Werewolf WW2 Theme Game 3.0

[Ch3tan]

I don't really understand your role nor how exactly you can interfere with the enemy's communications seeing as they communicate directly? (don't they ?). If you were telling the truth, I would have been made aware of you by my superiors in the Gestapo who sent me here.. Who sent you ??

The Furher, learn to read. I've said all this, I'm not a muppet who is going to change his story under gestapo pressure. I was told the spies will communicate in code and that I can intercept all their messages.

You make a massive assumption there thinking you would know about me. No one is going to agree with you because you are good at make belief

 

[Rubric]

I'm not sure how I look dodgy. Unless I was trying to protect one of you that I was in cahoots with. If that was the case though surely I would push for the one that was not my mate or push for the one that was to clear myself. I'm just saying it how I see it guys.

 

[Ch3tan]

If you're the third spy Ch3t, does that mean you poisoned or backstabbed Cerb?

Yeah, that's right, I intercepted the message that cerb was the target, allowed him to die, and then poisoned him too.

What do you think?

 

[Sydrik]

Opticle surely if you were some sort of Gestapo (seer) role you would fully understand Ch3tan role and not need to ask. At the moment it seems to be a straight shoot out between the two of you. Both stories have their faults and slip ups.

(IRL INPUT: I have to work away from tomorrow - wednesday night so wont be participating)

I'm willing to read what you both say for the rest of the day (week) before wasting a needless killing.

 

[Calaen]

Opticle You still haven't given a valid reason for coming out so soon in the day. You could have poked and prodded various suspicions at ch3t and watched who defended him. Instead by not considering the fact that Ch3t may or may not be smart enough to create a story to go along with what you have found, you have completely muddied the waters. Certainly not the kind of decision making I would expect from a Gestapo.

The way I see it we are balls deep in a very messy situation, Opticle, Ch3t and an other amongst us have a hidden agenda. I'm not a fan of hidden agendas, more so when we need to rely on everyone around us to ensure our survival.

Rubric your vote against me is very insulting, had it of been the first day then fair enough you were acting rather weird, but after listening to what has been said so far, you then point your finger at me. Very very strange, but if you think you can turn my attentions away from Opticle you should probably ask to see the doctor.

It looks to me like you are scared that Opticle might get it in the neck, and are trying to create a diversion. Very strange behaviour indeed!

 

[itcheh]

Opticle You still haven't given a valid reason for coming out so soon in the day. You could have poked and prodded various suspicions at ch3t and watched who defended him.

I think he's explained himself quite clearly.

There might be some naivety in his actions ... but I believe him to be a noble and honourable German. I believe he has brought forth this intelligence in a selfless act to help the crew ... and put himself directly at risk in the process.

Yes, he could have observed to see who interacted with Ch3tan ... but lets face it, our spies likely to be too clever to give themselves away so easily. In addition, there would have been a risk that he might be murdered before this information could be made public.

As I have stated, it would be an act of extreme stupidity to bring sharp focus on himself so soon if this intelligence is false.

Had he waited for a couple of days to reveal his knowledge ... would you not be presenting the same doubts? Would you not still be accusing him of muddying the waters?

The only person as far as I can see who is 'muddying' anything right now is Ch3t - he is indeed skilful in weaving a convenient story.

 

[Calaen]

I think he's explained himself quite clearly.

There might be some naivety in his actions ... but I believe him to be a noble and honourable German. I believe he has brought forth this intelligence in a selfless act to help the crew ... and put himself directly at risk in the process.

Yes, he could have observed to see who interacted with Ch3tan ... but lets face it, our spies likely to be too clever to give themselves away so easily. In addition, there would have been a risk that he might be murdered before this information could be made public.

As I have stated, it would be an act of extreme stupidity to bring sharp focus on himself so soon if this intelligence is false.

Had he waited for a couple of days to reveal his knowledge ... would you not be presenting the same doubts? Would you not still be accusing him of muddying the waters?

The only person as far as I can see who is 'muddying' anything right now is Ch3t - he is indeed skilful in weaving a convenient story.

No because no one is anywhere close to getting killed today, he could have waited for a bit before going all gung ho! That would have been far more helpful. From someone with a very important piece of information he has completely played his cards to early. Stupid or very calculated? I'm going with the latter based on his own efforts on day one to journal everything...

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't really understand your role nor how exactly you can interfere with the enemy's communications seeing as they communicate directly?

