WTF Denver shootings at Batman showing

[Mabs]

this always reminds me of that quote in, er Scream 1, i think ?
"violent movies dont make serial killers, violent movies make serial killers more inventive"

you have to be pre-disposed to this sort of stuff, u dont suddenly watch a film/ play a game/ listen to death metal/whatever and go mental and kill people

 

[throdgrain]

I understand what you mean TdC mate

I'm trying to say, theres 250 million people in the USA, lots and lots of them believe in the right to self defence, and enjoy shooting sports, yet it seems that the easy way out option is to try to ban guns like we did here. All that would happen is that the bad guys would still have guns, and the law abiding citizens wouldnt have guns, so would have no way of defending themselves. Pretty much like here.

 

[DaGaffer]

I understand what you mean TdC mate

I'm trying to say, theres 250 million people in the USA, lots and lots of them believe in the right to self defence, and enjoy shooting sports, yet it seems that the easy way out option is to try to ban guns like we did here. All that would happen is that the bad guys would still have guns, and the law abiding citizens wouldnt have guns, so would have no way of defending themselves. Pretty much like here.

except of course the figures don't remotely back that up. Even the numbers of Americans accidentally shooting themselves is massively higher than the total number of gun deaths in the UK; you can argue for a gun ban on that basis alone.

 

[throdgrain]

You can argue for a gun ban on the basis of anything, dont make it right.

 

[Gray]

I've just been reading on another forum the series of events when this took place. Quite unreal.

A victim of the incident, Jessica Ghawi was a month prior at the scene of another mass shooting at a mall, she was also an intern at a news station as well. After it happened her brother put up the series of events as to what happened.

Tragic, for her and all involved. Specially unlucky for it to happen twice in the space of just a few weeks for her mind.

 

[Job]

I bought my first telescope just around the corner from that cinema.
Just though I'd mention it.

 

[old.user4556]

Is that a gay sex euphemism?

 

[Tuthmes]

I understand what you mean TdC mate

I'm trying to say, theres 250 million people in the USA, lots and lots of them believe in the right to self defence, and enjoy shooting sports, yet it seems that the easy way out option is to try to ban guns like we did here. All that would happen is that the bad guys would still have guns, and the law abiding citizens wouldnt have guns, so would have no way of defending themselves. Pretty much like here.

There's a difference in bad guys and mental patients.

Also you could turn this around. The bad guy's know everyone has a gun, so they have to shoot to kill.

Anyways a friend of mine just has bin to the US the visit a friend of ours. Granted he's with the air force, but he has bigger arsenal of weapons then then all of the Dutch police force combined.

 

[throdgrain]

So what?

 

[Tuthmes]

Well with that attitude, I suppose you could say "so what?" when it comes to the Denver shootings aswell. Aswell as taking a 6 month old baby to the theater late nights.

You play with fire, you'll get burned. In the case of the USA you should adopt it too; "You play with fire(arms), you get shot in the head."

 

[throdgrain]

Not sure who or what you're criticizing now, possibly everthing

 

[Gray]

I'm real curious about how this is all panning out for Box Office sales and what not - The Dark Knight Rises was supposedly going to smash records over the weekend, but this has clearly given it a massive knock.

I personally don't get why all these Premieres are getting cancelled off? It was clearly an isolated incident - But what will they do in a few months time regarding the Box Office stuff when its Avengers vs Batman for opening weekend ratings?

 

[Aoami]

RT @mister_limey : It says a lot about the US that when a man in a costume
with a gun kills people, they ban costumes.

 

[rynnor]

The funny thing about gun panics is that anyone with basic chemistry and easily available chemicals can create far more deadly devices but I have yet to hear calls for a ban on chapati flour etc.

 

[Tuthmes]

A gun + bullets is cheaper (in the USA anyway, for example he hade 4k or 6k bullets) and if you did it wrong the first time, you can pull the trigger once more for the desired effect. On a more serious note, get a degree in psychology. Wielding a weapon equals power. Aswell as you can see your victims die. Also chemistry is a science, you need a brain for that. Even if you have that, you need to take into account external factors.

