WoW overtaking Daoc? discussion thread.

[Eroda]

Really enjoying playing WoW

Hard to tell how it will last as time goes by but i will certainly be playing when its released properly. Feels really fresh and ive got to really like the cartoony feel to it. Everything just 'feels' spot on, a perfect creation of the warcraft world.

Whether it will replace Daoc for me is another matter but tbh i find daoc stressful and irritating since toa. The slow release times of expansions and patches has not help matters and im now at a stage where i want to move on if a decent game were to arrive.

 

[gervaise]

Is WoW any good. You read this thread and the only conclusion you can come to is it is. This from people who have played DAoC for a long time, who are not US fanbois.

Originally posted by Bracken:
Did people complain about DAOC in the early days? Not as far as I remember
Mocharon's response:
The competition was a bit different back then... ;o

Absolutely. For all its faults when it came out DAoC had big, new graphics, horses / rapid transport, no corpse recovery. In short they had listened to what the complaints about UO / EQ / AC were and improved. People left those games for DAoC and many stayed with DAoC. See the similarity?

Originally posted by Cylian: WoW won't kill DAoC, but DAoC is sure in for a slap. 100% agree. DAoC when it came out stopped EQs stellar growth but the numbers continued to grow. As said above the competition was different then and there was a lot less of it. If the DAoC population does not fall I wil be amazed.

Originally Posted by Esoteric
This will give you an idea of the enormity of wow.
"Currently 33 Servers Online almost all of them are full
server capacity is around the 3k mark
33 x 3 = 99,000 players
thats excluding euro & korea"

Chim's response:
with a main difference with DAOC : it's free for the moment. Don't except this number at release when kids without credit card won't be able to play.

Well the situation in the US is that the pre-paid version of WoW are selling like hot cakes and the file planet open beta downloads are maxxed out.
And as Chodax posted: for everyone in beta there were a 4 trying to get in.

All of which leads to:

Originally posted by Kelless:
I don't think it will kill DAOC , but it could cause problems . The kind of ppl that will initially try WOW will probably be the players that have been playing DAOC for a long time , these are the ppl who are active in rvr . If you were to lose a chunk of ppl from rvr on some servers, those servers could quickly become very boring in rvr . Then ppl may leave to play WOW , not because they want to , but because rvr on their server has gone downhill.

This could lead to a snowballing effect of the ppl on these servers , and it could be very hard to recover from it .

Which really is a potential killer. (Not even counting the double whammy caused by buff-bots). You need real players - not just buff-bots - for RvR and to a lesser extent PvE. I can testify that if the population is low then both RvR and PvE becomes very boring.

WoW coming soon. One other response the European beta is running at the same standard as the other servers.

Looks like WoW staff have even managed to translate US English into both UK English and Australian English without any problems ..... must be GoA having to translate US English into French before they can translate the French into UK English that holds things up.

 

[izikiel]

I gotta admit
playing on a rvr server must seriously suck, all the time to get kitted then the time to do mls/artis then get to a decent rr and then getting rolled by gank squads... Thats why I play on camlann.

Back to the topic though.

WoW has its pros and cons.. But I dont see myself paying for a game that I will be done with in a month or 2 or 3, not a mmorpg at least

Id rather play through baldursgate 1&2 instead if I wanted that

 

[enigma]

WoW has its pros and cons.. But I dont see myself paying for a game that I will be done with in a month or 2 or 3, not a mmorpg at least

Id rather play through baldursgate 1&2 instead if I wanted that

What exactly in Blizzard previous history says that they'll stop developing content for a MMORPG after having finished 3 months of content?

Why will you be done with everything wow has to offer after 2-3 months?

 

[enigma]

WOW makes me roleplay , think I made more emotes in 4 days then 3 years of DAOC :O

/train

 

[Sendraks]

The kind of ppl that will initially try WOW will probably be the players that have been playing DAOC for a long time , these are the ppl who are active in rvr . If you were to lose a chunk of ppl from rvr on some servers, those servers could quickly become very boring in rvr.

