Football 2021/2022 Season Football Thread

[Embattle]

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, it is just your usual approach every time that gets a response besides your claim about not wanting to get in a pissing contest. I've said it before many times when you've used this angle that over time you've had some players that have gone for some top amounts which makes it look better than it is, but even more than that I also look at what success you've had and quite frankly LP have won the premier league as many times as Blackburn.

Since 2011:

The Premier League big six's net spend per trophy over the last 10 years

Manchester United's recent failures are highlighted by a quick glance at their net spend per trophy over the past 10 years, with Chelsea, Liverpool and the rest getting much more bang for their buck.

www.planetfootball.com

 

[Raven]

And proper bummed Barca

 

[Scouse]

you've had some players that have gone for some top amounts which makes it look better than it is

You are mistaken. It looks exactly like it is.

You might be jealous of other club's good business - but that business happened in actual reality. So net spend shows how it is, in real life, no if's, no buts.

 

[Scouse]

The Premier League big six's net spend per trophy over the last 10 years

Manchester United's recent failures are highlighted by a quick glance at their net spend per trophy over the past 10 years, with Chelsea, Liverpool and the rest getting much more bang for their buck.

www.planetfootball.com

Net spend per trophy over the past ten years?

Even though that's some bullshit right there (because a club's value is not measured in trophies alone) it still looks pretty fantastic for Liverpool. So thanks!

We don't spend much money compared to our peers. Period.

 

[Moriath]

Net spend per trophy over the past ten years?

Even though that's some bullshit right there (because a club's value is not measured in trophies alone) it still looks pretty fantastic for Liverpool. So thanks!

We don't spend much money compared to our peers. Period.

And it shows

 

[Raven]

Nobody has defended a title more feebly, though.

 

[Scouse]

You are mistaken. It looks exactly like it is.

You might be jealous of other club's good business - but that business happened in actual reality. So net spend shows how it is, in real life, no if's, no buts.

You disagree again. Please to be explaining.

Is the easily-measured outlay of a club not actually an easily measured outlay?

I bet the shareholders would be very interested if not.

 

[Scouse]

And it shows

It shows we win shit for not a lot of money

 

[Scouse]

Nobody has defended a title more feebly, though.

Totally agree. If we net-spent a bit more we could have cover

 

[Moriath]

It shows we win shit for not a lot of money

Win once in 30 years. Allow man u to catch and over take you on the huge lead you had in top flight league champ titles.

but if you are happy about having that then its fine.

 

[Scouse]

Win once in 30 years. Allow man u to catch and over take you on the huge lead you had in top flight league champ titles.

but if you are happy about having that then its fine.

It said "trophies".

Go and actually read the article


Oh. And *cough*SIXTIMES*cough* (almost ten percent of 'em!)

 

[Embattle]

You disagree again. Please to be explaining.

Is the easily-measured outlay of a club not actually an easily measured outlay?

I bet the shareholders would be very interested if not.

I don't see myself or many of the fans from the top clubs being jealous of Liverpool FC in any way, as I've said before fans of Liverpool FC for a long time were an even worse version of Arsenal fans.

 

[Scouse]

I don't see myself or many of the fans from the top clubs being jealous of Liverpool FC in any way, as I've said before fans of Liverpool FC for a long time were an even worse version of Arsenal fans.

Fair enough. But the topic was net spend, not jealousy. So you accept that point then?

 

[Scouse]

Ah so then @Embattle - taking out the gentle rib about jealousy:

You disagree again. Please to be explaining.

Is the easily-measured outlay of a club not actually an easily measured outlay?

I bet the shareholders would be very interested if not.

Net spend is reportable in the company accounts.

Tell us why net spend isn't actually a good measure of actual spend, considering it's how all businesses are measured, by law.

 

[gunner440]

The important element that's still not being included are the payment terms. GBP 40m lump sum vs GBP 120m over X years which is usually the case and depending on the conditions, could end up meaning the 40m has a higher Present Value in economic terms. Levy was king at doing those deals. David Dein was also pretty good at that (I miss him ) and the same goes for Uncle Flore(ntino Perez) as he's referred to in Spain.

Last year's Covid mess has shown that these numbers are irrelevant and it's cashflow that matters (as with most businesses). Barcelona's cashflow was spun so thin that missing out on a few months' worth of income has proven detrimental.

