2H Paladins

[AbPoon]

Hmmm also in pve main thing my guild pally does is grab the aggro till it gets cc'd and under control then hang aggro on main mob while other tanks lay down the dmg with positional styles while the mob bounces off the pallys shield.

How the hell can a 2h pally forfill that role?

The reason i say its crap is that 2h pallys are usless in pve and cannot do there job at all and in no way shape or form, in rvr their low chants means you miss the high end/da/heal chants, tell you what i'll role a skald 50 sword rest parry, fuck my groups speed but i'll be ok in a duel :/

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by lac_desariel
Didnt Read all the posts, But i did read RvR is about Damage fast.... Thats why i belive S+S pallys are what we need more...
Ok before the critics come in yes 2hand > 1 hand for damage, BUT example i know to be true...

Lac the ice wizard has agro from enemy tanks... im going to die soon or the cleric will run oop fast and i cant cast, then Gregorian swaps guard /face the bad guys an block like something i never seen i think record was something like 12 times against multiple tanks.. and while hes blocking im not getting disrupted so i can PBAE and my PBAE > pally 2hand and none died

Thats just one example take from it what you will

It's funny when it comes to 2h paladin DAOC-RvR on Excalibur is rolled back around 6 months. Mages are viable, shield-tanks block like there is no tomorrow, h2h-savage, zerks, blademasters, all no problemo!

 

[AbPoon]

That wouldnt of been possible 6 months ago, the pally wouldnt of blocked much and the wizzy would have got interupted everytime the pally managed to guard

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by AbPoon
That wouldnt of been possible 6 months ago, the pally wouldnt of blocked much and the wizzy would have got interupted everytime the pally managed to guard

I dont know the exact date SI went live here, but wasn't that the patch where a successfull guard didn't interrupt ? Or was it even the patch before that? I dont recall it anymore, but do you think a mage can cast uninterrupted when it's being guarded when 2 tanks (where 1 is a dualwielder, either a savage or a zerk) attack him ?

Or a healer-class? It is funny, but when we tried something like that on Prydwen with a luri-hero it didn't work too great for my druid because the luri-hero couldn't block for any dualwielders.

Now look at all those 'FOTM tank RvR-groups' and tell me how many dualwielding offensive tanks are in it. And remember 1 is enough to interrupt the one the S/S-tank is guarding.

It helps reducing damage. But you're still interrupted.

 

[AbPoon]

So your saying a 2h pally could do a better job?

Thats all that this thread is about

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by AbPoon
So your saying a 2h pally could do a better job?

Thats all that this thread is about

No, a 2H paladin won't guard better, ofcourse not. What I've said in another thread:

Then it all comes down if you want offensive or defensive RvR.

Let's see, we go offensive:

* Cleric
* Cleric
* Minstrel
* Sorc
* 2H-paladin
* Merc/arms
* Merc/arms
* Merc/arms

or

* Cleric
* Cleric
* Minstrel
* Sorc
* S/S paladin
* Merc/arms
* Merc/arms
* Merc/arms

If a 2h-armsman > S/S-armsman in dmg-output so is a 2h-paladin > S/S-paladin.

Therefore the first template has more dmg-output then the 2nd one. You win offensive in the cost of defensive. Sounds to me that is only a matter of opinion what you prefer personally.

The only difference is you loose the S/S-paladin (guard,slam) over a 2H-paladin (more damage). Offensive Slam can be easily done by a hybrid specced armsman (50 2h, 42 shield, 39 slash alike spec) and now the only thing you loose is the guard in favour of more damage-output.

It's all a matter of personal opinion. Some like a S/S-paladin hanging next to them. Let them. Others like to play more offensively and like the idea of killing the enemy faster. I am not telling you one thing or another thing is better (in contrast with some others).

Talking about chants: Yes, the 2H-paladin probably has less chants (tho he could spec like the hybrid arms and loose parry for higher chants) but the 2H-paladin fighting side-to-side with the offensive tanks means less chance of loosing end-chant because out of range which happens sometimes when you have the S/S-paladin guarding your support.

 

[AbPoon]

Hybrid Arms is a joke now and i wouldnt even dream of making one, and the extra damage the pally does will be nothing compared to what youll gain from having a 48 chants shield pally running round doing the stuff a pally should do.

