Alb v Mid keep taking.

[Marc]

here is the post from the alliance officers section on the WR forum:



i hope you can see the creation and edit dates/times on that post now.
but as i said earlier, you remind me of my father, so you will prolly still believe it was a RR.

and lets read between the lines here

Time for a keep take eh? Me and Ruathian has come up with a plan that could work for grabbing Benowyc and establish porting there. Midgard is at it's all time low atm and it's become clear that spontaneous keep takes just arent possible anymore.

but as i never said earlier, but am saying now you remind me of a mate at school, he was invariably stupid an all.

 

[Bracken]

i sense 100% whine from albs in this thread!

now mids make fun, and u see 6 pages of whining by albs, funny

Eh up, it's One-Eyed Jack again :worthy:

 

[Whisperess]

you remind me of a mate at school, he was invariably stupid an all.

Wasn't that one of the qualification terms?

 

[Zaphira]

and lets read between the lines here

Time for a keep take eh? Me and Ruathian has come up with a plan that could work for grabbing Benowyc and establish porting there. Midgard is at it's all time low atm and it's become clear that spontaneous keep takes just arent possible anymore.

but as i never said earlier, but am saying now you remind me of a mate at school, he was invariably stupid an all.

ROFL are you for real man?! haha

 

[Vodkafairy]

asp, its different

it takes hours of preparation and planning to get over 100 people (if you're lucky) for a raid, where albs can do a simple cfa on /as and you have an even bigger zerg ready in a couple minutes

if you say your defence was organised, sure i'll believe you because i have no way to know what really happened except to take your word for it. if you had the numbers to defend beno and send 93 albs to get farmed at eras 1 (the hib tower) it should tell you something

the capture of eras tower was opportunism really, albs have as many if not more rvr active players than both hib and mid combined so you can take us together sieging you.

there is no reason why hib and mid shouldnt take advantage of each others actions against alb, because on our own we frankly can't do shit, because of your numbers only

dont take this as an, 'yuo s00kz and we r eleet btu we r too few ;<<' post, because nobody can judge that atm. alb has superiour numbers and any keeptake organised by mid or hib alone, will be trampled. its as easy as that.

even tho some mids are highly irritating pricks, its for the good of the game, rvr and everything if alb loses some relics and, with that, some of their population in rvr

 

[Kaelimar]

how many mids was it involved on this attack?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

i sense 100% whine from albs in this thread!

now mids make fun, and u see 6 pages of whining by albs, funny

Lol - didn't this thread start by a mid whining that we retaliated?

You did good - you got a keep and knocked out some towers, but after the initial defence failed Alb forces got their act together and retook effectively.

BUT - if you awake a sleeping giant expect to get an ass kicking in return. Actually be kinda nice for you to take relics - it was great fun watching half of mid turn red and flames aplenty across the map.

 

[Bracken]

even tho some mids are highly irritating pricks, its for the good of the game, rvr and everything if alb loses some relics and, with that, some of their population in rvr

I agree about losing a relic or 2, although not about Albs losing pop (I'd prefer hibs to return rather than anyone leaving). I'd be more than happy for hibs to have their str relic back (even though the 20% bonus is nice...). However, for the reason you state about some mids, Midgard can go without for a long time to come as far as I'm concerned - children who sulk should be ignored and not rewarded

 

[Marc]

ROFL are you for real man?! haha

If you cant see my point about reading between the lines I rest my case about you being stupid. Enough said now.

To VF

Personally, i think its good that hibs took advantage. WHen the doors went at eras, i think i was the first one into the lord room and it looked like there was about a fg so i steamed into some low RR chanter. Next thing, wether it was lag on my part, i dunno but loads of hibs just popped from no where So I got my ass kicked and tail planted firmly between legs as i jumped back down the stairs

Gives albs more to think about when getting attacked from at the same time from both realms

 

[Alithiel]

the bold tower (one in the ruins) was taken but was recaptured quickly (by FC I guess from the above?)

Doing /who Cohort will generally return a list of 2-3 FC members online (thanks NF )...

So no, it wasn't 'FC'... I just happened to be roaming with the TT group at the time!

 

[Vodkafairy]

come hib alithiel

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

The only real error made by mids was to go for Beno-4... But I think if I was leading, I would have made the same call... Taking Beno-4 would have opened up a way for mids to port into albion...

All in all I found it a rather successfull raid, although I was pretty embarrassed by the fact that it took mids something like 15 minutes to get a ram up on the inner-door of the keep... But I'm sure that a lesson was learned from that, so it wont happen in the future anymore...

But in the end its all about the difference in numbers, mids had to arrange a raid to get 130 to show up... Albs did a couple of /as yells and got 200 to defend/retake... If those 130 mids where in beno, I'm sure albs would have gotten 250-260 albs to defend/retake... Double our numbers, with less effort...

All of which makes me wonder if (before 1.71) we'll ever get close to the relics again...

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

No - they're our precious now

(And stop taking bl**dy ren 4 )

 

[Alithiel]

come hib alithiel

I'd consider it if someone would sell me a fully SC/ToA'd ML10 Female Celt Pierce BM...

