An albs perspective

[Jiggs]

what spec are you advocating then?

a few BF clerics have smite in the 20s (one is 43), none of them speak very well of smite, most consider it pretty useless...

personally i prefer the 40enhance spec

better resists = less time mezed :]

we did consider a group setup with 3 clerics: 2reju and 1smite it has worked ok i think..

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
if people die we dont have to run all the way back to atk for buffs, if our resist buffs drop and were in gorge we donthve to run all the way back to atk.

now tell me what is good about speccing 44 smite for a mezz that is pbaoe on a 5 min timer and is <5 secs on a tank

I belive i told you for 3 pages now. Are you realy this stupid or desperate to save your silly face? Its better to have a tool that make you get away from aggressors ( since your sorcs are totaly inable to mezz its even better) AND ae interupt (that is very hand vs. 7/8 hib groups) then having a totaly pointless specline. This however require a buffbot that probably show too much dedication for a non-infil alb.

do you understand? i dont require that you agree since you are totaly convinced alb sucks and current group setups are best. just say that you understand.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Jiggs
what spec are you advocating then?

a few BF clerics have smite in the 20s (one is 43), none of them speak very well of smite, most consider it pretty useless...

personally i prefer the 40enhance spec

better resists = less time mezed :]

we did consider a group setup with 3 clerics: 2reju and 1smite it has worked ok i think..

2clerics, 1 give resists and 1 is smite, we decided that 3 pages back or so.

 

[Trubble]

Originally posted by cougar-
smite is good for ae interupt vs caster groups. ie hibbies. mezz is good as cleric bodyguarding, and alot better then spec a useless specline (enhance). sure you didnt think that far ofcourse. and ive played all 3 realms kthx.

Cleric mez doesnt work against enemy determination tanks, so cleric pbaoemez really isnt that wonderful as bodyguard.

And if you only need smite for the interrupt feature there isnt any point in going up in smite, you just need one spell to cast. If you going for smite for damage, you are stupid as everyone have minimum 26% spirit resists these days, often 50/60+.

High resists and ablative spell in enhance line seems much better than useless smite line.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Trubble
Cleric mez doesnt work against enemy determination tanks, so cleric pbaoemez really isnt that wonderful as bodyguard.

And if you only need smite for the interrupt feature there isnt any point in going up in smite, you just need one spell to cast. If you going for smite for damage, you are stupid as everyone have minimum 26% spirit resists these days, often 50/60+.

High resists and ablative spell in enhance line seems much better than useless smite line.

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Originally posted by Jiggs
what spec are you advocating then?

a few BF clerics have smite in the 20s (one is 43), none of them speak very well of smite, most consider it pretty useless...

personally i prefer the 40enhance spec

better resists = less time mezed :]

we did consider a group setup with 3 clerics: 2reju and 1smite it has worked ok i think..
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2clerics, 1 give resists and 1 is smite, we decided that 3 pages back or so.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
I belive i told you for 3 pages now. Are you realy this stupid or desperate to save your silly face? Its better to have a tool that make you get away from aggressors ( since your sorcs are totaly inable to mezz its even better) AND ae interupt (that is very hand vs. 7/8 hib groups) then having a totaly pointless specline. This however require a buffbot that probably show too much dedication for a non-infil alb.

do you understand? i dont require that you agree since you are totaly convinced alb sucks and current group setups are best. just say that you understand.

lol seriously can you not understand, the mezz sucks, its not like a healers pac line with 4 insta cc, or teh druids nurture line with aoe root, insta aoe root, it has a pbaoe mezz on a 5 min timer with 200 radies, its useless vs tanks, its like casting stun on a tank, its merely a trip before they get you. Is it so hard for you to admit YOU are wrong constantly saying alb is every bit as good as middy, middy isnt the best etc etc.

As for the AoE smite, the lv39 aoe smite will be resisted by everyone ESPECIALLY HIBS who usually have over 50% spirit resists anyhows, and with 49 spec aoe smite you gimp the cleric totally, not even getting a group insta heal.

I dont believe for 1 minute you have played albion cougar, cause your clueless about clerics.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by old.anubis

maybe we should make thane gank squads?

Poor thanes, I totally agree they need some serious loving. But no I don't think you should make thane gank squads , I just long for the days when people rolled classes because they liked the concept, not because they wanted to pwn everything in site. Then you actually had some variety in rvr - rather than it just being ganksquad4tehwin.