No i cant stop people speccing 2H but a pally is a grp char and if you spec 2H then your fucking over your group just because you think your elite because of your 2h sword/whatever, its the same thing as people rolling scouts and infils then whining because they get passed over for good grps.

 

[)nick(]

You're all gimped!

 

[[PS]Venom]

Originally posted by old.krane
what points did u make so <yada yada>

I haven't made any points because I have made them before and been laughed at, no matter if they're valid or not by arrogant, self important little shits like you.

Oooh look! I was insulting! Terribly sorry. I'm beginning to get irritated by the "Baa! Baa! Gimp! Baa! Nerf! Baa!" attitude so oh so many players have these days.

Originally posted by AbPoon

The reason i say its crap is that 2h pallys are usless in pve and cannot do there job at all and in no way shape or form, in rvr their low chants means you miss the high end/da/heal chants, tell you what i'll role a skald 50 sword rest parry, fuck my groups speed but i'll be ok in a duel :/

Complete and utter bollocks. You have obviously had no experience in PvE with a 2h paladin. I parry VERY often, and from the parry comes the Fury>Recenter chain, BOTH of which do high damage, and Recenter has a large defensive bonus which means I parry again. I have the second to best Heal, AF and damage add chants, and the best End chant. These are more than adequate.

In PvE, if I have a defensive tank in the group as well who gets the Agro, I can use side positionals which will pretty much hit EVERY time.

I'm fed up of this goddamn argument. No-one's going to change their opinions. Let it die. Again. I have no wish to feel I have to defend my choice of spec from idiots.

 

[Belomar]

No more 2H paladin threads. PLEASE.

 

[tepes]

Its done I respecced to s/s soo... enjoy my uber 48 chants.

I hope u all are happy now

 

[PainLady]

Tepes lvl50 Templar Gryphon Knight
(gimped s/s pala)


lol Tepes u were a Gimp....u r a Gimp and u will always gonna be a Gimp

 

[tepes]

STFU Aarrwen

 

[PainLady]

hahahaha ADEVARUL doare tare

 

[-ag-bometal]

Let us all arrest the 2H paladins and deport em to Siberia ...

Djeezes christ, loads of xenophobics these days...

<won't drag himself back into the discussion>

But one thing, getting PMed constantly by 2H armsmens who want to buy my sidi 2H and when i don't want to sell it, start yelling and calling names like "gimp, you are not worthy to wield it it, give it to me for FREE, for greater cause of the realm etc etc"

is really not fun.

/me wonders if it is against the CoC or summit being racistic to players because of their spec...

Really sad to see some ppl being childish about a "videogame"

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Hmmm also in pve main thing my guild pally does is grab the aggro till it gets cc'd and under control then hang aggro on main mob while other tanks lay down the dmg with positional styles while the mob bounces off the pallys shield.

How the hell can a 2h pally forfill that role?

The reason i say its crap is that 2h pallys are usless in pve and cannot do there job at all and in no way shape or form, in rvr their low chants means you miss the high end/da/heal chants, tell you what i'll role a skald 50 sword rest parry, fuck my groups speed but i'll be ok in a duel :/

LOL That is crap.. 2 handed pallys cant do that? are crap in Pve??? Ok.. yeah thats why I can solo 5 yellows on me.. thats why i can take on 3 orange + without using FH on either. I have done the same thing your pally does in pve groups but I dont need a shield to do it. Get a clue.:sleeping:

 

[hercules-df]

2 hander avalonian pallys?

 

[alithiel50]

Originally posted by [PS]Venom
Recenter has a large defensive bonus which means I parry again.

Wrong. Defensive bonus from styles does not affect chance to block, parry or evade. It only affects the opponents chance to hit/miss.

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by seeaira
LOL That is crap.. 2 handed pallys cant do that? are crap in Pve??? Ok.. yeah thats why I can solo 5 yellows on me.. thats why i can take on 3 orange + without using FH on either. I have done the same thing your pally does in pve groups but I dont need a shield to do it. Get a clue.:sleeping:

So? a s/s pali can solo purples.

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by [PS]Venom


Complete and utter bollocks. You have obviously had no experience in PvE with a 2h paladin. I parry VERY often, and from the parry comes the Fury>Recenter chain, BOTH of which do high damage, and Recenter has a large defensive bonus which means I parry again. I have the second to best Heal, AF and damage add chants, and the best End chant. These are more than adequate.

