Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Gwadien]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1963280118719053910/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1963280118719053910&currentTweetUser=atrupar

 

[Embattle]

After 14 years of Tories, the public are more willing to rush to put the rope around an MPs neck.

 

[Scouse]

A glimpse into Reform true freedom of speech.

Oh well, I suppose if it's what the people want...

It's fuck all to do with freedom of speech Gwadien.

That's just a mob acting like mobs do and comitting assault.

 

[Scouse]

confusing her with Rachel Reeves.

Still lol at that - but it turns out Angela is "housing minister"

I wonder if the firm of conveyancing solicitors are going to come out and say "she didn't inform us that she had a house in her son's name, in a trust".which, btw, means it no inheritance tax will be due when she karks it.

The public are furious with those who get away with tax avoidance while they pay!

HMRC staff cut as corporate/super rich tax dodgers not challenged… tax avoidance damaging our country

Every pound of tax that’s not delivered to the Chancellor and to the Exchequer means that it damages our public services, and we know the state they’re in

Angela, housing minister, doing what she's been campaigning against - criticising others.

I mean. Aside from the "mistake" on 40 grands worth of tax, the free clothes and shit, maybe she should walk because she's a tax avoider eh? The public are apparently furious.

 

[Scouse]

@Gwadien, I don't know why you think that's funny.

Do you think he's bothered that wankers called him paedo, or that groups of men ran around after him (clear harassment) and then started physically assaulting him? Which bits of the experience would he sit back and laugh at, and which bits do you think he was terrified of?

Are you more bothered about some words, or the physical assault actions that the poor kid had to suffer?

 

[Raven]

It's fuck all to do with freedom of speech Gwadien.

That's just a mob acting like mobs do and comitting assault.

It looks like they have people watching out for anyone offering a differing opinion, and hounding them away, organised rabble rousers to suppress opinion.

It's all been seen before.

 

[Scouse]

It looks like they have people watching out for anyone offering a differing opinion, and hounding them away, organised rabble rousers to suppress opinion.

It's all been seen before.

Yes.

But we've also seen people sent in to bait morons - and it was very convenient they did it on camera eh? Their actions seemed completely "natural", not organised rabble rousers. Just useful idiots.

Remember Gideon Falter? Jewish man**, weaving in and out of a protest in support of Palestinians earlier on in the Gaza atrocity, attempting to provoke a violent reaction from someone in the crowd so he could go "look look, antisemitism!!1!1!".

When asked to move on by the police, some dumb po-po called him "openly jewish" - and that was like a field day for him. He'd bettered his news story, which detracted from the pro palestinian march and made him able to claim the met were institutionally antisemitic (rather than just staffed with sub-normals).

I've seen the same tactic from the EDL in Bradford. Sparking riots, then running the hell away when the police turn up to confront angry muslim mobs. The news stories were of muslim riots. And it was easy for them to do it.

This lad may well have been an "infiltrator". It doesn't take away from the the fact that it was a mob full of morons, however.

Unfortunately, some people are really too ready to pick a side here. But whatever you think about immigration, it's certainly very tense out there. I'm pretty sure we don't have rivers of blood yet, but Blighty's definitely having a very heavy period.


**Edit: Just to be clear, he's an utter cunt.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes.

But we've also seen people sent in to bait morons - and it was very convenient they did it on camera eh? Their actions seemed completely "natural", not organised rabble rousers. Just useful idiots.

Remember Gideon Falter? Jewish man**, weaving in and out of a protest in support of Palestinians earlier on in the Gaza atrocity, attempting to provoke a violent reaction from someone in the crowd so he could go "look look, antisemitism!!1!1!".

When asked to move on by the police, some dumb po-po called him "openly jewish" - and that was like a field day for him. He'd bettered his news story, which detracted from the pro palestinian march and made him able to claim the met were institutionally antisemitic (rather than just staffed with sub-normals).

I've seen the same tactic from the EDL in Bradford. Sparking riots, then running the hell away when the police turn up to confront angry muslim mobs. The news stories were of muslim riots. And it was easy for them to do it.

This lad may well have been an "infiltrator". It doesn't take away from the the fact that it was a mob full of morons, however.

Unfortunately, some people are really too ready to pick a side here. But whatever you think about immigration, it's certainly very tense out there. I'm pretty sure we don't have rivers of blood yet, but Blighty's definitely having a very heavy period.


**Edit: Just to be clear, he's an utter cunt.

An infiltrator?

An infiltrator goes to protests and pretends to be a part of the crowd and then causes shit.

This guy was literally criticising the protesters off the bat.

As for the freedom of speech thing - the point was that people like Trump, Musk, Farage etc are held up as these champions of freedom of speech, but in reality they only want to promote their freedom of speech.

 

[Scouse]

As for the freedom of speech thing - the point was that people like Trump, Musk, Farage etc are held up as these champions of freedom of speech, but in reality they only want to promote their freedom of speech.

