanks.

 

[Scouse]

Dear lord....

"Anders Brevik had a point..."

Don't be so precious Jeros. He was angry about the racial demographics of Norway being changed massively, and quickly.

Which they are.

 

[Job]

welcome to the minority.
In our own country we are outnumbered bu johnny foriegners in our capital city.
Whatever you think of this, it's an utterly staggering turn of events, predidected of course and totally opposed by the populace, but still it happens.

 

[throdgrain]

Wtf is all this "slave labour" jobs my poor little children? If you need the money, you have to do it. I would. I have, now you mention it.

As for this stuff about easy life on the dole, not sure how many people here have really tried it. I was made redundant in 1990. I had no money, and no skills either for that matter. I had a council house, and two small children, and hair down to me waist. I couldnt get a job. After a bit, I gave up trying. I just got further and further into debt, in the end I was heading towards the electric being cut off etc. Buying an eighth of hash on tick to last a fortnight till the next giro arrived.

Anyway, after about a year a bloke I knew said he knew another bloke who had a job cleaning bikes. £15.00 a day, cash in hand. I did it. Why not? I had long since run out of options. I sold a bike first day. Two years later we were turning over 2m + a year a nd I was earning good money. So it goes ...

But can you live easy on the dole? No, not in my experience. Can you improve your life by taking a low paid job? Yes you bloody can. Just dont sit there crying about all the work you put into that degree. No one gives a fuck, least of all me.

Education, education education.

My arse.

 

[Himse]

Lies! Someone like you would not work for minimum wage...

If I had to, I would..

I worked for jog all at my first Architects practice for experience, whilst still maintaining a job at Waitrose saturdays and studying at college 1 day a week.

I admit, I probably haven't worked as hard as I could of, but I'm not exactly work shy. I've never been short/truely poor, but come on, it wasn't exactly difficult to sort myself out, i've now got 6 years experience doing all manners of CAD work, it's not ideally what i'd love to do, but I don't hate it by any means, also doesn't mean i'd quit after a day because i don't feel like going to work yada yada!

Anyway, point is people are too work shy, that's just my opinion.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Wtf is all this "slave labour" jobs my poor little children? If you need the money, you have to do it. I would. I have, now you mention it.

As for this stuff about easy life on the dole, not sure how many people here have really tried it. I was made redundant in 1990. I had no money, and no skills either for that matter. I had a council house, and two small children, and hair down to me waist. I couldnt get a job. After a bit, I gave up trying. I just got further and further into debt, in the end I was heading towards the electric being cut off etc. Buying an eighth of hash on tick to last a fortnight till the next giro arrived.

Anyway, after about a year a bloke I knew said he knew another bloke who had a job cleaning bikes. £15.00 a day, cash in hand. I did it. Why not? I had long since run out of options. I sold a bike first day. Two years later we were turning over 2m + a year a nd I was earning good money. So it goes ...

But can you live easy on the dole? No, not in my experience. Can you improve your life by taking a low paid job? Yes you bloody can. Just dont sit there crying about all the work you put into that degree. No one gives a fuck, least of all me.

Education, education education.

My arse.

Why didn't you just cut your fucking hair? Would have got a job no probs, hippy.

 

[Aoami]

Wtf is all this "slave labour" jobs my poor little children? If you need the money, you have to do it. I would. I have, now you mention it.

As for this stuff about easy life on the dole, not sure how many people here have really tried it. I was made redundant in 1990. I had no money, and no skills either for that matter. I had a council house, and two small children, and hair down to me waist. I couldnt get a job. After a bit, I gave up trying. I just got further and further into debt, in the end I was heading towards the electric being cut off etc. Buying an eighth of hash on tick to last a fortnight till the next giro arrived.

Anyway, after about a year a bloke I knew said he knew another bloke who had a job cleaning bikes. £15.00 a day, cash in hand. I did it. Why not? I had long since run out of options. I sold a bike first day. Two years later we were turning over 2m + a year a nd I was earning good money. So it goes ...

