wtf are we gone get now ?

[Muylaetrix]

However this was an AC raid. Now you have said you disagree with these raids - now Muly and this is the killer question. What do you suggest your realm does about it? Do you believe as a realm you can take a stand against ACraids of the bad kind?

I only had one person report from it and it was our American guildy. he said that he just joined in on emain when he saw that there was still a lot of action there. he was hugely enthousiastic about the whole afair and probably fellt very proud of haveing aided in conquering said relic.

NOTHING i saw indicated that this was a TRUE AC raid and not the effect/aftermatch of an extended campaing which started days earlier with the creation of irvr in emain.

my guess is that over 50% of all the players online at that time were involved in taking that relic and approved of the action being undertaken.

The game is for those who play, when they play, not those who are afk or not logged on.

the world turns, with or without me or you.



a true AC raid is lame, but part of the game.

treason is more than lame.

 

[Icebreaker]

They arnt early morning raiders <slaps> they are late night players, or even other time code players or... bah nvm no point explaining u

Thats the BIG Difference? xDDDDDDDDDD

VERY MUCH!

I really want to know from which Universe you came from......

 

[Kinetix]

The game is for those who play, when they play, not those who are afk or not logged on.

the world turns, with or without me or you.

omg that was poethic

 

[noaim]

I never said they cared, re-read my post. I asked if it was worth to do that and get bad rep.
"Enforcing a person´s or group´s way of thinking on to other ppl never had good results in Mans history..."

If they dont care about what you think, why would it not be worth it? Considering they fuck over a bunch of players who I guess they think fucks others over, and the downside is that some people they dont give a fuck about will dislike em, I really wonder what the downside is that would make it not worth it.

 

[Kinetix]

Thats the BIG Difference? xDDDDDDDDDD

VERY MUCH!

yeah THAT SIMPLE!

 

[Icebreaker]

treason is more than lame.

Because it affects you? Too bad!

You are Kinetix Brother or something?

 

[Cromcruaich]

stuff

Oh for the love of god, stop with the role play. I honestly dont believe you're real opinion is anywhere near as polarised as the posts you're making.

Incidently (and this isnt meant to be taking the piss), condone is to agree with an action.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Lol... now the FG crowd suffered from grief over years.

When I thought this thread became slowly boring some brought it back to life with a good joke.

Next time he will maybe want to hang Horner or Panosbob... Beware!

 

[Sharkith]

I only had one person report from it and it was our American guildy. he said that he just joined in on emain when he saw that there was still a lot of action there. he was hugely enthousiastic about the whole afair and probably fellt very proud of haveing aided in conquering said relic.

NOTHING i saw indicated that this was a TRUE AC raid and not the effect/aftermatch of an extended campaing which started days earlier with the creation of irvr in emain.

my guess is that over 50% of all the players online at that time were involved in taking that relic and approved of the action being undertaken.

The game is for those who play, when they play, not those who are afk or not logged on.

the world turns, with or without me or you.

a true AC raid is lame, but part of the game.

treason is more than lame.

You are getting more incoherent as this thread goes on. I am not here to ask what is in people's heads or to mull over philosophical points like "if a relic goes missing and no-one is awake to see it, does it really go missing?" Which I think is what your now trying to say.

What I am asking you to tell me (and you need to answer this question since you decided to throw the shit at TT) is what would you suggest people do to discourage AC raids?

Its all well and good to scream traitor etc. but you haven't made one suggestion about how best to tackle this issue as a group. Until you do that all you are doing here is poisoning your own realm. Its not TT at fault it is you and people like you who fail to try and help people reach agreement on how to deal with this issue.... So you started to throw shit at your realm mates - now tell us what is the best way forward Muly?

 

[Cromcruaich]

The game is for those who play, when they play, not those who are afk or not logged on.
the world turns, with or without me or you.
.

Soz, wrong, the game is for those who play, whenever they play.

And probably about time to drop the 'true ac raid' stuff. It doesnt stand up and has been discussed before.

Bill:'I did not have sexual relations with that woman'
Hilary:'But Bill, you stuck your cock in her mouth'

 

[Phake]

Lol... now the FG crowd suffered from grief over years.

When I thought this thread became slowly boring some brought it back to life with a good joke.

Next time he will maybe want to hang Horner or Panosbob... Beware!

well aint fucking over someone elses fun grief? .. i thought it was...

 

[Cromcruaich]

"if a relic goes missing and no-one is awake to see it, does it really go missing?"

The relic is both there and not there, its occupies both states, being at once in hibernia, and in albion, until someone makes an FH post about it.

 

[Blow]

tbh m8 i couldnt give a flying poop about bonuses it's the principle here from my view point.

