Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Tom]

I would just wait and see. Everything online is just speculation. I'm waiting to see what they do with heat pumps and hopefully will apply again soon.

 

[Scouse]

I would just wait and see. Everything online is just speculation. I'm waiting to see what they do with heat pumps and hopefully will apply again soon.

They're already pre-running out nerfing salary sacrifice pension schemes.

I'm OK with that, if they nerf all the public sector pension schemes too. They're so generous compared to the private sector schemes. 35 hour weeks, no more, fucking final salary schemes.

But they won't do that. They're just going to fuck over people who want to save.

 

[Embattle]

Very DOGE like:

Reform UK claim to have saved £331m at English councils – but do the numbers stack up?

Experts say councils face limits on cuts as Reform’s savings on IT deals, office moves and EV projects are disputed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

They're already pre-running out nerfing salary sacrifice pension schemes.

I'm OK with that, if they nerf all the public sector pension schemes too. They're so generous compared to the private sector schemes. 35 hour weeks, no more, fucking final salary schemes.

But they won't do that. They're just going to fuck over people who want to save.

I would totally agree about public sector pensions, too often it seems they can't stand up on there own.

I'm also still up with getting rid of the Lord's:

Two peers suspended from House of Lords for breaking lobbying rules

Lord Evans of Watford and Lord Dannatt were filmed breaking rules, in undercover footage recorded by Guardian

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

Very DOGE like:

Reform UK claim to have saved £331m at English councils – but do the numbers stack up?

Experts say councils face limits on cuts as Reform’s savings on IT deals, office moves and EV projects are disputed

www.theguardian.com

They are on about selling half the council offices here. Which is A stupid, and B, a shame. The "new bit" is beautifully built, I don't think they used traditional methods, but you can't tell where the join is.

They are just selling off the family silver to make the books balance.

 

[Scouse]

Summary justice. End to Trial By Jury:

Justice secretary wants most jury trials scrapped

Only cases of alleged murder, rape or manslaughter will be decided by a jury under new proposals to cut court backlogs.

www.bbc.co.uk

The consequences of their actions will be to destroy a criminal justice system that has been the pride of this country for centuries, and to destroy justice as we know it

Go on Labour. What else?

 

[Embattle]

Isn't just an attempt to improve the endlessly growing backlog.

 

[Scouse]

AAand:

Removal of judge in Palestine Action ban legal challenge ‘deeply concerning’

Unusual last-minute change means panel of three will now hear case rather than Mr Justice Chamberlain

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ormorof]

The main benefit of a jury trial is the jury can essentially decide the law is bogus and acquit even if the person technically was in breach of the law

The downside of jury trials are people are people, and they are the worst 😉

 

[Embattle]

Police officer unable to dress after Palestine Action hammer attack

The officer could not drive, shower or dress herself after being struck with a sledgehammer.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Police officer unable to dress after Palestine Action hammer attack

The officer could not drive, shower or dress herself after being struck with a sledgehammer.

www.bbc.co.uk

If you want to designate them a terrorist organisation fine - but don't make a crime to voice your support for terrorist organisations.

Free speech would make all of this so much easier. We wouldn't be locking up grannies for holding up signs.

And on the above - no, it's not a Labour plan to clear the backlog - it's a labour plan to remove trial by jury.

They've form for that - secret trials anyone?:

‘Unavoidably unfair’: the secret courts system hearing part of Palestine Action case

The CMP system means Huda Ammori will not be allowed to know what allegations were made against her

www.theguardian.com

Topical!

Labour are an authoritarian nightmare.

 

[Scouse]

More North Sea exploration to be allowed in new Labour plan

The chancellor will unveil the North Sea Strategy in her Budget speech, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Overdriven]

Woo cash ISA nuked unless you're over 65.

 

[Scouse]

Woo cash ISA nuked unless you're over 65.

Yeah, and as predicted she's made it less attractive saving for your pension - and she's increased tax on savings too.

Should have just raised income tax by 2%. That's fair and would hit everyone equitably - with the rich paying more than the poor.

 

[Embattle]

I did quite enjoy reading the 'Consultation on the Introduction of Electric Vehicle Excise Duty' document, which at the start almost makes it sound like the government spends all that tax raised from drivers on roads.

 

[Scouse]

At least the additional pension tax won't come in until 2029.

I'm going to fucking whack my entire salary in the pension until then. Fuck paying tax.

Or maybe I should have a few kids. 560,000 families will get an average of an additional £5,310 of taxpayers money every year just for having kids they can't afford.

 

[Raven]

Insulate (properly) all social housing, then control their (free) heating remotely.

Provide a basic TV, basic furniture, and a basic laptop.

Basic internet provided, say 5-10mb

Clothes vouchers for children, that can only be spent on children's clothes and shoes, and perhaps some toy vouchers.

Food vouchers that cannot be used on booze, sugary drinks or junk food.

A local bus pass

And zero cash

That will get the fuckers into work.

 

[Scouse]

By line (for those in social housing):

Insulate (properly) all social housing

Yep. I wouldn't control their heating remotely. That's daft. But min/max - 18 degs, 21 degs.

Provide a basic TV, basic furniture, and a basic laptop.

Yep.

Basic internet provided, say 5-10mb

Nope - full normal internet. Needed for jobs, school and like it or not preventing social exclusion.

