An albs perspective

[Arthwyr]

BoF and SOS

I agree BOF is a very powerful counter and it is IMHO opinion the best RA on alb atm but there is something about SOS that you probably don't know unless you play alb. You can NOT attack people while SOS is up unless you were already in combat mode before it got fired.

In other words if your minstrel sees a stronger group bearing down on his group and he fires SOS right away to counter the first CC spells the only thing that is left for his group is to run around like headless chickens or to leg it as a group because they can't attack anyone. Its very frustrating. If this should ever be fixed SOS + BoF would be a killer combo every 30 minutes. SO next time you are wondering why you see a group of albs hovering around you without hitting you you will know they used SOS an instant to soon and can't attack you.

This post wasn't about assassins but since SBs did get mentioned here. The LA Fix should be around 30% less damage.
Your 3 strenght relics make your damage go up by 20% while the damage for the albs (who had relics before) goes down by 20%
Netto difference for relics 40%
Netto difference with fix 30%
I remember having fairly "even" one on one fights with SBs around my own realm rank when we had relics and now you will be doing 10% better damage wise. If you do lose the relics on the other hand, ouch. Most active SBs had enough time to farm to a decent realm rank anyhow and that should compensate for alot too.

 

[Jiggs]

btw i heard group purge works properly in next patch (ie grants immunity)

any one know if thats true?

 

[Arnor]

umm, if they fire sos a sec too soon, then they are immune to cc, no? (for 30secs)

so sorc could stop, qc mezz, and then run like hell if someone purges, no?

tanks could assist and pick off anyone more or less, no?

 

[Pin]

Re: BoF and SOS

Originally posted by Arthwyr
You can NOT attack people while SOS is up unless you were already in combat mode before it got fired.

errrr. no

Originally posted by Arthwyr
This post wasn't about assassins but since SBs did get mentioned here. The LA Fix should be around 30% less damage.

no. it's more like 10-15% less.

 

[cougar-]

Re: BoF and SOS

Originally posted by Arthwyr
I agree BOF is a very powerful counter and it is IMHO opinion the best RA on alb atm but there is something about SOS that you probably don't know unless you play alb. You can NOT attack people while SOS is up unless you were already in combat mode before it got fired.

REALY??????????????????????????????????????????????????



ok, either your stupid, or very stupid.

You fire sos when u see the yellow blue cloaks, you let the tanks /stick the target that is supposed to die, mezz break after 8-9 sec or so (since we only use insta and dont know how to use castable).

During this seconds all the members of the other group risk to break mezz or waste stuns who perish at same time as mezz is gone, since those tanks who stick on our support obisouly isnt mezzed and tanks never have effects on so cant see what realy happens.

After its gone you are very stuck at the target and can start to bash, meanwhile the support is immune to other groups offensive since they can move around in speed 5.

ok?

go out and try this new, amazing ability now. need any more help?

 

[Ahqmae]

I don't like fighting Midgard. When they can afford having their tanks go 1on1 on our tanks whom are hitting their healers and it was us who got the jump and a cast mez somethings wrong imo.

Must be me :/

 

[Arthwyr]

originaly posted by pin
errrr. no

Ok then explain to me why you can not go into combat mode when an SOS is up and don't tell me you never experienced it.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
Ok then explain to me why you can not go into combat mode when an SOS is up and don't tell me you never experienced it.

For someone who has played for so long, are you really still this clueless?

Go read the description here: http://www.camelotherald.com/realmabilities/minstrel.html

"Your group moves at twice normal speed for 30 seconds. This ability will not break in combat. This ability also bypasses the movement penalties from mesmerize, root/snare, and stun, although other effects such as inability to attack will remain."

 

[Aussie-]

"look at pryd/alb and learn smth"

you sure it's the albs playing good or is it the incompetent pryd/mids who have a r9 thane as highest rank after 1,5y xD

 

[Arthwyr]

Re: Re: BoF and SOS

Originally posted by cougar-
REALY??????????????????????????????????????????????????



ok, either your stupid, or very stupid.

You fire sos when u see the yellow blue cloaks, you let the tanks /stick the target that is supposed to die, mezz break after 8-9 sec or so (since we only use insta and dont know how to use castable).

During this seconds all the members of the other group risk to break mezz or waste stuns who perish at same time as mezz is gone, since those tanks who stick on our support obisouly isnt mezzed and tanks never have effects on so cant see what realy happens.

After its gone you are very stuck at the target and can start to bash, meanwhile the support is immune to other groups offensive since they can move around in speed 5.

ok?

go out and try this new, amazing ability now. need any more help?

Ignorance and arrogance often mix, don't see why you have to prove it all the time though.

 

[hotrat]

try using your buffbots for something else then infils so some clerics can spec smite instead of enchance.

What about resist buffs?
You could have a 40 rejuv rest smite and a 37 enhance 39 rejuv cleric and a 50 enhance bot at apk though I guess. Dedicated rvr groups only though, those who play together everyday etc.

Fact is alb has to have a cloth wearer in their group and that gives em a dis-advantage right away, not from the point of cc but from the point of doing stuff other than cc, healer and bard can heal (full pac half mend healer gets the 500 spread heal), sorc can debuff and lifedrain, but only decent debuff is str/con cus no other casters in your group, and lifedrain does 150 dmg.