But can you live easy on the dole? No, not in my experience. Can you improve your life by taking a low paid job? Yes you bloody can. Just dont sit there crying about all the work you put into that degree. No one gives a fuck, least of all me.

Education, education education.

My arse.

So what you're suggesting is be a layabout and hope I get a lucky break? I've been working minimum wage jobs (before i moved to dk) from the age of 16 to 24 (when i moved), with only my first year of university out of work. I worked full time hours (more or less, 30+ a week) whilst studying. I was under the impression that hard work might get you somewhere, but what have i got to show for it? fuck all.

 

[Scouse]

it wasn't exactly difficult to sort myself out

Have a read of that, and have a read of my explanation above. It's pretty obvious.


What if you're too dumb? Like the vast majority of "dole scum"? What if "studying at college" is beyond you and the only thing you can realistically achieve is working at waitrose stacking shelves, on minimum wage, full-time, for the rest of your miserable life.

Why bother?

 

[throdgrain]

So what you're suggesting is be a layabout and hope I get a lucky break? I've been working minimum wage jobs (before i moved to dk) from the age of 16 to 24 (when i moved), with only my first year of university out of work. I worked full time hours (more or less, 30+ a week) whilst studying. I was under the impression that hard work might get you somewhere, but what have i got to show for it? fuck all.

Are you fucking mental? Where did I advocate that? What I said was, take a job that pays something, work hard, and if you're good at it you might, MIGHT succeed. Maybe you wont too. It's up to you.

 

[throdgrain]

Have a read of that, and have a read of my explanation above. It's pretty obvious.


What if you're too dumb? Like the vast majority of "dole scum"? What if "studying at college" is beyond you and the only thing you can realistically achieve is working at waitrose stacking shelves, on minimum wage, full-time, for the rest of your miserable life.

Why bother?

If all you can do is stack shelves, that's what you do. No shame in it either.

 

[sayward]

And if you're really that dumb you won't realise it's mind numbingly boring. And will be pleased with having a job. The rest of us can't manage without the people who do those jobs.

 

[Scouse]

If all you can do is stack shelves, that's what you do. No shame in it either.

In fact, we complain that they won't quietly and meekly do our slave labour jobs, that we would never lower ourselves to, and just stfu and take it. The lazy skanks.

Ahem...

 

[sayward]

Doesn't the world end tomorrow?

 

[Scouse]

And if you're really that dumb you won't realise it's mind numbingly boring. And will be pleased with having a job. The rest of us can't manage without the people who do those jobs.

They're quite obviously not pleased with having a shit job on a shit wage. Otherwise they'd do them rather than claim dole.

If we "can't manage" without these retards doing stuff that's absolutely necessary, but we won't lower ourselves to, then maybe we should pay them a fair wage instead of slave rates.

 

[sayward]

Yes, don't disagree on that. it's ridiculously low. I admit I failed to cover that bit.
Just think we were better off with grammar schools and secondary moderns or at least a variation of that so that the lesser academically inclined could find something they would want to do. Or am i digging a deeper hole for myself?

 

[Yoni]

Wtf is all this "slave labour" jobs my poor little children? If you need the money, you have to do it. I would. I have, now you mention it.

As for this stuff about easy life on the dole, not sure how many people here have really tried it. I was made redundant in 1990. I had no money, and no skills either for that matter. I had a council house, and two small children, and hair down to me waist. I couldnt get a job. After a bit, I gave up trying. I just got further and further into debt, in the end I was heading towards the electric being cut off etc. Buying an eighth of hash on tick to last a fortnight till the next giro arrived.

Anyway, after about a year a bloke I knew said he knew another bloke who had a job cleaning bikes. £15.00 a day, cash in hand. I did it. Why not? I had long since run out of options. I sold a bike first day. Two years later we were turning over 2m + a year a nd I was earning good money. So it goes ...