 

[Scouse]

Don't disagree @gunner440 - but that's really a discussion about affordability, whereas @Embattle seems to be suffering from magical thinking about how much money clubs actually spend in real life

 

[SilverHood]

The important element that's still not being included are the payment terms. GBP 40m lump sum vs GBP 120m over X years which is usually the case and depending on the conditions, could end up meaning the 40m has a higher Present Value in economic terms. Levy was king at doing those deals. David Dein was also pretty good at that (I miss him ) and the same goes for Uncle Flore(ntino Perez) as he's referred to in Spain.

Last year's Covid mess has shown that these numbers are irrelevant and it's cashflow that matters (as with most businesses). Barcelona's cashflow was spun so thin that missing out on a few months' worth of income has proven detrimental.

In the world of real biz, we have GAAP ( Generally Accepted Accounting Principles ) numbers and non-GAAP numbers. Maybe we need football clubs to start following a specific set of principles, so the health ofa club can easily be seen.

 

[gunner440]

In the world of real biz, we have GAAP ( Generally Accepted Accounting Principles ) numbers and non-GAAP numbers. Maybe we need football clubs to start following a specific set of principles, so the health ofa club can easily be seen.

Yeah but these numbers (audited accounts) are seen by say 1%. The rest go off what's published in the media which are cherry-picked stats in my opinion.

Don't disagree @gunner440 - but that's really a discussion about affordability, whereas @Embattle seems to be suffering from magical thinking about how much money clubs actually spend in real life

Rafa was the best at this stuff. He would buy several types of players and it's important that not all players bought for the first team are for the first team. There were a few players that were bought to polish and put back in the shop window in order to fund the real targets. Not really a case of comparing price bought vs price sould as there are more components but the theory was that. I'm sure there were so many names that he bought that made people question his sanity but he knew what he was doing.

 

[Embattle]

Fair enough. But the topic was net spend, not jealousy. So you accept that point then?

Although you turned it to jealousy, all of this is moot because you don't sound any different than Arsenal fans putting profit over what the majority see as the most important thing...winning trophies.

 

[Scouse]

Although you turned it to jealousy, all of this is moot because you don't sound any different than Arsenal fans putting profit over what the majority see as the most important thing...winning trophies.

You going to answer the question or whine about the fact that we're doing well and you're really only jealous?

You can't spend what you don't have - look at Barca.

 

[Embattle]

You going to answer the question or whine about the fact that we're doing well and you're really only jealous?

You can't spend what you don't have - look at Barca.

Again and for the last time I'm not and nor are the fans of the other top clubs jealous of LPFC, we just get bored of people like you and Arsenal fans either having to go back a long time to gloat about winning something or think that somehow there is some sort of profit competition going on when fans only really care about winning.

Barca isn't comparable at all to our top clubs, you guys don't spend what you do have.

 

[Jupitus]

Jesus fucking christ, you two are fucking boring

 

[Ormorof]

Frankly its much easier to support a team that never wins anything

 

[Scouse]

either having to go back a long time to gloat about winning something or think that somehow there is some sort of profit competition going on when fans only really care about winning.

1) We've won stuff (CL and PL) pretty damn recently.
2) Dumb fans only care about winning. Others want a long term sustainable future for their clubs that allow them to invest to keep on winning.

 

[Moriath]

You going to answer the question or whine about the fact that we're doing well and you're really only jealous?

You can't spend what you don't have - look at Barca.

Barca is different. They were subsidised by the spanish government.

man u / city etc are bankrolled by rich individuals.

owners have always put money in.

transfers in and out isnt the only income from the company.

you can plow mechandising etc in to plug some of those gaps. And still be a successful business.

Any how Ronaldo

 

[Scouse]

Any how Ronaldo

Yeah. But Solskjar

He needs to win the league with what he's spent

 

[Moriath]

Yeah. But Solskjar

He needs to win the league with what he's spent

But he is a leg end. So can do as he wishes.

 

[Scouse]

But he is a leg end. So can do as he wishes.

Lampard was a leg end too.

I bet Fergie's coaching him still.

 

[Raven]

England look shit at times.

 

[Gwadien]

@Raven be like nevermind