Bard is kinda worse off though cus they gotta land mezz then play end song. But a druid druid druid bard hero bm bm bm group is still pretty nice i reckon. 3 GP's, 3 annoying pets to interupt, one druid specs some nature affinity for ae root. Only problem is if bard dies, but then one of the druids can rez and the bard just plays end regen again.

 

[Jiggs]

you cant entre combat mode cos you are mezzed/stunned you plonker

 

[cougar-]

Re: Re: Re: BoF and SOS

Originally posted by Arthwyr
Ignorance and arrogance often mix, don't see why you have to prove it all the time though.

maybe im arrogant, but read what i wrote, maybe it helped you?

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by hotrat
What about resist buffs?
You could have a 40 rejuv rest smite and a 37 enhance 39 rejuv cleric and a 50 enhance bot at apk though I guess. Dedicated rvr groups only though, those who play together everyday etc.

yes i talk about dedicated guilds, since you face them in emain all day long.

 

[QuickS]

Get a better mincer who knows the right time to fire sos

 

[Arthwyr]

Originally posted by Pin
For someone who has played for so long, are you really still this clueless?

Go read the description here: http://www.camelotherald.com/realmabilities/minstrel.html

"Your group moves at twice normal speed for 30 seconds. This ability will not break in combat. This ability also bypasses the movement penalties from mesmerize, root/snare, and stun, although other effects such as inability to attack will remain."

yes, so whats the point of your first remark, If you are hitting something and SOS goes up you can still hit it if your not hitting something and it gets fired you can't attack a target.
SOS is great when your group is already in combat or running around in combat mode. When used before the encounter its only usefull as a defensive tool.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by QuickS
Get a better mincer who knows the right time to fire sos

exactly

 

[old.Filip]

SOS is bugged..... dunno if it is only on the euro version..

but during sos you cant

1) Remove snare/desease's/debuff's with a pruge (at least not as a minser)

2) Clr's tell me they cant use some instants (dunno the circumstance's about this bug. but this is what some clr's told me)

3) in some case's you cant go into combat mode.... allso here is some special case's to be meet so this bug pop's up

ialkern knows a bit more about ths sos bug's than me i bet he can make you a long story about it .... but not sure he reads BW

Filip
Minser of HB

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by old.Filip
SOS is bugged..... dunno if it is only on the euro version..

but during sos you cant

1) Remove snare/desease's/debuff's with a pruge (at least not as a minser)

2) Clr's tell me they cant use some instants (dunno the circumstance's about this bug. but this is what some clr's told me)

3) in some case's you cant go into combat mode.... allso here is some special case's to be meet so this bug pop's up

ialkern knows a bit more about ths sos bug's than me i bet he can make you a long story about it .... but not sure he reads BW

Filip
Minser of HB

it's because your mezzed / stunned but still can move.. jesus what is wrong with your guys

 

[old.Filip]

ehhhhhh we know that ....


still i tell you .. SOS is bugged ..... what about the cant cure snare/deseas's/debuff's with purge ...

cougar i presume you are not an idiot ..... try to presume the same about me ... or i will be sure you are an idiot

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by cougar-
try using your buffbots for something else then infils so some clerics can spec smite instead of enchance.

like spec 44 smite for a 30sec 200 radius pbae mezz?

i.e. a mezz which will last for <5 seconds on a det tank which was hitting te cleric?


I'd rather have a 41r cleric and a 39e cleric as #2.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Pin
like spec 44 smite for a 30sec 200 radius pbae mezz?

i.e. a mezz which will last for <5 seconds on a det tank which was hitting te cleric?


I'd rather have a 41r cleric and a 39e cleric as #2.

do you know what we do with our druid/chanter pets when we fight albs?



yeah correct! we put em on healers, actualy that mezz is realy handy, aswell as smite can be sometimes.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by vintervargen
- ae disease (often underrated) (cave shaman/mana eld/?)

Cabalist (body, to add insult to injury). I use it all the time against Mid tank groups, but hey, I am a cloth caster... Getting to be a liability in tank groups.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by cougar-
try using your buffbots for something else then infils so some clerics can spec smite instead of enchance.

Erm....okay...

Maybe I'll respec my cleric based on your recommendations...NOT

 

[old.Filip]

do you know what we do with our druid/chanter pets when we fight albs?

most hibs do .. and albs vs Hibs are nowhere as hard as alb vs mid figths

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by quinthar
Erm....okay...

Maybe I'll respec my cleric based on your recommendations...NOT

you think we use 2 nurture druids in hib?

 

[Rollie_David]

Originally posted by cougar-


actualy that mezz is realy handy, aswell as smite can be sometimes.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by cougar-
So you call me dirty words because i dont agree and you dont have anything more to say? moderators!

Toys....Pram.....

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by old.Filip
most hibs do .. and albs vs Hibs are nowhere as hard as alb vs mid figths

spiritmasters and hunters also have pets you know.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
yes, so whats the point of your first remark, If you are hitting something and SOS goes up you can still hit it if your not hitting something and it gets fired you can't attack a target.
SOS is great when your group is already in combat or running around in combat mode. When used before the encounter its only usefull as a defensive tool.

hehe, this is pretty funny comming from you, you'd think you knew what albion ra's could/couldnt do.


If you blast sos before you get cc'ed, you can move freely and you can attack. (just too bad you aint a mincer, wouldve been damn funny seeing you run around not hitting us @ mach5 for 30secs.