You wouldn't know that, just for your information, unless you were one. I think it's worth noting. (editing posts is a big non btw, just do a new one )

Rubric is bothering the living hell..ga out of me, again not answering why he thinks these two are innocent(it's clear one of them is rotten from all the slip-ups both had, in stories and in following posts) and it just comes off, especially the last posts, that he's moving attention away from the facts we've gathered.

So rather then trying to figure out which one is the bad guy and which is the good guy, i'll let them off the special role during the night and go for Rubric as he seems like the most focus-killing culprit around and as such seem like he's protecting one of them. I know that either ch3t or opti will get it during the night since the bad guys have 0 chance of letting a good special role live as it makes it that much harder for them.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Helps if i vote i guess

Vote: rubric

 

[itcheh]

I know that either ch3t or opti will get it during the night since the bad guys have 0 chance of letting a good special role live as it makes it that much harder for them.

If you accept that one of them is bad ... that gives you a 50/50 chance of picking the right one

But instead, you've decided to go for one of the remaining crew ... giving you a much worse odds ... in the hope that the bad guys take out a special and make the decision for you?

What utter madness is going on here?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Simple mathematics. There is no 50/50 chance to get a bad guy as there's still the chance they're both telling the truth and while there's no way to tell if it's true or not, it's down to believing either.

Now, what we can notice, with more certainty then the "truth" out there, is that rubric IS trying to get everyone to look away. That is clear as day.

Also, as said, the bad guys can't afford another good special out there as it makes winning indefinetaly harder. So, the bad guys get rid of the special and we get rid of the liar(if you can trust 100% that they both are trying to get echother killed).

Rubric might be innocent too, but now it sure doesn't look that way.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And no it's not a contradiction, saying it's clear one of them is rotten still holds the possibility of being wrong, as with everything.

50 50 odds or not, we still need to get the accomplish, and the special is dead anyway so we get a free night.

 

[Calaen]

Interesting concept Toh. Gives me something to mull over I suppose, I'd be interested to hear other peoples opinions round about now!!

 

[Uara]

If they're both good (i'm not saying they are but thats a possibility), then if we execute one today then we're going to lose the other one by foul means of those who oppose us, unless of course our doc or psych or whatever can protect him overnight. However that just gives them a free night to go after whoever they want as they know he will be being protected. So we could potentially be 3 down by tomorrow due to there appearing to be a second killer amongst us.

I don't like the fact that Opti came out so soon in this day, as Cal said it would have been better to wait a little bit and do a bit of prodding to see if he can get a reaction out of him or use it if he was close to being made to pay the price for the situation on board, but instead wham out he comes in the early hours.
I'm not convinced by Rubric, he seems to be accepting both Opti and Ch3t at face value and just going okay they're both working for the good guys, no questioning it at all. Its as if he is just trying to get them on side so if one or both of them die he can get away with saying "why would I be bad when I could have voted for them instead I defended them" etc he's either a)incredibly naive b)out to get us c)knows something we don't.

Don't want to put a vote down yet as we've still got some time to go.

 

[old.Tohtori]

In a nutshell;

if both are good and we are wrong(ofcourse we would then), we lose 2 specials. If one is bad and we are wrong, we lose 2 specials. If we're right, we get a baddie and lose special.

Accomplish in a nutshell; if we're right, we get a baddie and lose a special. If we're wrong, we lose 2 people, might be specials or not. Less change of losing 2 specials in case both are good.

Protective role considering, if we also vote right, the other person could get protected BUT then if they are both baddies, we're essentially making a baddie untouchable as everyone would think that person is good.

I did not consider the possibility of another baddie group here.

Wtih all this said, i'm not sure taking the 50/50 chance with opti/ch3t(with a chance of both being special) is better then trying to use the info here to get the accomplish(that's why i vote for rubric, nothing more, the focus shifting).

That's just how i see the options, corrections are welcome and other scenarios as well. One is that someone might be playing us all right up the excrement alley.

 

[Nate]

Would there really be 2 more specials though? There was 11 at the start, 2 spies, a nurse and a psychologist..if we are to believe them both 6/11 have some ability. Sounds fishy. How is the sub going to be repaired if we only had 5 people who actually knew what they were doing and aren't just a cover. Now we only have 4. To 6 specials.

 

[Nate]

nurse = doctor sorry

 

[Calaen]

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Would there really be 2 more specials though? There was 11 at the start, 2 spies, a nurse and a psychologist..if we are to believe them both 6/11 have some ability. Sounds fishy. How is the sub going to be repaired if we only had 5 people who actually knew what they were doing and aren't just a cover. Now we only have 4. To 6 specials.