Clothes vouchers for children, that can only be spent on children's clothes and shoes, and perhaps some toy vouchers.

Why not.

A local bus pass

Nah, free public transport for work and school purposes.

And zero cash

Nah. People need dignity. Some cash is a requirement.

I'd also make sure I massively increase benefits (inc. cash) for the first 6 months of unemployment too. It's supposed to be a safety net.

There's loads of other stuff I'd do. But for those in social housing, clothes and food vouchers, yep. And I'd take a massive chunk of what we'd save and put it into kids activities in their local areas. Sports, book clubs etc etc. With school being the place that points them at it.


Of course, I've not thought any of this through - just angry and thought I'd use your post

 

[Embattle]

What are the Two Child Limit and Benefit Cap, and did they increase child poverty?

The UK government has announced that the two-child limit will be scrapped in full as part of its upcoming Child Poverty Strategy. This will lift 350,000 children out of poverty overnight, and keep half a million free from poverty by the end of the decade.

www.actionforchildren.org.uk

 

[Deebs]

Don't get me fucking started, been a taxpayer all my life, never swindled a penny and yet get told to fuckoff when I applied for state aid.

 

[Overdriven]

Don't get me fucking started, been a taxpayer all my life, never swindled a penny and yet get told to fuckoff when I applied for state aid.

"Oh you have a child? You've paid more tax than a large proportion of people you know? Get fucked"

"Oh you're a bit sad and have a limp?" glug glug glug.

 

[Embattle]

‘Unelected power’ of ultra-rich is reshaping British politics, report claims

Equality Trust study shows how House of Lords appointments, big donations and media ownership affect political decisions

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

"Oh you have a child? You've paid more tax than a large proportion of people you know? Get fucked"

"Oh you're a bit sad and have a limp?" glug glug glug.

Disability payments have gone nuts, but child benefit is a joke anyway. It's a bribe to parents. Frankly they should stop it.

 

[Gwadien]

Disability payments have gone nuts, but child benefit is a joke anyway. It's a bribe to parents. Frankly they should stop it.

People aren't going to stop having children, they'll just be poorer children.

We could pay the poor not to have children

 

[Scouse]

People aren't going to stop having children, they'll just be poorer children.

We could pay the poor not to have children

I don't mind the poor having children. But I don't want to pay for their children with no limits.

It isn't fair that the kids grow up poor. But I grew up poor and disadvantaged and yet instead of sitting on benefits like lots of my peers and their families I got a fucking job, sacrificed and worked.

Benefits are a a dangerous drug - they're a literal reason to not have to do shit for yourself. And my hard-earned should not be indescriminately paid out to people who continually have kids when they can't afford to keep them. Two is fucking plenty. And tough shit if the kids grow up in poverty - it's not a hole they can't climb out of and it's NOT a death sentence.

Whilst there are the unfortunate it's absolutely true there are feckless. The lack of money for a kid in a feckless family isn't the thing that's going to fuck that kid over. It's the parents that are going to fuck them over more than anything else. Forcing them out of the door into a job is probably one of the best things we can do for the children. Because it shows them that work isn't optional.

 

[Tom]

The last year I've been working (teaching Bikeability) in schools in poor areas and it's opened my eyes a little wider as to how things are. There are kids we've had that have been disruptive, problematic, annoying - but I'll always give them chances because my view is that I don't know what their home life is like. I tend to assume the kids that cause problems have shitty home lives, so I try my best to give them the right experiences while they're away from home and outside school. I've had instances where kids have told me things and I've reported it back to their teacher. It's all I can do tbh. If they're too disruptive I'll send them back into school, but I like to give them a chance at least.

I think the best thing we can do for these children is to show empathy, and set a good example.

 

[Scouse]

I think the best thing we can do for these children is to show empathy, and set a good example.

100%. What puts kids on a good track is the sort of stuff good people do.

I don't think giving shitty parents more cash is going to change their lives. Having non-cunts in the family and decent role models and people that treat them right is the thing.

Oh, and maybe don't tell young boys they're shit all the time and that they're not worthy of help and that they better not grow up to oppress women because, deep down, they're evil. That's another one. Maybe society could tell young boys they're valued. One day maybe even equally.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh, and maybe don't tell young boys they're shit all the time and that they're not worthy of help and that they better not grow up to oppress women because, deep down, they're evil. That's another one. Maybe society could tell young boys they're valued. One day maybe even equally.

Yeah, this doesn't happen in schools. I'm (as in subject) pretty much the only one does anything remotely like this via history...

You need to stop using yourself as an example because you're still the minority and governments love to use you an example for why we don't need to do more.

The big issue that we do have is little poor shits being taken out of school because their parents can't control their behaviour so they are 'homeschooled' (and also because some parents believe we're brain washing kids or some shit and give them different vaccinations every day).

So yeah, maybe payments for attending school and actually taking something out of it.

 

[Gwadien]

But what we should be doing is telling kids they're not failures if they look for trades as careers and figure a way to put them 'on rails' towards that career so they don't go into silly things.

 

[Scouse]

figure a way to put them 'on rails' towards that career so they don't go into silly things.

Whaddaya mean 'silly things'?

Maybe I'm overthinking / misinterpreting here but hopefully schools aren't trying to act like careers advisors? I detest careees's advisors btw. They're the least qualified people to give anyone advice on anything.