A/C on mids a relic was stolen!!

[Kagato]

Whatever you want to believe, just don't post the same lameass post in every fucking thread, you are boring.

you reap what you sow.

 

[dub]

you reap what you sow.

hmmm that mean that since you have "reaped" prime time action you will sow some also or doesnt it work that way around ?

 

[Reno]

Nope it doesn't.
As CM posted the 2nd to last time they ACed the relics, Albs don't like all the primetime attention. It interferes with their sleeping patterns.

Danita

 

[Teslacoil]

don't worry about kagato , he has become a FH brat with no more common sense then a goldfish since he started here , there was once a kagato to respect , but he mist have died and left he's acc to a brother or cousin we never heard of that is a relic from the age of idiots.


keep on playing fellas , and try to teach the albs what fun is , cause they have and will allway's be the ones to fuck up Honor.

 

[Golena]

I see the new e-bayed Kagato is out and about making a tit of himself again.

Most people only e-bay their characters, seems kag e-bayed his FH account to the 3 year old as well... geez he must of been desperate for money!

 

[Dukat]

I hate being generalised as an ACing alb.

You would be suprised how many albs actually prefer a fight in primetime. I hate logging in to see that someone has AC'ed the relics at night and made it so that there is no point in any large scale keeptaking in the day.

I think, with respect, that the argument that not everyone can play primetime due to "working hours of simply drastic time zone differances" is wrong - This is a UK cluster. If you are in the wrong time zone then sorry, but tough luck, reroll on a cluster in the correct timezone and stop making the rest of us pay for your own mistake.

I hate the fact that lately it has been my realm who are perpetrating these AC raids the most and that there is nothing I can realistically do about it aside from declining to take part, and yet any fight I win with the relic bonuses feels like a shallow victory because of the manner in which that relic bonus was achieved.

I said it in the other thread, I'll say it again, bear in mind while you are /ruding every alb you see, that not all albs support these raids, as TT clearly showed.

 

[brad]

hmmm that mean that since you have "reaped" prime time action you will sow some also or doesnt it work that way around ?

hehe i liked that one.

 

[swords]

In that case, we sowed retards because theres fucking loads of them now.

 

[Kagato]

In that case, we sowed retards because theres fucking loads of them now.

Which says something about the way you acted then no?

 

[BloodOmen]

you clueless moron

I agree lukey! now roll gaheris xD the bosses on there are alot more challenging than RvR xD

 

[trycorn]

Which says something about the way you acted then no?

naah says more about the "majority" of alb's pop atm...

 

[swords]

Not realy a majority though, but still a significant value.

 

[Knothead]

Im honestly amazed people seem to care so much about them, relics change hands, they have for the past 5 years, and more often then not it will be by a method deemed 'unfair' regardless of who makes the attack.

Its 10%, big deal, get over it, they will change hands again by next week, its really not worth getting all bent out of shape over.

kagato i think you know your wrong in this statement. yes all realms have Aced but albs abuse it . since cluster hibs have done 90% prime time raids dunno how many mids have albs did 1st days of cluster since then CM/Kf have ruined it. you put a full day of keep take/RR in .... ok most times you fail RR attempt finishes 1am approx next moring stupid people who are ruining the game take all keeps back and the pve the relic back is theis good for the game? no!! and you know it the game had prob another year left not anymore CM/KF have ruined it now a lot of other albs jumped on the band wagon its 24/7 game shite the game has 3 months left as a viable server ...thanks albs for ruining a good game just hope horner and CM/KF do not go and play WAR and kagato thought you was a respectable alb maybe i was wrong ...maybe you should join CM ?

 

[Kagato]

kagato i think you know your wrong in this statement. yes all realms have Aced but albs abuse it . since cluster hibs have done 90% prime time raids dunno how many mids have albs did 1st days of cluster since then CM/Kf have ruined it. you put a full day of keep take/RR in .... ok most times you fail RR attempt finishes 1am approx next moring stupid people who are ruining the game take all keeps back and the pve the relic back is theis good for the game? no!! and you know it the game had prob another year left not anymore CM/KF have ruined it now a lot of other albs jumped on the band wagon its 24/7 game shite the game has 3 months left as a viable server ...thanks albs for ruining a good game just hope horner and CM/KF do not go and play WAR and kagato thought you was a respectable alb maybe i was wrong ...maybe you should join CM ?

I respect your opinion, seeing as you've taken the time to put your thoughts into words rather then pointless insults like many others would off, however I do not agree with you.

AC raids can be annoying, they can be frustrating, I do not like them anymore then anyone else does, but do they ruin the game? do they make it unplayable?