I've heard you say that before, but what's that got to do with this mob of morons and how they acted on the day? It's their actions as individuals that are responsible. What they did was, ultimately, their choice.

You are aware I'm not a supporter of Trump or Farage, aren't you?

Additionally, you are aware that because <insert arsehole here> says something about "free speech" it doesn't invalidate the principle of free speech, aren't you?

It sounds very much to me that because Trump or Farage are talking shit about free speech, that it somehow justifies your beloved left holding up their version of mind slavery "free speech" as the good and right version - when they're pretty demonstrably fucking awful too.

Lets put it fairly and honestly (even if I am forced to couch it in the infantile left-right axis we appear to be required to talk in): The right is absolutely chock full of asshats and are definitely guilty of abusing and cracking down on free speech. However, it's completely true to say that it's left that are primarily responsible for the most repressive laws, the biggest crackdown on free speech and the most extreme cultural enforcement of "thought crime" and "herecy" because of their perhaps well-meaning but utterly deluded fantasy of how the world should be makes them a bunch of the least tolerant arseholes on the planet - despite them dressing themselves up as the model of tolerance.

Deluded.

 

[Scouse]

Starmer considering new digital ID scheme to tackle illegal working

The prime minister says the proposal could play an important part in tackling illegal working in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gawd, I wish someone would <notallowedtosayitwithoutgoingtojail> this cunt.

 

[Deebs]

Starmer considering new digital ID scheme to tackle illegal working

The prime minister says the proposal could play an important part in tackling illegal working in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gawd, I wish someone would <notallowedtosayitwithoutgoingtojail> this cunt.

Dispose of ?

 

[Scouse]

It's not often you can easily check on the facts of a news case of a high-profile news case so easily for yourself. So when you csn, it's worth doing so:

HMRC Stamp Duty Calculator. The simple and clear tool used to calculate tax due:



And to be clear, she has the right to live in the property she purchased rent-free. As does her ex-husband. This make them beneficiaries.

So easy to check. It's either A) deliberate fraud or B) incompetence.

If it's B) she still shouldn't be in government.

Meanwhile @Gwadien the Guardian is running a front page hit-piece on Farage this morning for his legal tax avoidance. The timing being hand-wringing distracting apologism for Rayner's tax avoidance. You were complaining about right-wing media?

 

[Tom]

I think it's reasonable to assume that her tax affairs aren't quite as simple as you make out, considering she has a disabled son whose future she's seemingly trying to secure, has just gone through a divorce, and is an MP for a GM constituency while also being Deputy PM in London. And I doubt it'll be a standard trust considering her son's status, it's probably a disabled person's trust.

HMRC are almost impossible to contact, even accountants struggle to get through to them. And as for asking them anyway? Years ago I had a visit from the Inland Revenue, a VAT inspection. The officers couldn't agree on how I should charge VAT while out of the country working. Eventually they decided to just let it go. Who are people to believe? A government agency that's difficult to contact, staffed by people who aren't necessarily experts? Accountants/solicitors who also aren't necessarily experts?

I'm surprised nobody has yet called her uppity.

 

[Scouse]

I think it's reasonable to assume that her tax affairs aren't quite as simple as you make out

No. No it isn't reasonable. Not at all.

Stamp duty is a very simple rule. "Are you the beneficiary of a trust that owns a property"? The answer is a clear, easy, uncontrovertable YES.

We all have to pay the same taxes when buying a house. She doesn't get exempted for any of your guff. Speaking of which:

considering she has a disabled son whose future she's seemingly trying to secure, has just gone through a divorce, and is an MP for a GM constituency while also being Deputy PM in London. And I doubt it'll be a standard trust considering her son's status, it's probably a disabled person's trust.

It's in a trust. A trust that means that no inheritance tax will be paid. And she's secured her son's future by making sure that property is in a trust for him.

We all have jobs. And some people have disabled kids who they can't afford to put property in trust for. And quite a lot of these people aren't millionaires (which Angela is) with a property in Leeds, an ability to spunk 800k on a property in Brighton (evading 40k in tax) alongside her grace-and-favours property whilst she earns 160k/pa (including her cabinet role supplement) in a job that means she's set for life with a fantastic pension, likely a peerage (if she wants it) which comes with a fantastic salary for not a lot of effort, and effortless future income, should she desire, from consultancy etc. etc.


As for the rest (including "HMRC are almost impossible to contact" - lol. You don't need to contact them. If you use that tool and think "I better contact HMRC" then you're lying to yourself! It's clear. It's easy. And it doesn't give a shit if you've got a disabled son. It wants to know, clearly, whether you've an interest in other properties. That she clearly, obviously, has.

It's not hard Tom. It's fucking easy. She lied about her arrangments to dodge tax. She'll get to call it a "mistake" and pay the tax. But if it was a genuine mistake, then it's so easy she's genuinely incompetent - and has no business being our deputy PM or housing minister.