I disagree.

If you lose the people who are most active in RvR, you invariably lose the people with the highest RR toons.

If the highest RR toons are gone, there is less disparity between the RR of toons in RvR. Therefore it is easier for those with low RR toons, the majority, and the casual player to compete in RvR. Therefore RvR becomes more fun for the majority, therefore RvR improves.

Honestly, if the hardcore 24/7 players go to play WoW, I can only see that as improving things for those of us who are still playing DAoC.

 

[Vae]

Looks like WoW staff have even managed to translate US English into both UK English and Australian English without any problems ..... must be GoA having to translate US English into French before they can translate the French into UK English that holds things up.

The reason you have delays on translation by Goa is that they wait until all the languages are translated before they release any translation to live servers. Also Wow has been designed to be translated from it's start whereas Daoc was never designed to be easily translateable.

 

[nick]

Been playing the EU beta with steph quite a bit.

The base is there to make it absolutely massive. PVE is interesting and painless. Graphics engine is very smooth and the way the world is setup can make for some very interesting PVP settings. Crafting is implemented properly and integrated into the overall flow of the game moreso than anything else I've played. The basic small skirmishing between players is fun but thats mostly due to the newness of it all.

Now all they have to do is include a more complete PVP system, starting with rewards, and they'll have a winner on their hands. Oh and include a decent group bar please blizzard.

 

[Clipse]

I like wow. But it just too damn easy to level. And all of my Engineering creations are useless !! I do make the market's best gun the "silver plated Shotgun" with Solid shots on US server 13

 

[Afran]

Yeah Guildwras is fun.. leveled and got my warrior.monk to 20 and got full knight armour ;o and also leveled a mes/monk allthough will got monk/mes next time round, to level 20 as well and a full suit of caster cloth :].

PvP is a laugh as well and im sure the maps will get bigger better and more of them.

Also had warrior/monk 20 in knight armor, hammer specced ;| PvP was fun yeh, and seemed very balanced, though the maps are small, but I see that as a good thing. They got bigger the more succesful PvP you did, I got to rank 3 which I think was the highest for the 'beta', and the maps seemed a bit bigger. ;o

Warrior with endure pain (+150 hp for 15secs), signet heal (from monk, 70-80 hp heal at the level I had it), and sprint (from warrior) seems a bit op. Could whack on endure pain, sprint away and spam signet heal a bit

 

[Ilum]

I have tried WoW just a bit. Gameplay wise it seems pretty same to DaoC - the quests are basically the same, with less running involved usually. Most of them are just pure killtasks really...so far atleast.

It's more polished and has a better appearance. Guess it comes down to the PvP system, the PvE doesn't really seem that much better altogether.

 

[Chesnox]

I've been playin WoW most of today. Obviously can't comment on grinding etc.. since I am still a lowb in WoW. BUT...it is much more welcoming than daoc, which isn't/ When I played open beta daoc I was poor, gimped and badly specced, because of this it was really, really tough to level. Details: I was a hunter with points in spear, sword, BS, bow and stealth. I could barely kill greens, and soon rerolled a healer, cos I figured they didn't have to actually do anything other than spam about 3 spells (nowts changed).

The reason WoW might hold my attention is because of the horrible grindfest that daoc is now. Its horrible. Getting to 50 is nothing now. The artis+lvling/MLs are simply a sadistic joke. Sadly, my main is a wrrior, soon to be nerfed by 1.70. My choices are, roll a new char, get to 50, do those highly entertaining MLs again (ML3, such a joy!!!!), get artis, level them, then go actually play the game......Or go play WoW....

Well, WoW it is tbh. Its probable that in the time it would take me to make a char in daoc that is actually capable of RvR in NF, blizzard would have improved WoW PvP....I'm willing to take that chance...

