A/C on mids a relic was stolen!!

[Dr_Evil]

Kagato:

As you put it it sounds like this ( sorry if i am misstaken ) , people play how they wish to play , leave honour and respect where it belongs in the shitpile and let it rot there and let the worms feed on it.


Well take this for a direct and accurate example if you can't understand the others so far maybe this one will help you understand.

say for instance Ardamel the warleader of mid comes back , and thanks to he's long living reputation all mids will gather when he snaps he's fingers , and he lay's down a plan to take a relic from albs on primetime, firstly he has laid down over 1-2 weeks on preparation with talks with guilds and explaining what there job is , then after the planning they take action , suddenly alb is full of fun , people defend and attack , the fight goes back and forth , EVERYONE is enjoying themselves even albs , and if relic is gone after that do albs weep? no, they say hurray over some action!

and with the relic safely tucked away in the keep all the mids that have participated in the plans and on the strike feel happy and even maybe proud over that they still can accomplish succesfull prime time raids so they go to sleep with a smile...suddenly the people who have night as their primetime (sidenote: why play on a EU server then ?) suddenly see a relic they can take and they do take it with 0 defences no fight , no fun , oly stealing.


well to end this story short , mids wake up and see their hard earned but FUN earned relic is gone over night cause people wanna play how they choose.


now when you read this do you still belive i's fun for the majority of albs to be proud over themselves ? and do you feel that your arguments are only meant to be flamebaiting ? hope this very CLEAR example can explain the disdain people feel about this game.

Regards

Berget

Exactly,

and those ACers also ruin Midgard's chance to have fun defending the relic the next day(s), and they ruin Albion's chance to get to try taking a relic prime time. This makes people sad, and feel it's pointless to try and achieve something, wich is not fun. Most people play games for fun, and when it's not fun anymore they quit.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Hmm if you go back in time a bit i'm quite sure you'll find that mids mastered that art at brynja long before albs and hibs did.
Anyways you seem to think the sudden decrease of players is just natural. If its that natural why didnt it happen on most of the other servers aswell?

They don't care about relics?

 

[Dukat]

ill generalize im afraid as there is nothing to distinguish betveen

Yea, because its not like one of our guilds lowered a keep's level so an AC'd relic could be retaken is it?

What about the poll about that guild's actions? the one where the majority of albs who voted supported the action?

There is obviously something to distinguish between ACing albs and Non ACing albs. You are not looking hard enough if you cant see it. As I said, there is nothing that us albs who do not support the AC raids can do aside from not taking part. GoA have made it clear that any action like TT's will result in reprisals, so what the fuck can we do?

Meanwhile we get slated by everyone on FH saying "scumbag EU albs ruining the server".

Its not fucking fair and I'm getting more and more pissed off about it. There is nothing we can do about the AC raids. Nothing.

 

[Tuthmes]

They don't care about relics?

And your point would be?

 

[Phule_Gubben]

And your point would be?

The population decrease, why it happened here and not on other servers. Maybe on the other servers they don't care as much about relics? I dunno thou, just guessing.

 

[Tuthmes]

The population decrease, why it happened here and not on other servers. Maybe on the other servers they don't care as much about relics? I dunno thou, just guessing.

owwwke.

 

[Teslacoil]

The population decrease, why it happened here and not on other servers. Maybe on the other servers they don't care as much about relics? I dunno thou, just guessing.

NO one cares about the relics more then anyone else, it's the way of how they are taken , like in the good old day's phule don't you remember CTA ? when fom alliance was at it's prime, where people helped to defend or attack , whatever was called for and to have EPIC fights and not sneak em out when even the rats are sleeping...

 

[Asha]

Yea, because its not like one of our guilds lowered a keep's level so an AC'd relic could be retaken is it?

What about the poll about that guild's actions? the one where the majority of albs who voted supported the action?

There is obviously something to distinguish between ACing albs and Non ACing albs. You are not looking hard enough if you cant see it. As I said, there is nothing that us albs who do not support the AC raids can do aside from not taking part. GoA have made it clear that any action like TT's will result in reprisals, so what the fuck can we do?

Meanwhile we get slated by everyone on FH saying "scumbag EU albs ruining the server".

Its not fucking fair and I'm getting more and more pissed off about it. There is nothing we can do about the AC raids. Nothing.

according to requiel you can reroll and cross-realm

Ha.

 

[dub]

Yea, because its not like one of our guilds lowered a keep's level so an AC'd relic could be retaken is it?

What about the poll about that guild's actions? the one where the majority of albs who voted supported the action?

There is obviously something to distinguish between ACing albs and Non ACing albs. You are not looking hard enough if you cant see it. As I said, there is nothing that us albs who do not support the AC raids can do aside from not taking part. GoA have made it clear that any action like TT's will result in reprisals, so what the fuck can we do?