No, I do not think so at all. Relics might change hands a couple of times every few months at most these days, and even when they do, unless 1 realm has all 6 you wont see much of a differance in the over all power of the realm, the only differance you will see is 2 pissed of realms camping that 1 stronger realms frontier until they have their relics back, which in my opinion would be some pretty damn exciting RvR !

To say those 2 guilds are ruining RvR is clutching at straws to be honest, specially when alot of the people doing the whining (not necessarily yourself), don't even get involved in sieges except to leech or only login twice a week.

Yes its annoying if you really care about relics, but its by no means the end of the world or the end of the game unless you want it to be, I think alot are just using this as an excuse to break away from the game. Which is fine if they wish to look at it that way. But for me and most players, relics don't matter a toss 99% of the time when your RvRing, its only when theres an actual raid in progress anyone pays attention to them, and when the raids over, thats it, forgotten about again for another few months.

How anyone can get so worked up over that I don't know.

 

[Belisar]

do they ruin the game? do they make it unplayable?

...you will see is 2 pissed of realms camping that 1 stronger realms frontier until they have their relics back,

I think you have made a few key points here.

Firstly it is a game. Therefore people play to enjoy it.

The general moan seems to be that a limited number of albs (and it is albs who are mainly responsible lately) are AC raiding. Seeing your 4 hours of primetime work undone overnight is not great. Seeing even more than that i.e. the relic going walkies, is frustrating as hell. It is not fun and it is not enjoyable.

So two realms (mid and hib) camp alb and lets say they get the relic(s) back.

Oh look an alb AC raid just takes it back again. So both other realms begin the evening on the back foot and yet again their 4 hours of work are all for nothing. People play the game and put the time in to have fun and get a reward for their work.

Does 10% make a difference. Of course it does, in a close fight it can make all the difference. That is why so many people are getting annoyed and frustrated about it all.

The game is mature and perhaps you are right in that a lot of people just needed an excuse to move on to something else. However the issue of AC raids has been brewing over these forums for some time. The people conducting the AC raids may not read these forums so may not appreciate the feelings of the other realms. Seems to be to be very shortsighted however to drive the enemy away from the game.

In the case of DAOC and RvR it is not so much about winning and losing, not in the long term at least. If winning means you are the last realm standing then that means the game is over. I am pretty sure people would prefer not to see the game over.

 

[swords]

^^ can't help it if you make your points clear elsewhere yet people still don't seem to understand, gets a little frustrating you see.

 

[Tuthmes]

I respect your opinion, seeing as you've taken the time to put your thoughts into words rather then pointless insults like many others would off, however I do not agree with you.

AC raids can be annoying, they can be frustrating, I do not like them anymore then anyone else does, but do they ruin the game? do they make it unplayable?

No, I do not think so at all. Relics might change hands a couple of times every few months at most these days, and even when they do, unless 1 realm has all 6 you wont see much of a differance in the over all power of the realm, the only differance you will see is 2 pissed of realms camping that 1 stronger realms frontier until they have their relics back, which in my opinion would be some pretty damn exciting RvR !

To say those 2 guilds are ruining RvR is clutching at straws to be honest, specially when alot of the people doing the whining (not necessarily yourself), don't even get involved in sieges except to leech or only login twice a week.

Yes its annoying if you really care about relics, but its by no means the end of the world or the end of the game unless you want it to be, I think alot are just using this as an excuse to break away from the game. Which is fine if they wish to look at it that way. But for me and most players, relics don't matter a toss 99% of the time when your RvRing, its only when theres an actual raid in progress anyone pays attention to them, and when the raids over, thats it, forgotten about again for another few months.

How anyone can get so worked up over that I don't know.

Seriously after all whats bin said over the last couple of weeks, how can you still cough up that story? Less bs'ing over relics, people needing an excuse or whatever.
It's the shitty morning raids, in which everything that gets undone and the shitty attitude of people not wanting to come off the bridges, cause they've made 11k rps in 4 ours of some fg that comes passing by every 30min.
It's the end of the game, because certain people are acting like dickheads and never even bothered to change or even to look at it from a different pov.

 

[Tuthmes]

^^ can't help it if you make your points clear elsewhere yet people still don't seem to understand, gets a little frustrating you see.

Yes indeed.

 

[pip]

Losing relics in the night is not a big issue to the albs cause they are the ones that benefit from it if it was mids doing it dam the QQ would be 100 times worse imo

 

[dub]

I hate being generalised as an ACing alb.

You would be suprised how many albs actually prefer a fight in primetime. I hate logging in to see that someone has AC'ed the relics at night and made it so that there is no point in any large scale keeptaking in the day.