 

[Belomar]

WoW is okay, but I am not sure of how I will like it in the long run. I am frankly disappointed in the low amount of classes available, and the ones that are in are not too exciting. Yes, I know there are balancing problems with different realms/factions having different classes, but in my mind, that adds a lot of spice to an MMORPG.

I will probably buy WoW when it comes to Europe--not going to bother with any US servers.

 

[censi]

i been playing wow for the first time today.

it is amazing.

I am only lowbie to. the initial lvling process seems similiar to daoc with mob grinding and quests.

however theres some fluff in wow which really makes daoc look out of date.

The graffix in terms on graphical quality are similar to daoc, but the animation and rendering is much better. The towns and landscape are much more atmospheric.

Sound is wow is also streets ahead of daoc.

The attention to detail in wow seems awsome to and I have seen about 0.00001 % of the map.

I did find that none of the classes are very appealing but to be honest I dont know much about them apart from what people tell me.

a lot of the appeal of wow is that fact that its new and pretty and it works!

my gut feeling is that WOW is gonna be massive though. Its certainly pretty damn polished and impressive on first opinions.

 

[Tholus]

DAoC strenght: experience and RvR
Down side: is old and PvE is dead (on hib anyway.... animist,fins etc)

WoW strenght: is new and has good PvE
Down side: is young and has no good RvR

I really dunno who will win......

 

[emma]

WoW's quest system is very well done, there are literally thousands and thousands of quests in the game. Ranging from a simple kill xx mob's to deliver this to there or even pickpocket xxx guy and steal the contents of this chest!.

My most recent solo quest involved me seeking out a woman who is steaking out a tower, she is stealthed. After finding her, she asked me to pickpocket a named npc. After that i had to move into a tower guarded by Elite mobs (WoWs version of Boss's) and steal the items out of the chest.

There is an element of strategy that could have been used for this.

1. Zerg the tower and kill everything.
2. Kill the Elite mob (impossible to kill him solo unless you much higher level. atleast 10 levels higher)
3. Stealth in, use my Sap ability (25 second mezz) and quickly nab the items. then run like the wind.

Some quests can be annoyingly difficult but generally there interesting and often fun to do.

 

[Novac]

All i can say im gonna buy WoW, test it but will not quit daoc
i just love RvR... its soo much fun exp'ing in daoc sucks and is boring tho... but hey lets wait for catacombs ! new awsome exp'ing zones, items, place's to explore, classe's, skills !: )

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

DAoC strenght: experience and RvR
Down side: is old and PvE is dead (on hib anyway.... animist,fins etc)

WoW strenght: is new and has good PvE
Down side: is young and has no good RvR

I really dunno who will win......

WoW imo

 

[harm]

It might have been told before, but euro beta has up till now about 330,000 applicants (is that a word? .

 

[Morchaoron]

DAoC strenght: experience and RvR
Down side: is old and PvE is dead (on hib anyway.... animist,fins etc)

WoW strenght: is new and has good PvE
Down side: is young and has no good RvR

I really dunno who will win......

well we know what NF brings us and we dont know if catacombs will be a improvement to daoc rvr (since rvr is/was its only stregnth)

WoW on the other hand is much more complete then daoc ever was at its 'release' AND it still has the purety of youth, unlike daoc which has in my eyes made some irreversible errors like the impact of ToA on RvR or certain other things (like some classes)

wow being young is no downside, it has great potential to develop while daoc kinda failed after these 3 years to become something great, i only see NF as something that actually 'improves' the gamplay instead of giving people a few extra quickbars with artifacts/mls to press...

mythic cant go on forever with the mindless adding of zones and QB buttons, now would be a good time for them to consider DaoC 2 (and i really hope they will have learned from the mistakes they've made here)

 

[gervaise]

DAoC strenght: experience and RvR
Down side: is old and PvE is dead (on hib anyway.... animist,fins etc)

WoW strenght: is new and has good PvE
Down side: is young and has no good RvR

I really dunno who will win......