Poon was talking about RvR I don't see why you dragged the conversation on PvE:
but aniway,the primary role of a pali in pve it's to costantly keep the agro on him,so a defensive setup (s/s) make him get less damage(the pali got more af too) so get less heals and keep the group alive longer.
also the damage output of a 1h in front of 2h (especially whit damage add) it's aloot bigger.
That it's the reason I use 1h in pve as armsman (whit a 50 pole spec),and sure I would outdamage a 2h pali using 2h.

Originally posted by [PS]Venom


In PvE, if I have a defensive tank in the group as well who gets the Agro, I can use side positionals which will pretty much hit EVERY time

A good pali keep agro using his heal chant,and no chances for a shield armsman to agro on him if the pali know what he is doing,unless he want really it spamming agro styles for all the battle (doing aloot less damage).

2 shield palis can kill princes,I doubt 1 shield armsman and 1 2h pali would be able to do it(they can't either share agro properly).

so a s/s pali is superior in PvE too, I would say a 2h pali in pve it's more gimped than RvR,cause he betray the role of agro holder,or worse he keep agro whit aloot less defences,risking to draw all clerics mana,or worse,making them agro.

 

[[PS]Venom]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
Poon was talking about RvR I don't see why you dragged the conversation on PvE:

Sigh... read again-

Originally posted by AbPoon

The reason i say its crap is that 2h pallys are usless in pve

Originally posted by alithiel50
Wrong. Defensive bonus from styles does not affect chance to block, parry or evade. It only affects the opponents chance to hit/miss.

You got me there, I stand corrected. In that case they miss, and next attack I more than likely parry again.

I don't know why I bother. I can't be arsed with trying to reason with you lot anymore. Think 2h paladins are gimped. I'm past caring now.

Bunch of narrow minded kids.

 

[Lumikki]

Very interesting in my opinion, I would surely try it if I was a Pally 2h thanes are not that bad so wouldn't think 2h paladins would be THAT horrible

xx

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Lumikki
Very interesting in my opinion, I would surely try it if I was a Pally 2h thanes are not that bad so wouldn't think 2h paladins would be THAT horrible

xx

thane =! paladin


also due to the double speccing issue

 

[Lumikki]

Originally posted by gunner440
thane =! paladin


also due to the double speccing issue

Can you explain the double speccing issue? I keep hearing about it but don't really know what it is

xx

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Lumikki
Can you explain the double speccing issue? I keep hearing about it but don't really know what it is

xx

Basically to use a 2h to it's fullest a Alb character has to spec:

2-handed
Basic weaponspec (crush, thrust, slash)

 

[Lumikki]

Ahhh that.. how silly

xx

 

[soylent green]

Fully buffed a 2h pally has more weaponskill than a friar, better af
more hps, and better styles. And yet no one plays them. But we all have friars why. Weaponskill = damage so they must do more damage than a friar right.

 

[Cawr]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
2 shield palis can kill princes,I doubt 1 shield armsman and 1 2h pali would be able to do it(they can't either share agro properly).

so a s/s pali is superior in PvE too, I would say a 2h pali in pve it's more gimped than RvR,cause he betray the role of agro holder,or worse he keep agro whit aloot less defences,risking to draw all clerics mana,or worse,making them agro.

Hellos repeat spec scrutiniser!

Anyways down to business. S/S Arms and a 2h Pally can do princess solo, Ive tried it and on the issue of aggro control in such a situation have you ever heard of DeTaunt? Handy thing tbh.

Also a 2h Pally hardly betrays his role as an Agro holder given the fact that with higher damager and chants coupled together theres no other class or spec combo that can hold aggro if said pally doesnt want them to.

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by Cawr
Hellos repeat spec scrutiniser!

Anyways down to business. S/S Arms and a 2h Pally can do princess solo, Ive tried it and on the issue of aggro control in such a situation have you ever heard of DeTaunt? Handy thing tbh.

Also a 2h Pally hardly betrays his role as an Agro holder given the fact that with higher damager and chants coupled together theres no other class or spec combo that can hold aggro if said pally doesnt want them to.

It's 2 shield palas for Princes

You only need one shield pala for Princess

 

[Treniel-]

2h pallys are a waste of space, time and character slot

about as useful as a mins with 50 weapon 50 stealth or grp'g sum1 called IPWNALL FORREAL

they suck if u want to be offensive go arms, merc, friar, reaver

nuff said.