 

[Tharion]

i sense 100% whine from albs in this thread!

now mids make fun, and u see 6 pages of whining by albs, funny

I'm not gonna whine, I had a blast!
Give more fun like this

 

[noaim]

So Ardamel quickly knocks up a Beno farm plan to save in c:/ROXOR TACTICS after albs spank the mids back to whence they came. From albs point of view, it looked, to all intent and purposes like a relic raid. I refer to my original point to naoim, that mids were attacking towers, and seen in the vacinity of eras and bold, AFTER Beno was in mid hands!

I will give you a hint to the question "why did you take towers to stop teleporting?". 200 albs attacked Beno before we could take all the Beno towers once teleporting was established again. Is that enough hint for you, or do you want another?

 

[Marc]

I will give you a hint to the question "why did you take towers to stop teleporting?". 200 albs attacked Beno before we could take all the Beno towers once teleporting was established again. Is that enough hint for you, or do you want another?

Another please

 

[noaim]

Another please

I am unsure I have any thats clear enough for you, and like Zaphira said, you are too stubborn to change your mind anyways, so I´ll let you live happy with your stupidity until some roleplayer offends you.

 

[Raven]

i wouldnt call it unorganised zerging by the albs but it really isnt very hard to organise.

BG leader: ok you 100 go take Xkeep towerX you 100 head over and stop inc.... or whatever.

If you have 200 albs it is pretty easy to take whichever target you want. In a hib raid we have to allocate groups and send back ups/taking people from one force to boost another, we just dont have the numbers to just zerg any target in sight.

This is not the Albs players fault as such, its bad game design. Saying that, it is funny when they think they have achieved something but in fact have just out numbered the enemy by 4:1.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

I'll send a block of snow to Marc and see what he'll think about that.

/sits down waiting for a reply.

 

[Marc]

I'll send a block of snow to Marc and see what he'll think about that.

/sits down waiting for a reply.

Been there done that with you, you're small fry mate.

To Raven, for me personally, it was much more organised than in previous times. Yes, for the most part its all about numbers, but in the past, people would just ignore commands given by the organiser, in search of rps, last night, everyone was doing their bit. I think it was the AD group which retook Beno 3

 

[Overpowered]

Be kind on the Albs. Doesnt seem like they know what Mid at least mean by organised defence. Where all follow a common leader and act somewhat as one, where u can split forces and join forces without any big delay and where u can charge/pull back and take strategic points at the leaders command.
The Mid BGs looks like something from a movie battlefield sometimes
"PULL BACK" "PULL BACK" "HOOOOLD" "HOLD" "CHARGE!!!!" -massive deathspam as alb line completely collapses just at the sight of the charge-
The impression Ive gotten from Alb defence/attack in NF is that there aint any "micromanagement" or control in the battlefield. Something that can be seen on how fast their lines collapse when Mid charge.
Looks like ppl get told to go there and there, but nothing else. The reason u win then is plainly due to class/stat and number, not organisation or tactic.

I think it was the AD group which retook Beno 3

AD + 100+ Albs as I can remember. We where plainly horribly outzerged at the last tower. Extremely good RP killing of the Albs trying to get into the tower, but in the end the increasing constant inc of Albs got too much.

 

[Vodkafairy]

shame we'll never know which realm really has the 'best' zerg and best organisation/tactics, because of the retarded population difference

 

[Bracken]

shame we'll never know which realm really has the 'best' zerg and best organisation/tactics

Not really. Would only result in further cases of public e-peen stroking (and the associated e-peen ridicule and envy). uke:

 

[Flimgoblin]

i sense 100% whine from albs in this thread!

now mids make fun, and u see 6 pages of whining by albs, funny

oi I didn't whine

I might have whined about people whining... damn!

 

[Fenderon]

oi I didn't whine

I might have whined about people whining... damn!

yes.. and as you figured out.. thats still whining you QQing whino

 

[Flimgoblin]

incidentally what's with the double the numbers - we've got 40% you have 35% - that's not a double the amount.... if it is then it's down to the ones quitting over no relics, nothing to do with the albs playing.

however a defence call - (especially a "panic! they're going for the relics!" call) will always be easier to rally than an attack. Back in OF you couldn't touch nottmoor without there being a massive mid army 150+ there within 10 minutes. That's without porting...

Of course if it's not a panic call to arms - it's got a lot less effect, people say "nah I'll just stay here and level my artifact" and you get nowhere near the same numbers (I'm guessing that's what happened in midgard when we got these relics, or possibly "yeah yeah we know they're after the relics, but they've been there for the past 12 hours and I'm going to bed" )

Another possible explanation is that alb has 20% of its population as buffbot accounts (so 36% of the server population is active albs, 4% buffbot albs) and midgard has 50% of its population as buffbot accounts (so 17.5% active mids, 17.5% buffbot mids). That'd give you your 2-1 odds....

 

[Flimgoblin]

yes.. and as you figured out.. thats still whining you QQing whino

don't whine about me whining about my own whining about whiners whining!

 

[Deerstalker]

the best archer the best caster has to take keeps when everyone is in bed?

Now your just talking bollocks.

 

[Killrake]

Marc did u fell and hurt ur head when u was a kid?
Or u maybe have not yet fully developed brain? or?