It isn't a question of who will win. The question is what downside DAoC is going to see and how well it will weather the storms ahead. (Well Guild Wars, Tabla Rosa and City of Villains etc. may be storms, WoW and EQ2 are probably hurricanes).

 

[gervaise]

The reason you have delays on translation by Goa is that they wait until all the languages are translated before they release any translation to live servers. Also Wow has been designed to be translated from it's start whereas Daoc was never designed to be easily translateable.

Hi Vae;

Sarcasm mode off!

There is GoA post about how it is more than just language that they have to translate and how they can only start once they get it from Mythic - type of excuse I have seen before. This absolves neither GoA or Mythic.

Having different servers etc is bad planning at the outset. It could be fixed but that would mean spending money on hardware.
Delays in getting the code from Mythic - well that opens up a whole avenue of speculation: strategic partnership problems, or maybe a desire by Mythic to control the release of expansions in Europe. Could it be fixed. Sarcasm mode ON. Catacombs has gone Gold and has been sent to the publishers for pressing / packaging. Should a copy be sent to GoA. Sorry boss we still have that dispute with GoA over who pays for the postage ......

Sarcasm off. There IS no excuse for GoA not being able to start the translation PRIOR to it's release in the US.

 

[Jaem-]

Found WoW boring to be honest, will give it another go on the PvP server soon, just way hyped at the mo tho, perhaps it will all die down soon when people have tried out this new game.

Gameplay was abit dull, and simple to me.

Graphics, hurt my eyes no matter which settings, guess my gfx card dodgy.

The rez spirit thingy when you die was interesting.

Certainly seems more of a questing game then DAoC.

I hope PvP server has abit more to do, as the Normal ones was like no challenge (low level at least) with the fast regen rate, was no need to even have a heal spell on the druid, wanted to run around help people with the buff and heal I had, but no one needed it so kinda Zzz for that point.

 

[Daedalus]

I was recently discussing WoW with someone else, and we came to the conclusion that you may as well play NWN or Morrowind. Read below.

I think that there are two kinds of fun when playing games; one is the 'insta' kind of fun, the kind of fun you find on most console games. And the slowly-building-up-but-long-lasting kind of fun, the ones that you find on most PC games, mainly RPGs. Then you also have simplicity/complexity of games, where simplicity stimulates the insta-fun factor and the complexity stimulates the more longer lasting kind of fun.

I found WoW to be a simplified insta-fun game. I really enjoyed the game so far, I duo'd with a m8 who really loves RPGs, and we really enjoyed leveling and exploring the big world of Warcraft. But, I think that we won't miss WoW when it goes live. Sure, we'll miss the fun for a few days, but we get the same thrill when playing an 'off-line' RPG coop, and we still haven't finished Hordes of the Underdark (NWN expansion) because we take 2 to 3 months breaks every now and then.

So.. lets take a look at DAoC. Everything is a lot more complicated in DAoC, except maybe the quests. It's easier to fuck up your character, but on the same account you DO put a lot more effort in your character. I also have the feeling that my DAoC characters require more skill than my WoW characters. Also, in DAoC you can solo if you wish, but I found the game to be a lot more fun when in a full group, raiding some dungeon (Keltoi, Barrows or Avalon City) or even outside (the Salisbury Plains, etc). Whereas in WoW I've grouped with 4 or 5 people before, but it didn't really feel like teamworking, more like sharing the loot. I have the feeling that WoW is more quest orientated.

I don't think I'll be at a high enough level to participate in raids by the end of the beta, but, maybe that's as much fun as DAoC's RvR. However, for some reason I have the feeling that it'll be instantly-fun and simplified, whereas DAoC's RvR is more satisfying on the long run.

I think that I'll persuade my buddy to play 'every now and then' with me on the WoW servers. Maybe we'll play 4 months a year with 1 to 2 months break in between. I don't see myself playing WoW as intensively and enjoying it as much as I did with DAoC when I started two years ago.