I think, with respect, that the argument that not everyone can play primetime due to "working hours of simply drastic time zone differances" is wrong - This is a UK cluster. If you are in the wrong time zone then sorry, but tough luck, reroll on a cluster in the correct timezone and stop making the rest of us pay for your own mistake.

I hate the fact that lately it has been my realm who are perpetrating these AC raids the most and that there is nothing I can realistically do about it aside from declining to take part, and yet any fight I win with the relic bonuses feels like a shallow victory because of the manner in which that relic bonus was achieved.

I said it in the other thread, I'll say it again, bear in mind while you are /ruding every alb you see, that not all albs support these raids, as TT clearly showed.

make prime time attempts to show us that there is albs that want primetime action ?

untill then ill generalize im afraid as there is nothing to distinguish betveen

 

[Asha]

I love how the ppl leaving are told the reason they THINK they are leaving isn't the real reason. Because they couldn't possibly know without being told? Idiots...

 

[Kagato]

Seriously after all whats bin said over the last couple of weeks, how can you still cough up that story? Less bs'ing over relics, people needing an excuse or whatever.
It's the shitty morning raids, in which everything that gets undone and the shitty attitude of people not wanting to come off the bridges, cause they've made 11k rps in 4 ours of some fg that comes passing by every 30min.
It's the end of the game, because certain people are acting like dickheads and never even bothered to change or even to look at it from a different pov.

'Everything gets undone' ? So because a keep you took during the day gets retaken a few hours later at night it means the game is not worth playing anymore? Do you REALLY think it matters that much? Keep siturations have changed every time I log back in after work, do I care? no. It just adds variety and means you have another goal or different RvR situration to face.

'Everything that gets undone' ? please, think about it, its just keeps, they change hands more often then dodgy tenners. Its no reason to quit, as for the bridge camping, you can hardly bring that into the discussion as all realms do that equally as bad as another, and the mushroom realm will always do it more effectively then mids or albs if they choose too.

 

[Lisaliten]

Just leave the server like the rest of us

 

[trycorn]

Its no reason to quit, as for the bridge camping, you can hardly bring that into the discussion as all realms do that equally as bad as another, and the mushroom realm will always do it more effectively then mids or albs if they choose too.

and yet it have actualy been alb's and mid's that have done it the best cos they have choosen to... and no if u pick 1 or 2 bad thing's its not a reason to quit, but if u take all the crap that is going on, and mix it with the fact nothing will change and sturr it abit u will come up with some nice reasons to actualy quit...

but hey, LONG LIVE HIBGARD in the attempts to bring down the Evil empire of Albion... or something like that...

 

[Kagato]

oooh, empire, I love that word, it just sounds soooo...nice.

But on a more serious note, sure I can understand how a multitude of reasons can make people want to quit, heck I just to quit once myself but just couldn't find another game with a worthy pvp system. Between the inbalance, the time dump and the degrading community I sometimes wonder why I bother myself too.

But if I did quit, it sure as hell wouldn't be because a few people take some keeps during the night.

And I don't honestly believe for a moment that any one realm camps bridges more then the others.

 

[Teslacoil]

'Everything gets undone' ? So because a keep you took during the day gets retaken a few hours later at night it means the game is not worth playing anymore? Do you REALLY think it matters that much? Keep siturations have changed every time I log back in after work, do I care? no. It just adds variety and means you have another goal or different RvR situration to face.

'Everything that gets undone' ? please, think about it, its just keeps, they change hands more often then dodgy tenners. Its no reason to quit, as for the bridge camping, you can hardly bring that into the discussion as all realms do that equally as bad as another, and the mushroom realm will always do it more effectively then mids or albs if they choose too.

Kagato:

As you put it it sounds like this ( sorry if i am misstaken ) , people play how they wish to play , leave honour and respect where it belongs in the shitpile and let it rot there and let the worms feed on it.


Well take this for a direct and accurate example if you can't understand the others so far maybe this one will help you understand.

say for instance Ardamel the warleader of mid comes back , and thanks to he's long living reputation all mids will gather when he snaps he's fingers , and he lay's down a plan to take a relic from albs on primetime, firstly he has laid down over 1-2 weeks on preparation with talks with guilds and explaining what there job is , then after the planning they take action , suddenly alb is full of fun , people defend and attack , the fight goes back and forth , EVERYONE is enjoying themselves even albs , and if relic is gone after that do albs weep? no, they say hurray over some action!

and with the relic safely tucked away in the keep all the mids that have participated in the plans and on the strike feel happy and even maybe proud over that they still can accomplish succesfull prime time raids so they go to sleep with a smile...suddenly the people who have night as their primetime (sidenote: why play on a EU server then ?) suddenly see a relic they can take and they do take it with 0 defences no fight , no fun , oly stealing.


well to end this story short , mids wake up and see their hard earned but FUN earned relic is gone over night cause people wanna play how they choose.


now when you read this do you still belive i's fun for the majority of albs to be proud over themselves ? and do you feel that your arguments are only meant to be flamebaiting ? hope this very CLEAR example can explain the disdain people feel about this game.