Meanwhile we get slated by everyone on FH saying "scumbag EU albs ruining the server".

Its not fucking fair and I'm getting more and more pissed off about it. There is nothing we can do about the AC raids. Nothing.

its not that complicated really , raid hib or mid primetime , its all nice that albs vote they agree with TT reducing keep level and also nice gesture that TT did it , but its still just gestures.

not enough to distinguish anything but fh signatures

 

[Dukat]

its not that complicated really , raid hib or mid primetime , its all nice that albs vote they agree with TT reducing keep level and also nice gesture that TT did it , but its still just gestures.

So we take a tower and look what happens.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=211578

 

[Erulin]

suddenly the people who have night as their primetime (sidenote: why play on a EU server then ?)

Euh, aren't alot people that are upset at the AC raids moving to the US servers ? Wouldn't that make them play in, what is European Primetime, night time in America ? If they ever try going for a relic then... would that not effectively make them AC raiders on the US servers, for its intended audiance... the American Playerbase ?

Or are you gonna play there only at night yourself (= US Primetime) ? If so... why not do that on this server and put an end to AC raids... It's very hard to play in US primetime and be awake during the European day light hours.

I don't get the logic behind moving to the US servers over AC raiding. I played US servers before comming here and I came here because it was way to hard to play in US primetime and work during the day. Especially once TOA was launched as you HAD to stay up for hours at night to get your ML's done.

 

[Teslacoil]

Euh, aren't alot people that are upset at the AC raids moving to the US servers ? Wouldn't that make them play in, what is European Primetime, night time in America ? If they ever try going for a relic then... would that not effectively make them AC raiders on the US servers, for its intended audiance... the American Playerbase ?

Or are you gonna play there only at night yourself (= US Primetime) ? If so... why not do that on this server and put an end to AC raids... It's very hard to play in US primetime and be awake during the European day light hours.

I don't get the logic behind moving to the US servers over AC raiding. I played US servers before comming here and I came here because it was way to hard to play in US primetime and work during the day. Especially once TOA was launched as you HAD to stay up for hours at night to get your ML's done.

um u answered my point exactly yourself , so what was it u didn't understand ?

 

[Erulin]

um u answered my point exactly yourself , so what was it u didn't understand ?

Why people have to get all uppety and move to the US servers to do there exactly the thing they are leaving this place for ?

Not that I don't understand your point, I don't understand theirs. IF they are gonna help their new US realms in US Prime Time, then for god sake why not do it here instead and put up a fight against the AC raids.

 

[dub]

So we take a tower and look what happens.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=211578

correct me if im wrong , but this is one tower taken bit out of primetime ? , i fail to see the relevance.

i atleast choose to believe that albs can do better

 

[Teslacoil]

Why people have to get all uppety and move to the US servers to do there exactly the thing they are leaving this place for ?

Not that I don't understand your point, I don't understand theirs. IF they are gonna help their new US realms in US Prime Time, then for god sake why not do it here instead and put up a fight against the AC raids.

ah ok


Well see it this way , they are fed up with the state of the server on EU today , but they still don't wanna qiut alltogether , they are just roaming there untill it get better ( sidenote: IF it ever will get better ) , or untill they actually see it as you see it and understand they are no more better then the ac'ers on EU and finally quit alltogether...

 

[Drege]

Blablabla

 

[Fuaip]

if you stop playing because of relics you really shouldnt play this game at all.. what else to do at night if theres no one online to fight execpt keeps and relics?

 

[Teslacoil]

if you stop playing because of relics you really shouldnt play this game at all.. what else to do at night if theres no one online to fight execpt keeps and relics?

He shooots! and HE SCORES !!! THW CROWD IS GOING MAD !!!! WHAT A NICE FLAMEBAIT !

 

[Alme]

if you stop playing because of relics you really shouldnt play this game at all.. what else to do at night if theres no one online to fight execpt keeps and relics?

yes cuz it really gotta be alot of fun pveing keeps in the middle of the night.

 

[Shike]

Euh, aren't alot people that are upset at the AC raids moving to the US servers ? Wouldn't that make them play in, what is European Primetime, night time in America ? If they ever try going for a relic then... would that not effectively make them AC raiders on the US servers, for its intended audiance... the American Playerbase ?

Or are you gonna play there only at night yourself (= US Primetime) ? If so... why not do that on this server and put an end to AC raids... It's very hard to play in US primetime and be awake during the European day light hours.

I don't get the logic behind moving to the US servers over AC raiding. I played US servers before comming here and I came here because it was way to hard to play in US primetime and work during the day. Especially once TOA was launched as you HAD to stay up for hours at night to get your ML's done.

You forget something important, actually very important.