 

[Scouse]

I'm surprised nobody has yet called her uppity.

I will.

Uppity millionaire tax-evading chancer. She "grew up in poverty", got preggers at 16 and left school with no qualifications whatsoever. She's never had a proper job. I want competent intelligent people, not thicky chancers, at the top of government.

On her intellect: I would argue that if you can't intellectualise the consequences of your policies, then you aren't qualified. There are plenty of working class kids from very poor backgrounds with incredible intellect who are better qualified. Actually properly qualified.

Most of them never get anywhere near the corridors of power — not because they lack intellect, but because the political pipeline favors visibility over capability, loyalty over logic, and often narrative over nuance. The ability to intellectualise policy consequences — to anticipate trade-offs, model unintended effects, and recalibrate under scrutiny — isn’t optional. It’s the foundation of what we need from top-level government. Especially when policies affect millions.

If someone lacks that skill, which clearly Uppity Rayner does, no amount of lived experience or rhetorical flair can substitute for it.


As for chancer? Because she used money from the trust setup for her son - which was NHS compensation money - to buy her flat in Hove. She sold her 25% stake in the property back into the trust she manages. Basically used it as a bank account. The NHS compensation money placed into the trust was legally and ethically intended to benefit Angela Rayner’s disabled son, not to serve as a financial asset for her own use.

It shames Labour that she's been allowed to make it to the top. But then we've Starmer in charge, so...

 

[Tom]

Are you a tax expert? Can you say with certainty that everything you've written is correct?

No, can you fuck. You're guessing, just like every publication out there. It must be exhausting to be so angry all the time.

 

[Ormorof]

She resigned, guess we will see her again in a few years in some other cushy job

 

[Bodhi]

Will admit I don't know all the ins and outs of stamp duty law, but the statement last night from her conveyancer was pretty damning, meaning she hasn't been entirely accurate in what's she's said.

Given how quickly she called for the resignation of any Tory Ministers caught up in financial impropriety and the rank hypocrisy we now know she is guilt of she had to resign - only question is why she didn't go sooner.

I'm assuming all the people rushing to defend her because she was working class (the patronising fucktards) will be going a bit quiet now?

Or anyone who rushed to defend her for that matter. Looks like the "grown ups" that are now in charge are even grubbier than the last lot - which is an achievement in itself.

 

[Scouse]

Are you a tax expert? Can you say with certainty that everything you've written is correct?

No, can you fuck. You're guessing, just like every publication out there. It must be exhausting to be so angry all the time.

You don't need to be a tax expert. Stamp duty is simple. I've done it three times myself.

the statement last night from her conveyancer was pretty damning, meaning she hasn't been entirely accurate in what's she's said.

Yep. The conveyancer just acts on what she says. And she gets a questionnarie saying "are you the beneficiary of a trust"? Which she clearly is as she manages it, and stays there.

Tom - it's not complex. You don't need to be a tax expert with stamp duty. It's simple procedure, nothing else. It's not an arcane obfusicated system. It's "you owe this" clear.

 

[Scouse]

She resigned, guess we will see her again in a few years in some other cushy job

Before being sacked. Grafting scum.

Farage is being opportunistic - saying that cabinet ministers are "wholly unqualified people to run our country". In Angela's case, I think that's fair.

 

[Scouse]

Ah and she also lied to us all about seeking tax advice. From Auntie:

The independent ethics adviser found that Rayner failed to seek “expert” tax advice over the amount of stamp duty payable on her property purchase in Hove.

This was in spite of two separate law firms suggesting that she needed specific tax advice

So, she was told to obtain tax advice, twice, but didn't. Probably because she was looking at that 40k bill and going "if I receive advice, they're going to tell me the obvious - which is that I owe it".
Conveyancers are a bit peeved at her throwing them under the bus too:

A key question to ask Ms Rayner: when she obtained the stamp duty advice, did she tell the adviser about the trust? It’s an easy yes/no question

 

[Gwadien]

bbc need to be less woke

Chris Mason: Reform conference shows party's growing ambition like never before

The conference feels like that of a big party - but retains the insurgency vibe that the party is seeking to channel.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

bbc need to be less woke

Chris Mason: Reform conference shows party's growing ambition like never before

The conference feels like that of a big party - but retains the insurgency vibe that the party is seeking to channel.

www.bbc.co.uk

The BBC need to report on the Greens (for example) with the same fervour that they do the fag ash führer.

 

[Gwadien]

The BBC need to report on the Greens (for example) with the same fervour that they do the fag ash führer.

Survival over journalistic integrity

 

[Embattle]

One of many nut jobs:

Doctor uses Reform conference speech to link king’s cancer to Covid vaccine

Aseem Malhotra claimed ‘eminent oncologist’ said jab was ‘significant factor in the cancer of members of royal family’

www.theguardian.com