CM and co are slowly ruining the game I love by behaving like jobless freaks with all this AC nonsense. They don't give a fcuk about the realm and any bad karma they cause. What TT have done is technically against the SoTG agreed, but maybe they felt it necessary to lower the keep in order to make a point.

This whole arguement is getting blown up way out of proportion. Lets just accept whats happen and learn from it. Namely STOP ACING RELICS as there is no need to do so.

BTW don't call me Anal as my nobby styles are like a bunch of grapes today and all you do is remind me of them

Well you are so well informed m8, CM did not TAKE THIS RELIC, I need to correct you there 95% of the people from CUSTODIA have a job, and even have a social life. You proberly playing or have played more DAOC hours then all of Custodia. That we play in the night has all to do that we mostly cannot play in the evening hours, and since our last guild relic raid (august 2006 if i can remember) we have not taken any other relic.
that other albs taking the relic in the midnight or AC it should be no problem at all, if people leaving for this reason then they proberly had no fun before at all. If we dont give a fuck about our realm then we would have going to Avalon aswell like all of your guildies done, you and your guildies are promoting on this forum to come and join Avalon so if any one is leaving this cluster its more like your guildies fault instead
of some albs that take a relic. Ofc its not nice if you logon and you see your relic has been captured, so you try to retake it, form a BG and just retake it at any time you can. Setting a keep to level 1 where a relic is makes the game playable how it should be played (3 realms fighting eachother).

 

[Stt]

It's ofc nothing like it. The thing is you guys who prefer to fight fg vs fg do nothing but bang on about people respecting your fights and playstyle. The actions taken today show you do not show the same respect to others playstyles. Downgrading the keep is within the code of conduct (well we'll see about that when GoA reply to my questions about it) - so is 'adding' on every fight on Agramon except you want people to respect that and stay away why can't you show those who like to siege the same respect?

I don't personally care about the relics either way, it's more fun for me personally when keeps and/or relics change hands regularly as I enjoy siegeing. However, I do not think it is up to one (small) guild to decide something for an entire realm, it is extremely arrogant. It is up to each individual to decide whether to defend a relic taken at whatever time of day not up to you to decide for everyone.



*This is 1 of the more intelligence post ive read about this post.
I dont have anything against TT, i believe they are a bunch of players who enjoy DOAC, But what they did was wrong imo. I dont care whether albs, hibs or mids takes the relics at 5am, 6am. Good for their respective realm if they can manage it. The relics are to be taken by design.

What you called the "lame" players pve'ing in the morning is out of order. Sure, there was not many ppl playing at 6am but that doesnt mean doac servers are shut down, doesnt mean players are going to stop playing. The pve'ers likes to fight against guards. Good for them, they pay their due to mythic. They can do whatever the fuk they want. If you dont like it, whine at your own realm for not defending. And so fuking what if relics are taken at 6am. If you care so much about them, make some effect to take them back whether is it 5pm or 5am. No 1 will or can stop you doing so. An eye for an eye, id say.

Now, back to the main point, TT effectively released the relic from the players who earned it (pve or not, they still need to put effords into doing so). TT released the keep in a hope that Hibs will get it back soon.. to try preserve the 8v8 balance i believe? or justice to all realms? What if mids managed to steal it from hibs? By doing that TT have fuked the pve'ers royally.

Sure, TT probably woundnt give a fuk about the pve'ers. I personally dont care about pve'er, they pay their own subs, they do what they want. Releaseing the keep isnt against CoC. Its TT's choice, no1 can do anything about it. BUT if they stick a pole up some1 arse, you should expect an reaction.

The majority of pve'ers dont/wont bother about the 8v8 rvr in Agamon. Now, what if they start adding, sticking in Agamon? All it takes is a couple of stealthers to fuk up an enjoyable fights with the other realms. And if this happens, you, in effects have spoiled the only enjoyment for yourself + the opposing realm. Sticking/adding isnt against CoC as far as i know..If ppl start doing this, I fear the worst for full group fights. You can whine/moan or whatever, but the respects TT earned are long gone from the majority of Albs by this action. I

dont condem what they didnt, but the conciquenses are far more fetching..

 

[Sharkith]

The relic is both there and not there, its occupies both states, being at once in hibernia, and in albion, until someone makes an FH post about it.

so did eble@work take it then?

 

[Gahn]

Well tbh TT can take the keep to lvl2 sure... but what will happen in the future?
Well some albs might agree with TT and have no problem with that, on the other hand TT gets horrible Rep for doing that and even if albs loose relic due to this the future presents itself with another AC RR and in that time they wont put on a Keep controlled by TT.


So concluding: TT gets bad rep for enforcing this on other ppl and AC RR will remain

So i must ask: Was it worth it TT members?