After patch-day I will have the upmost respect for those who are still playing zerkers and havent sold out and rerolled savages. I have a theory that it will be the original zerkers who keep playing them, not the silly fotmers who wank over their keyboards every time they mow down enemy groups with their l33t skillz and tictacz.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
lol seriously can you not understand, the mezz sucks, its not like a healers pac line with 4 insta cc, or teh druids nurture line with aoe root, insta aoe root, it has a pbaoe mezz on a 5 min timer with 200 radies, its useless vs tanks, its like casting stun on a tank, its merely a trip before they get you. Is it so hard for you to admit YOU are wrong constantly saying alb is every bit as good as middy, middy isnt the best etc etc.

As for the AoE smite, the lv39 aoe smite will be resisted by everyone ESPECIALLY HIBS who usually have over 50% spirit resists anyhows, and with 49 spec aoe smite you gimp the cleric totally, not even getting a group insta heal.

I dont believe for 1 minute you have played albion cougar, cause your clueless about clerics.

ok, you still dont understand.

EVEN IF THE MEZZ IS BAD IT IS STILL BETTER THEN A POINTLESS SPECLINE AND IT CAN SAVE YOU.

and resists dont help vs "resist" its just target lvl / spell lvl.

 

[Rollie_David]

3 clerics in a alb group

1 reju
1 enhance
1 smite
1 minstrel
1 sorc
1 paladin
1 friar/merc
1 merc


oohh fear that damage output compared too

1 pac healer
1 aug healer
1 mend healer
1 aug/cave shammie
1 skald
3 savages

hmm i wonder which group has the most cc, damage output, healing,

 

[Trubble]

Originally posted by cougar-
what spec are you advocating then?

2clerics, 1 give resists and 1 is smite, we decided that 3 pages back or so.

If I should make a cleric I would go for 40 rejuv, 34 enhance, 10 + rest in smite, maybe going down to 9 smite and drop the AE spell in favor of better str/con buf.

Of course there it is a solution to bring on cleric of each spec line... if Albion groups could have 10 people in a fg maybe.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
3 clerics in a alb group

1 reju
1 enhance
1 smite
1 minstrel
1 sorc
1 paladin
1 friar/merc
1 merc


oohh fear that damage output compared too

1 pac healer
1 aug healer
1 mend healer
1 aug/cave shammie
1 skald
3 savages

hmm i wonder which group has the most cc, damage output, healing,

Ofcourse u dont win when you make a totaly gimped alb group *suprise you are clueless*

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
ok, you still dont understand.

EVEN IF THE MEZZ IS BAD IT IS STILL BETTER THEN A POINTLESS SPECLINE AND IT CAN SAVE YOU.

and resists dont help vs "resist" its just target lvl / spell lvl.

if its bad and doesnt help at all then the enhance reists+albative heal proc are much more usfull mr ihaveneverplayedalbionbutiknowitall

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
Ofcourse u dont win when you make a totaly gimped alb group *suprise you are clueless*

but u said 3 clerics, i personally wouldnt have 3 clerics in a group, my ideal alb setup is

reju cleric
enh cleric
paladin
sorc
minstrel
merc
merc
merc

my ideal middy group is

pac healer
aug healer
mend healer
cave/aug shammie
skald
warrior
savage
savage

or just 3 savages

the middy group will still outperform the albion one in everey way, cc, yup middy has more, heals? yup middy has more, damage output?? yup middy has more, surviveability of main cc class, yup middy has much better.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
but u said 3 clerics, i personally wouldnt have 3 clerics in a group, my ideal alb setup is

reju cleric
enh cleric
paladin
sorc
minstrel
merc
merc
merc

my ideal middy group is

pac healer
aug healer
mend healer
cave/aug shammie
skald
warrior
savage
savage

or just 3 savages

the middy group will still outperform the albion one in everey way, cc, yup middy has more, heals? yup middy has more, damage output?? yup middy has more, surviveability of main cc class, yup middy has much better.

alot better alb group, never said 3 clerics, said buffbot and 2 clerics. that group beat almost any mid/hib group on pryd. and since players dont matter, only classes it must be uber, agreed misteriveplayedalbionmuchtolongtobethisclueless?

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by cougar-
2clerics, 1 give resists and 1 is smite, we decided that 3 pages back or so.

that doesnt work so great, i mean a normal stopping place for a proper smiter is 43smite or even 44smite (last pbaoe mezz)

tbh the smiter has only really been effective when we had 3 clerics in the group, you really need alot of healing to deal with mid melee groups

and when u do 3 clerics you have to drop the sorcerer, it does work pretty good, especially against mids, but its very hard to win from hibs without a sorcerer...

anyway, i want to know WHAT SMITE SPEC your are talking about, i dont believe you understood the post

 

[vintervargen]

(ding fd)

nerf savages

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
alot better alb group, never said 3 clerics, said buffbot and 2 clerics. that group beat almost any mid/hib group on pryd. and since players dont matter, only classes it must be uber, agreed?

then that alb group come up against bad players because as you can see that middy group should never lose to that alb group as they simply have more in every essential department, also from that setup albion is missing friar resists, the mids get them on the shaman.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by cougar-
Press edit and write it again so we understand.