There are cities in the USA that have a higher homicide rate then warzones (Kabul for instance).

Guns dont kill people. People kill people. With guns.

 

[Raven]

And cars, knives, toilet cleaner, pillows, golf clubs etc etc

Ban everything

 

[soze]

I do agree that it is retarded that the guy can buy a 100 round drum magazine. If you want a gun like that for target shooting or hunting or even self defence then a 10 round clip should be more than enough. If you need more than 10 rounds without reloading you either need to practice shooting or you have been invaded.

Seeing that suit he is wearing I can see how he walked though the street that looks like Batman armour.

 

[Aoami]

Why do guns NEED to be legal?

 

[Raven]

Target sport, hunting. Because people want to protect their homes (In America it's legal and over here it's a grey area at the moment, home protection)

 

[Tuthmes]

And cars, knives, toilet cleaner, pillows, golf clubs etc etc

Ban everything

Have you ever tried killing 30 people with 1 car or 2 knives, etc, etc?

You may stand a bigger chance to protect your home, but you also created the (a bigger) threat. People getting shot, because they entered the premise (sp?) or looked like beeing a thread, is another thing that happends a lot.

 

[soze]

Have you ever tried killing 30 people with 1 car or 2 knives, etc, etc?

Blow up the petrol tank on a car at a bus stop and you could easily kill 30 people. Also home made bombs and home made chemical weapons could of killed everyone in that cinema with ease. Nutters will always find a way to be nutters.

 

[Raven]

Yeah, certainly not free guns for all but I don't so why perfectly sane, normal people should not be allowed to own them...if they want to. Freedom of choice and all that.

 

[Tom]

Why do guns NEED to be legal?

Why do fast cars need to be legal? Why do violent FPS games need to be legal? Why do fireworks need to be legal?

None of them need to be legal. But people want to play with them anyway and the majority do so while not harming others.

 

[Tom]

Blow up the petrol tank on a car at a bus stop and you could easily kill 30 people. Also home made bombs and home made chemical weapons could of killed everyone in that cinema with ease. Nutters will always find a way to be nutters.

Hollywood ≠ real life.

 

[Tuthmes]

Yeah, certainly not free guns for all but I don't so why perfectly sane, normal people should not be allowed to own them...if they want to. Freedom of choice and all that.

Because people make mistakes, get emotional, forget (ie. leave things laying around), need money (sell). Leave alone that childeren want to play and always find what they are looking for. Besides that, it's hard to judge who's sane and who's not (or when).

@ soze, already mentioned it above. External factors, uncertainty, psychology, etc.

 

[Job]

Its all very clever arguing the semantics , but there is more to gun ownership than that, there is the physcological boost it gives the deranged owner, the feeling of being badass and the ease of the trigger pull, repeatedly glorified in movies, with slo-mo shots of two handed gun straffing and spinning barrels of gattling guns, they attract nutters and do seem to be the weapon of choice, unless the guy is making a political point and isn't interested in the 'event', then they just use explosives.
They should be banned simply because having them freely available just ups the ante, they don't rob late night stores in america with a knife cos they know the guy behind the desk will probably be armed.

 

[soze]

Banning is not the answer gun control is. I have a friend who recently got a .22 rifle and the police work involved was staggering. He had 3 visits where he was told his safe was not good enough and that he needed a separate ammo safe. If America had checks anywhere near the same as here maybe these nut jobs would not get so many guns.

 

[Job]

But he wasn't a nutjob, he would have and did pass the tests to own a gun, you can't legislate against someone going loopy.

 

[Raven]

I have a few knives that would be considered illegal to most coppers, they would be considered weapons when they are in fact tools.

 

[soze]

But he wasn't a nutjob, he would have and did pass the tests to own a gun, you can't legislate against someone going loopy.

Everything I have read suggests he was a nut job which is my point the tests they have for owning a gun are nowhere near good enough.