If it's true that we only have the nurse and a psychologist, we can just kill both ch3t and opti now. I'm not sure of the crew roster, funnily enough ch3t had it last

 

[Rubric]

Atleast look at calean thot. I an nothing more than an innocent sailor. I believe their stories that is all. Shoot me for it if you wish but I don't believe both could have made that stuff up pj the spot.

 

[Calaen]

Atleast look at calean thot. I an nothing more than an innocent sailor. I believe their stories that is all. Shoot me for it if you wish but I don't believe both could have made that stuff up pj the spot.

aaahhh what's a mattter, you little night time buddy getting a bit of heat?? Your brining nothing to the table other than midless ramblings and now accusations without any efforts to explain why.

 

[opticle]

I came out early because in my opinion all the prodding that happened yesterday was utterly pointless and gave zero information other than my need to know whether or not I could trust Ch3tan because he was being so aggressive. I felt any further prodding today would do the same and I couldn't be bothered with it - achieve nothing other than more petty rabbling and less time to make a decision. At the end of the day, I wanted you to make a decision about one of us because you'll get something from that and I thought this was too good an advantage to waste. Maybe my math is wrong. And as I said, along with other reasons, I think Ch3tan has far too much sway to have any real success with prodding.

Itcheh is the only one that has spoken real sense. Everything he has said is spot on.
(And before you go on to suspect him, if I were bad and as stupid as to come forward with this as you seem to think, he would be even more insanely stupid to defend me).

If I'm honest, Calaen, you have my suspicions raised pretty high. If I survive, you'll be one of my next targets for interrogation.. Along with Rubric, Uara and Mabs.. this list is getting too long

I think I'm even more sure of my decision now, Ch3tan is no good role.

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You wouldn't know that, just for your information, unless you were one. I think it's worth noting. (editing posts is a big non btw, just do a new one )

Soz I thought that was how things worked. Was worried I wasn't supposed to say it anyways due to it being meta-gaming or something like that. I won't edit again, I just didn't want to piss everyone off when I think of another thing 5 secs after posting 10x )

 

[old.Tohtori]

Atleast look at calean thot. I an nothing more than an innocent sailor. I believe their stories that is all. Shoot me for it if you wish but I don't believe both could have made that stuff up pj the spot.

I am looking at things, but believing both who claim a rather new role is a bit off, especially dismissing it all and telling us to vote for those who vote for ch3t/opti. That is, as far as i'm concerned, only pointing towards protective posting so that the baddie friend gets saved.

I'm not suspicious of itcheh, not with this many more suspicious fellas around.

 

[Olgaline]

Ch3tan: 2 votes
Opticle: 2 votes
Rubric: 2 votes
Calaen: 1 vote

6 for majority
10 alive
3 undecided

 

[Rubric]

On the basis that ch3t says his powers are gone and everyone else seems to want to Lynch one of them then I see less risk in finding out if ch3tan was the liar by vote ch3tan [b/]

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh right, now that you've been called out on it and are in actual danger of getting voted on, you hop on the bandwagon that you just moments ago said "They ain't lying!"

 

[Ch3tan]

I'll write more later, but a quick input.

opti; so everyone is wrong except itcheh, because he agrees with you? Do you not see how blinkered you sound?

Rubric; so you vote for me after saying I'm innocent because I call you on your strange behaviour and vote for you? Nice defensive action there.

 

[Calaen]

Rubric your not doing anything but make me want to switch my vote over to you!

You make a silly vote, I call you on it and then Toh does. And then you change your vote to someone who you said you didn't feel was a danger.
Rather bizzare!!!

 

[Nate]

unvote: Opticle
vote: Rubric

Rubric you continually contradict yourself, have strange behaviour and were completely mental the first day. I don't think there's much point in you sticking around. I still think we should off one of Opti/Ch3t but if we wait until after tonight maybe the bad guys will do the hard work for us.

 

[itcheh]

I am not worried about Rubric - his madness on day 1 drew a lot of attention and made him stand out as different to everyone else on the boat ... hardly the sage tactics of a spy.

Spies are sneaky ... quiet for the most part, but guiding the conversation from the shadows when necessary.

Rubric strikes me as a bit of a loon ... but he's not dangerous. If you're worried about him then 'tag him' and put him to one side ... there are better candidates to review right now: (Ch3t and Opti)

... and you all know what I think on that matter.