But can you live easy on the dole? No, not in my experience. Can you improve your life by taking a low paid job? Yes you bloody can. Just dont sit there crying about all the work you put into that degree. No one gives a fuck, least of all me.

Education, education education.

My arse.

I completely agree.......

I am a daughter of one of the rich and privileged that people here seem talk about a lot... I went to a private boarding school and everything!

I really have to disagree with many of the sentiments on here which imply that because my parents are wealthy due to their inheritance my life is a walk in the park! It had not been......

I left my "awesome private school" when I was 16 and during my summer holidays I went to work in an arial factory. I then went to the local comp to do my a levels and found it was so awesome being free I indulged in two good years if everything that was norteh and surprisingly got no a levels! However I worked each holiday in the factory and weekends and some evenings behind the bar....

Parents retired to the Isle of Man and because I was such a fuck up I had no choice but to go with them. I redid a levels at the local FE and continued to work evenings and weekends in bars and nightclubs.

My first job was with a complete bunch of wankers so resigned, by that time I was married with a mortgage so had to work, despite what some of you believe just because mummy and daddy are loaded, doesn't mean I would want them to bail me out! So I got a job in a kettle factory, where I worked 16 hour shifts.....

My hard work was noticed and I worked my way up the organisation to management accountant... From there my career improved quickly.... Funnily enough with no help from my parents....

So I think the lazy fucking scrotes should get off their backsides and work

 

[Scouse]

I completely agree...

You're obviously intelligent Yoni. Lets just say, emotionally "sprained" though.

What about the people I describe in my post with the graph? That's a concise picture of the majority of society, not just the exceptions or a single case...



Edit: How rich and priviledged? If you're not talking multi-multi millionaires then you're just talking middle-class...

There are loads of "private" schools. I went to one early on with some of the cash my completely useless mother got paid out for the death of my dad. I'm talking proper rich...

 

[Zenith.UK]

Education is a help, but it isn't the be-all and end-all.
I quit school in lower 6th, got a job as a trainee lab tech, worked 9 years till I was a senior lab tech and decided to ditch labs and get into IT.
I quit my job, went back to college to get a couple of part-time courses under my belt, then a HNC. Got an IT helldesk job for 6 months, then back to college to convert the HNC into a HND. The job I got after that is the one I'm still in 9 years later. I've been on benefits in the past between jobs, and there is NO WAY you can maintain even a passable standard of living on them alone.
I'm an ordinary "Joe Average". Married, kids, house, job which could pay better and I have to count my pennies every month just to make sure I've got enough to last until next pay day.
Do I feel aggrieved at people "sponging off benefits"? Yes, but not in the rabid anger the DM will spout.
Do I envy people who have done better than me? Of course there's a touch of resentment, but I'm more accepting of my lot in life now.
Do I feel "Johnny Foreigner" has taken over my country? Not at all. I do however notice the difference in ratio of skin colour in cities compared to where I live, simply because the demographics where I live are almost entirely white-skinned. When you see white people everywhere, everyday, someone who isn't white is noticeable.

These census findings show only one thing conclusively. Net immigration into the UK is the primary driver of increased population. This in itself isn't a bad thing. The bad thing is if national infrastructure doesn't scale up to keep up with the increase, and I am talking about hospitals and the NHS here. The problem is that PCTs are slicing budgets all the time and still running in the red. We, as a country, shouldn't be cutting health care. We should be ramping it up. Increasing population versus shrinking healthcare provision equals a hell of a problem yet to come.

 

[BloodOmen]

There certainly is the destruction of the ethnic makeup of the UK going on.

White British down from 87% to 80% in just ten years.

I think that's an absolutely staggering statistic tbfh.

Asians, breeding like rabbits since... forever.

 

[Job]

The bubble of protection from life on welfare extends well beyond the simple cash handouts...you simply pay for nothing...rented accomodation..landlord repairs everything..dentist...prescriptions...free courses...grants..an entire industry of benefits that someone working has very little access to and the wholething allows you to watch Jeremy Kyle all day...why the fuck would anyone bother to get a job.