Mythic design the game around the USservers, the USservers dynamics differs from the EUservers. How it affects relics specifically is simple..

USservers has players all around the clock, 24/7. Japs, yanks, kiwis, swedes, russians, koreans etc. All in different timezones and DAoC US is active RVRwise all day long while EU share timezone and thus is far less active during our own nighttime. You cannot nightraid relics in US so easy, doesnt matter which time of the day you try it but you will find resistance, unless the cluster is dying. It aint like in UK where a shitty guildgrp can take them with ease since everyone else is asleep.

GOA should have been active and solved relicguarding differently or force mythic to give EU an alternative solution or give tools that affect guardspawn, levels of those, etc etc etc.. Simple problem with a simple reason that require a simple solution. Mythic/GOA set the rules and premises, from that its up to players to act like wankers or not and sadly wankers are always all around us, whether we like it or not. Personally I think GOA should have solved the problematic nightraids somehow but thats just me I guess, its too much to ask perhaps and at this state, who gives a shit anyway, its a dying game.

 

[Craparoni]

Its a dying game Shike cuz pps let it die, this game still has alot of fun in it, and its a darn shame really.

 

[Fuaip]

yes cuz it really gotta be alot of fun pveing keeps in the middle of the night.

seems like someone likes to do it.. let them.. the relic difference isnt that big or at least not big enough to leave for..

 

[Pohjan Poika]

one of the big parts in this game are the relics tbh.. they are more or less designed to be battled over. doesnt matter when you do it, if someone takes your relic it pretty much forces you to go and get it back (am i wrong?)..

the more relics change hands/owners then more you have to battle for them, and the reward for having other realms relics isnt all too bad.

the game isnt all about the 8v8 aggra fights, zerging, camping bridges, adding, soloing or taking relics/keeps... they are just a part of what makes the game - so get over the AC raids and stuff and do something about it.. like making thier frontier look like a fire all in all.


and to all you "its a dying game" folks.. ye maybe thats true but you dont have to ruin it for those that enjoy it. even tho they might enjoy "pveing" relics or camp bridge and the list goes on. let the ppl play it the way they want, if you dont like it adapt to it in someway atleast.. dont go to the bridges, avoid zergs or arrange relic raids

one of the reasons why I for one dont like the EU servers is the community

 

[kirennia]

one of the big parts in this game are the relics tbh.. they are more or less designed to be battled over. doesnt matter when you do it, if someone takes your relic it pretty much forces you to go and get it back (am i wrong?)..

the more relics change hands/owners then more you have to battle for them, and the reward for having other realms relics isnt all too bad.

the game isnt all about the 8v8 aggra fights, zerging, camping bridges, adding, soloing or taking relics/keeps... they are just a part of what makes the game - so get over the AC raids and stuff and do something about it.. like making thier frontier look like a fire all in all.


and to all you "its a dying game" folks.. ye maybe thats true but you dont have to ruin it for those that enjoy it. even tho they might enjoy "pveing" relics or camp bridge and the list goes on. let the ppl play it the way they want, if you dont like it adapt to it in someway atleast.. dont go to the bridges, avoid zergs or arrange relic raids

one of the reasons why I for one dont like the EU servers is the community

I think you're missing the point. Why spend hours organising different guilds to do different things, setting up a decent strategy, battle for hours on end and then MAYBE have a relic at the end of it with 100 peoples effort when 8 people will get the exact same reward for 2 hours work...

That's why people have given up, it's not about the relics themselves, it's the constant need to go and take them back spending a long long time doing it with a 100 people only for 8 to do it in a fraction of the time.

 

[Kagato]

I think you're missing the point. Why spend hours organising different guilds to do different things, setting up a decent strategy, battle for hours on end and then MAYBE have a relic at the end of it with 100 peoples effort when 8 people will get the exact same reward for 2 hours work...

That's why people have given up, it's not about the relics themselves, it's the constant need to go and take them back spending a long long time doing it with a 100 people only for 8 to do it in a fraction of the time.

heheh seriously, how many pre-organised relic raids has their been, where different guilds have had different strategic jobs with a pre-defined roll for a plan made in advance since new frontiers?

Those kind of raids simply are not possible anymore due to so many people playing different realms, you cannot keep a plan like that a secret, heck it was hard enough in old frontiers let alone now.

NF simply does not encourage that kind of relic raid, most relic raids now, even prime time, are just huge zerg RvR events that went well and gave the opportunity for a relic.

Nice 'tactical' relic raids died with Old Frontiers sadly.

 

[swords]

Ask Mastade.

 

[Icebreaker]

heheh seriously, how many pre-organised relic raids has their been, where different guilds have had different strategic jobs with a pre-defined roll for a plan made in advance since new frontiers?

Those kind of raids simply are not possible anymore due to so many people playing different realms, you cannot keep a plan like that a secret, heck it was hard enough in old frontiers let alone now.