U didn't even bothered to read TT members and GM replies evidently, but it ain't news from ya.
Ofc it won't stop ppl ACing, a dead cluster will do so tho and u just shortening the lifetime span of it with such actions.
Go on and give the final deathblow, it's a new morning today!!!!

I never said they cared, re-read my post. I asked if it was worth to do that and get bad rep.
"Enforcing a person´s or group´s way of thinking on to other ppl never had good results in Mans history..."

Au contraire in fact, they earned even more respect in our eyes.
And who the fuck cares of your "respect" since u don't have any for other ppl of the community bar your beloved "albs". You are an Alb IRL!! xD

 

[Darzil]

why do u think that our cluster has a falling population and limited possibilities compared to other clusters?

ill tell u why its because of the mentality of the players within it, the majority of players are happy to sit and camp bridges within there own realm and anyone who is brave/stupid enough to go outside there own realm and look for fights finds fuck all except from at these bridges and gets zerged back to there own realm(and no i just dont mean albs by this, other realms are guilty to, but its a vicious circle). its not just about AC relic raids but it all adds up to why this server is in such a rapid decline.

Well, I don't like camping bridges or unorganised zerging, so if those are my
only options I either log or go PvE.

I like organised (ie siege) zerging, if I've got at least a semi-decent group to be in, and I like roaming fg vs fg rvr.

When I can find a group, usually an alliance one, I have a great time.

Most of the time I can't, as I'm low RR, so no one wants to know. (I have got several fully TOA'd, ML10 toons, but highest is 3L8)

I'm certainly not planning to leave my enjoyable guild/alliance to join a fixed 'guild group', which seem to collapse in a flurry of people leaving more often than not.

The lack of rvr groups that will welcome people outside a small social group / high RR is far more off-putting to me than any amount of AC raids / bridge camping / adding etc.

Ignite/Vannyn/Caddis/Kenelm

 

[Gahn]

Well you are so well informed m8, CM did not TAKE THIS RELIC, I need to correct you there 95% of the people from CUSTODIA have a job, and even have a social life. You proberly playing or have played more DAOC hours then all of Custodia. That we play in the night has all to do that we mostly cannot play in the evening hours, and since our last guild relic raid (august 2006 if i can remember) we have not taken any other relic.
that other albs taking the relic in the midnight or AC it should be no problem at all, if people leaving for this reason then they proberly had no fun before at all. If we dont give a fuck about our realm then we would have going to Avalon aswell like all of your guildies done, you and your guildies are promoting on this forum to come and join Avalon so if any one is leaving this cluster its more like your guildies fault instead
of some albs that take a relic. Ofc its not nice if you logon and you see your relic has been captured, so you try to retake it, form a BG and just retake it at any time you can. Setting a keep to level 1 where a relic is makes the game playable how it should be played (3 realms fighting eachother).

For god sake don't ever try to click on Avalon and press play we had nuff of ya here ...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

For god sake don't ever try to click on Avalon and press play we had nuff of ya here ...

I'll come. Just wondering what class is best to solo "add" on FGs! I should ask Maeloch, he was quite scary on his Menta.

 

[Blow]

For god sake don't ever try to click on Avalon and press play we had nuff of ya here ...

If it makes you quit daoc then i mostlikely will make a char there

 

[Gahn]

If it makes you quit daoc then i mostlikely will make a char there

Ahah u can try and see how u like it!
Could always play my toons if u and your like beeings fuck off the Cluster ^^

 

[Cromcruaich]

CM wont reroll to a high population realm, they dont like any sort of proper opposition. Theyve flourished here, because they like to farm soloers and duos around towers/bridges, until all the guild groups have gone to bed, then they settle themselves down for some real frontier pve.

Actually its not fair to generalise about all of cm in that way, i'm sure there are a few good apples in the barrel.

 

[Killswitch]

Only just saw this thread, been off-net for a few days...314 replies and most of it just a load of argumentative, childish bollocks

I think 2 years ago this would have been a pretty lame trick and I think 2 years ago I'd have joined the crowd calling for TT's head on some kind of pointy stick (with or without a nice chili marinade). I also don't think for a second that players of TT's calibre would dream of pulling a stunt two years ago.

I've never really dealt with people from Asylum, so they could have done the little relic keep downgrading thing for stupid reasons (like attention-whoring or trying to piss people off) or they could have been doing it for more sane reasons (like trying to send a message to their shitkicker realm-mates that maybe their actions in RvR aren't the best way to ensure a good future for the Cluster).

I don't believe for a second that Daemyr and crew would be doing this for stupid or selfish reasons. It's a damn shame (and a real statement on the quality of RvR left on cluster) that NFD have decided to join the other guilds on Avalon. At the rate we're going, we're just going to have 20 Alb visibles on Occasus Bridge, 12 Mid stealthers on Brynja Bridge and no Hibs ANYWHERE in the frontiers, with CM occasionally logging on to knock over an enemy relic keep at 2am.