Erm

I was taking the piss because the cleric aoe mez sucks. If anybody actually suggests for one minute that clerics respec smite to get it you have got to be off your trolly.


Let me translate for you

"You have got to be a moron to actually spec smite for the 30sec AOE Mez"

It dont win fights, that big Zerker smacking your head in stands there like a plum for 5-6 secs (5-6 tops, if he has determ, and why wouldnt he have it, he doesnt need anything else) thats assuming you lived longer than the 2 hits it took to kill you.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
then that alb group come up against bad players because as you can see that middy group should never lose to that alb group as they simply have more in every essential department, also from that setup albion is missing friar resists, the mids get them on the shaman.

friar resists are useless.

it beat all the best mid guilds with ease, and often hib guilds aswell. so the classes must be realy uber then, since players dont matter?

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by quinthar
Erm

I was taking the piss because the cleric aoe mez sucks. If anybody actually suggests for one minute that clerics respec smite to get it you have got to be off your trolly.


Let me translate for you

"You have got to be a moron to actually spec smite for the 30sec AOE Mez"

It dont win fights, that big Zerker smacking your head in stands there like a plum for 5-6 secs (5-6 tops, if he has determ, and why wouldnt he have it, he doesnt need anything else) thats assuming you lived longer than the 2 hits it took to kill you.

it allow cleric to get away instead of dying? isnt that enough? and a un-interupted cleric spamming ae can make any support useless, same with sorcs spamming amnesia etc.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
then that alb group come up against bad players because as you can see that middy group should never lose to that alb group as they simply have more in every essential department, also from that setup albion is missing friar resists, the mids get them on the shaman.

why would you need friar resists against mid melee group?
against shaman dot or what?

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
friar resists are useless.

it beat all the best mid guilds with ease, and often hib guilds aswell. so the classes must be realy uber then, since players dont matter?

do u think that seup would beat the mid/excal rvr groups?

i didnt think so, if a middy group loses with that setup they have only themselves to blame, due to the amount of option that is open to them.

and i said players play a small part, the classes make the difference, that middy setup in this current stage of teh game is almost perfect.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Jiggs
anyway, i want to know WHAT SMITE SPEC your are talking about, i dont believe you understood the post

44smite, 30rej imo.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by old.anubis
why would you need friar resists against mid melee group?
against shaman dot or what?

simply for resists, that group is my best alb group, but were lacking resists so if we meet other kinds of groups were at a disadvantage.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
do u think that seup would beat the mid/excal rvr groups?

i didnt think so, if a middy group loses with that setup they have only themselves to blame, due to the amount of option that is open to them.

and i said players play a small part, the classes make the difference, that middy setup in this current stage of teh game is almost perfect.

we maybe beat the group since NP rvr together all day long, and know eachother very good, and along with high RRs we win, = players do matter alot. was that so hard to understand?

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
simply for resists, that group is my best alb group, but were lacking resists so if we meet other kinds of groups were at a disadvantage.

you gain 3 kinda useless resists and a slowhitting, easy mezzed tank, OR a useless healer without spreadheals.

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-
we maybe beat the group since NP rvr together all day long, and know eachother very good, and along with high RRs we win, = players do matter alot. was that so hard to understand?

you know you would beat the group, lets not kid ourselves, and id say alot of other pure middy rvr guilds would.
regardless of playing together, that group is as close to perfect at this stage of the game that is possible, It outshines the "best" alb setup in everyway, the only hope alb would have beating that middy setup is with BoF which brings into the argument yet again why does albion need to use its best RA to compete with middy melee groups when this should actually give them a huge advantage.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by cougar-
do you know what we do with our druid/chanter pets when we fight albs?



yeah correct! we put em on healers, actualy that mezz is realy handy, aswell as smite can be sometimes.

Do you know that Protect abilty also works with dr00d, chanter, etc... pets??

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Do you know that Protect abilty also works with dr00d, chanter, etc... pets??

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Strapon Sally
you know you would beat the group, lets not kid ourselves, and id say alot of other pure middy rvr guilds would.
regardless of playing together, that group is as close to perfect at this stage of the game that is possible, It outshines the "best" alb setup in everyway, the only hope alb would have beating that middy setup is with BoF which brings into the argument yet again why does albion need to use its best RA to compete with middy melee groups when this should actually give them a huge advantage.

BC is not the last guild on mid/exc, and we cannot beat BF with our current setup (48 pac sux in/against melee groups)
max we could do, they won with 2-3 tanks alive