NF simply does not encourage that kind of relic raid, most relic raids now, even prime time, are just huge zerg RvR events that went well and gave the opportunity for a relic.

Nice 'tactical' relic raids died with Old Frontiers sadly.

Maybe in Albion but in Hib all Relic Raids including the NF ones had plans. Different Guilds/Groups with their own strategic jobs. Be it a Tower, a keep or intercepting incoming enemies. Relic Carrier Groups, Intercept Groups, Tower Groups...etc. We didn't had to show the plans before. It was enough to tell the special Groups where to go and what to do during the Raid. It works for us because everyone is listening to the leader.

Only a Alb can think getting a Relic is just zerging everything away.How should you know anyway since your Realm hasn't done anything impressive to get a relic apart from early morning raids.

And yea ask Mastade!

 

[Stallion]

Having the relics is not all about who took what at what time There is a bigger picture here it is about honor and imo there are a few riff raff out there that won't rest to they kill this server and nothing is being done about these MORONS that insist on loggin in at night just to grieve a large majority of gamers

now this is a big news flash..

"pip talks out about honor..."

 

[Muylaetrix]

I think you're missing the point. Why spend hours organising different guilds to do different things, setting up a decent strategy, battle for hours on end and then MAYBE have a relic at the end of it with 100 peoples effort when 8 people will get the exact same reward for 2 hours work...

this seems like an unreasonable way of thinking (to me at least). the game doesn`t stop when you (or i, or whoever) log.

The enjoyment you get is `insta`. you do something, you get a `reward`. getting a suit / ml / cl / high RR are rewards that STAY. taking a keep / tower / relic / ... are insta gratification rewards. they have NO long term effect whatsoever. (unlike in OF where a realm could take relics and keep em for 2 years...)

this game was sold as 24/7. even if my daily occupations don`t permit me to stay up past 100 AM anymore most days unless in a lucky weekend, it is a 24/7 game.

The game doesn`t stop when you log. if you expect to find the fronteer in the same situation as you left it 18 hours ago, i dunno really what you are doing in a mmorpg.

my playing time is like from 2000 to 2400 most days nowadays. so people play at other times. do i whine if something in the fronteer changes between 2400 and 2000 ? do i whine if some people take a keep during the afternoon (when everyone should be at work/school) ? everybody can go do a night with a few hours less sleep, most people are not willing to miss a day at work/school for a game however... according to that logic, daytime raids are much worse than nighttime raids.

shit happens, part of the game. though. and it all makes less and less sense to me tbh.

WHATEVER you do ingame can be undone 30 mins after you log. frustrating ? probably.

on the other side ...

the english spoken cluster of goa has taken a crash dive. player numbers have dropped at a scary speed. yesterday i was able to SOLO a mid owned ddb tower with my cleric (no ram or anything, just a cleric who beat up gate and then beat up the capt.). like wtf ???

I think for a lot of peole the difference between `hey i am just playing the game` vs `you griefer !!!` has become very difficult to spot.

i haven`t been on a relic take in the last few months... i think people have the right to do relic takes whenever they take. But it is PROBABLY true that some people only attended these late night raids for the soul purpose of griefing, most people who attended them are very normal people who just played the game at slightly odd hours/ stayed up a bit longer than normal, and had fun.

one funny thing though is that a lot of people who quit the euro servers and moved to US servers because of `out of normal hours raids` come tell us who much better the US servers are because there is more 24/7 action. it just doesn`t make sense to me.

enough theories, fact is the server is in a very bad condition and i see no solutions really. it saddens me.

 

[Muylaetrix]

Maybe in Albion but in Hib all Relic Raids including the NF ones had plans. Different Guilds/Groups with their own strategic jobs. Be it a Tower, a keep or intercepting incoming enemies. Relic Carrier Groups, Intercept Groups, Tower Groups...etc. We didn't had to show the plans before. It was enough to tell the special Groups where to go and what to do during the Raid. It works for us because everyone is listening to the leader.

Only a Alb can think getting a Relic is just zerging everything away.How should you know anyway since your Realm hasn't done anything impressive to get a relic apart from early morning raids.

And yea ask Mastade!

i think the last relic raid done with a plan by albion, was years ago by Herbal.

nowadays (hmm, up to a week ago... ) in albion there seems to be almost NO planning. if enough people are doing the same thing, one person might start a BG, if that person is capable, the BG might achieve something... it just goes from hour to hour, and if things go the right way, people can plan the next step (30 mins away, not more). anticipation on an evolving situation by a BG leader seems much more important than actual planning in albion.

in albion we seem to have less trouble to get nesc numbers, but have it way harder to make em work toghether.

the kinda of `control` that Aran, Mastade and others get seems impossible in albion.