The Cluster cannot afford to keep losing players. If the actions of the same few players (be it Golden Add and their lame Valk of Doom running around adding on every damn thing (although I hear they're getting better recently) or CM PvEing relics at 2am) are causing tens of commited RvR players to leave the Cluster, then it's about time someone did something or said something that might make them think twice about their actions.

I don't think it'll make any difference, but I for one am glad that TT are trying something to maybe make some people look twice at how their playstyle (and yes, they pay their subs...as do TT...and as did the people who have now quit due to retarded lameness of various types) affect the Cluster as a whole.

I think that despite the slightly vomit-inducing 'leetness' of the FG RvR scene and the kind of public-school buddy buddy elitist bollocks that goes on, it does bring a lot of legitimacy to RvR game on a server. I'm sure people who like to RvR will realise that there's no real challenge in PvEing keeps or farming duos with their 5sorc 0cleric PUG (or sorc+DIbot if you prefer ).

Anyway, kudos to TT...I don't think it'll make a bit of difference and the attitude of people on these boards so far seems to back me up. Nice try though. I myself am rerolling to the US servers where there are more than a few hundred people on my Cluster primetime.

 

[Turgaladh]

lol 22 pages with fun! havent really read it all. And I most definitely dont want to get involved in this flame war. anyhoo - its prolly been mentioned but once more cant hurt. (it might even be far off but hey who cares right?)

It's cute how "pro AC raids" people are angry/pissed/(aggro or whatever) at TT for downgrading the keep to level 1. - All action has reactions. (isnt that the proverb?) So TT's action is basicly a reacton to the Alarm Clock raid. (And to be honest this should be really easy to see.) So everyone thats angry at TT should actually be angry at "the ACers" (yeah right, thats gonna happen). And it should also tell us how bad timing that AC raid was, that albs have to "make it easier" (or whatever) for hibs to take it back.

Ok. I understand that everyone here have a different pov on this matter. But still remember you should take the hint when your own realm works against you. And Im pretty sure you can have fun without relic raiding 4 - 5 am in the morning. Or you can relic raid. But dont be surprised with the reaction (oh here he goes again) when you know so many disagree with your action.

And let's stop with the personal assaults - can't we all just be friends?

and at the end I want to say: action - reaction (such nice words)

Turd(aladh)

/edit bleh Killswitch did a nice post before me! now nobody's gonna think im smart /cry
/edit2 not that they would..

 

[Cadelin]

In my opinion downgrading the keep and leaving it at low level is a bit lame. Its not a them vs us situation (with regard to the alb guilds), there is a difference between not helping your realm and actively helping the enemy.

You want people to respect your game play so you can have fun and they want to do the same. Sometimes you will need each other and work together sometimes your opinions on whats best for your realm will be different.

If TT and all the albion guilds that disagreed with the raid simply released all their towers and keeps and didn't claim any until they believed the relic situation was restored it would make a point and if enough alb guilds agreed that the relic take was lame and released their towers it would significantly weaken the alb frontier. Having easy access to insta RvR in albion makes trying for a relic take that much easier. Anyway the chances are the relic won't be retaken at prime time and so it seems silly to cause such anger.

 

[prodical]

i havent read the 22 pages , but this is great stuff from TT tbh. good work lads , something new and different. and its not against spirt of game. against the spirt of the game is taking an arti at 4 or 5am when there is only 10hibs online to defend, this is why people dont care about the sever anymore.....wat they need to do is cluster this sever with USA, so wen cm....relic/twr campers try to raid...its wont happen as its prime time usa and they will get it handed to them.

 

[Cromcruaich]

...

Turg, you may want to make a correction to then end if your post

 

[Turgaladh]

Turg, you may want to make a correction to then end if you post

lol the turd part? lmao!

 

[Kinetix]

U didn't even bothered to read TT members and GM replies evidently, but it ain't news from ya.
Ofc it won't stop ppl ACing, a dead cluster will do so tho and u just shortening the lifetime span of it with such actions.
Go on and give the final deathblow, it's a new morning today!!!!



Au contraire in fact, they earned even more respect in our eyes.
And who the fuck cares of your "respect" since u don't have any for other ppl of the community bar your beloved "albs". You are an Alb IRL!! xD

The only ones giving the deathblows is you and the Grass is greener on Avalon QQs that keep nagging for this and that with no special reason.

Who gives the crap about a bunch of QQs AND on a different realm that change servers cause some1 stole theyr lolipop?! Where did i say in these posts that they wanted or cared about my respect? shit i care as much as them, wich is 0

 

[Cromcruaich]

lol the turd part? lmao!

doh! yea.