Regards

Berget

 

[xxManiacxx]

Kagato:

As you put it it sounds like this ( sorry if i am misstaken ) , people play how they wish to play , leave honour and respect where it belongs in the shitpile and let it rot there and let the worms feed on it.


Well take this for a direct and accurate example if you can't understand the others so far maybe this one will help you understand.

say for instance Ardamel the warleader of mid comes back , and thanks to he's long living reputation all mids will gather when he snaps he's fingers , and he lay's down a plan to take a relic from albs on primetime, firstly he has laid down over 1-2 weeks on preparation with talks with guilds and explaining what there job is , then after the planning they take action , suddenly alb is full of fun , people defend and attack , the fight goes back and forth , EVERYONE is enjoying themselves even albs , and if relic is gone after that do albs weep? no, they say hurray over some action!

and with the relic safely tucked away in the keep all the mids that have participated in the plans and on the strike feel happy and even maybe proud over that they still can accomplish succesfull prime time raids so they go to sleep with a smile...suddenly the people who have night as their primetime (sidenote: why play on a EU server then ?) suddenly see a relic they can take and they do take it with 0 defences no fight , no fun , oly stealing.


well to end this story short , mids wake up and see their hard earned but FUN earned relic is gone over night cause people wanna play how they choose.


now when you read this do you still belive i's fun for the majority of albs to be proud over themselves ? and do you feel that your arguments are only meant to be flamebaiting ? hope this very CLEAR example can explain the disdain people feel about this game.

Regards

Berget

Pretty much summed up why I stopped leading relic raids. (along time ago now though)

 

[Gahn]

Oops they did it again.
Ofc Goa will keep doing fuck nothing about it since it's CRYSTAL clear that there's NO pattern at all in 4 ACed Relics in 2 weeks.

 

[locherbread]

Kagato:

As you put it it sounds like this ( sorry if i am misstaken ) , people play how they wish to play , leave honour and respect where it belongs in the shitpile and let it rot there and let the worms feed on it.


Well take this for a direct and accurate example if you can't understand the others so far maybe this one will help you understand.

say for instance Ardamel the warleader of mid comes back , and thanks to he's long living reputation all mids will gather when he snaps he's fingers , and he lay's down a plan to take a relic from albs on primetime, firstly he has laid down over 1-2 weeks on preparation with talks with guilds and explaining what there job is , then after the planning they take action , suddenly alb is full of fun , people defend and attack , the fight goes back and forth , EVERYONE is enjoying themselves even albs , and if relic is gone after that do albs weep? no, they say hurray over some action!

and with the relic safely tucked away in the keep all the mids that have participated in the plans and on the strike feel happy and even maybe proud over that they still can accomplish succesfull prime time raids so they go to sleep with a smile...suddenly the people who have night as their primetime (sidenote: why play on a EU server then ?) suddenly see a relic they can take and they do take it with 0 defences no fight , no fun , oly stealing.


well to end this story short , mids wake up and see their hard earned but FUN earned relic is gone over night cause people wanna play how they choose.


now when you read this do you still belive i's fun for the majority of albs to be proud over themselves ? and do you feel that your arguments are only meant to be flamebaiting ? hope this very CLEAR example can explain the disdain people feel about this game.

Regards

Berget

Above is the reason I become disillusioned playing daoc, its the bare faced cheek of those minority albs who make doing primetime raids pointless & GOA also saying "There is no pattern here" even though its now happened 4-5 times in the past two weeks....

 

[Tuthmes]

oooh, empire, I love that word, it just sounds soooo...nice.

But on a more serious note, sure I can understand how a multitude of reasons can make people want to quit, heck I just to quit once myself but just couldn't find another game with a worthy pvp system. Between the inbalance, the time dump and the degrading community I sometimes wonder why I bother myself too.

But if I did quit, it sure as hell wouldn't be because a few people take some keeps during the night.

And I don't honestly believe for a moment that any one realm camps bridges more then the others.

Hmm if you go back in time a bit i'm quite sure you'll find that mids mastered that art at brynja long before albs and hibs did.
Anyways you seem to think the sudden decrease of players is just natural. If its that natural why didnt it happen on most of the other servers aswell?