I also think that the real reason why people would leave DAOC and stay with WoW would be because they're bored of the 'same old thing' in DAoC. Fair enough, but I think that they'll find WoW not as interesting as they hoped, but they won't return to DAoC and they prefer the illusion of WoW being a lot better. Which is fair 'nuff. Either way, if people are leaving DAoC it's not because the other game is better, or seems better, it's just that for them DAoC is a 'finished' thing. Not much that Mythic can do about that, except bring out an add-on every now and then. I'd rather have them attract new players. Maybe steal a few WoW ones too ;-)

 

[Xeanor]

I'm no uber wow-fan or anything, I have a neutral view on both WoW and DAoC.

I've done WoW, and I can say that the PvE is fun. If you like Diablo 2, you'll like WoW. (imo)

Haven't done any PvP in WoW yet, but the PvE is enough to keep you busy for a long while, and it sure is fun to play.

(Anyone who has leveled Tablet of Atlantis in DAoC will know how FUCKING BORING the PvE is.... haven't stayed at 1 spot for more than 15 mins in WoW so far...)

 

[Dracus]

tablet is easy....croc tooth with no end regen is teh s00k or i havent found anywhere good yet >_<

/Dracus

 

[Morchaoron]

blah blah blah

thats all about the pve, but what about the pvp? ;o

personally, i find the engine far superior to that of daoc. The pve is much better because you can solo decently and dont have to run around looking for groups and ques for hours if you dont want to. The levelling is not as bad as the mindless daoc grinding (the only fun i had in grinding from 40 to 50 in daoc was the thought that i could do rvr after that, killing mobs at a camp doesnt get any more interesting after 1+ hour)

oh and it doesnt have /stick \o/

 

[Blitzing]

well i must say, the time i have played WoW, i have very much liked it. i have only just begun to see the pvp part of the game, cause i had to seek out new places to xp, and ended up in the pvp zones, and its pretty fun. though im only lvl 14 atm, so im not a very big impact in the battles, but its quite fun, when the enemy come to the towns, and we start to hunt them. and yes as some said, the quest system is very nicely done, and the xp is very good. but you can see that they have taken some stuff from other games, like the auction place, wich i like alot, its alot like the one i saw in the short period of time i played Swg. but like alot of people said, i think the game will die down abit after some time, but maybe wow will with time try to improve the pvp part, if they see that it is what people want.

 

[Indio]

Played WoW all weekend. OK its all very new, chars are different, PvP gameplay is totally different etc etc.

Mainly it was mayhem, full of noobs trying to level, craft and do quests, in fact it reminded me so much of the early days of DAOC.

I absolutely loved it, totally rekindled my interest in MMORPG's.

I for one will be migrating early before DAOC finally melts.

 

[snoz]

Daoc is pretty much dead on its feet without wow coming out. I think NF's will be the final nail.

Prydwen wise anyway.

I've quit the game now for 2 months and cant imagine ill play again now, im happy to be away from goa for one thing, never ever would they get a penny of my money again.

Wow wise like people have said its more fun because its new, whether it will turn out to be a good game or better then daoc is still yet to be seen, alot depends on how pvp is, and atm its very basic(no rewards etc) but according to forum posts by blizzard reps they have all that incoming , i personnely have faith in them, they show a huge amount of passion for anything they do, unlike some company's

I played the stress test some time ago and also the beta now, im not loving it .. i like it, some things about it, pve is certainly more fun, i like way all classes are viable and you dont need to have a certain setup to get good xp, i like the style of mobs and the gfx are nice also weapons and such.

Some downsides are how your charcter seems very limited, seems all warriors will be pretty much the same, theres no spec choices, there are talents which will make all slightly different, but talents are more like RVR rewards in daoc, yes they make a difference but not as much as specing certain lines do in daoc.

Anyway

Will wow kill daoc ?

Yes imo or atleast seriously nerf the player figures. NF's is going to kill the hardcore rvr players and wow is by far a better game pve wise for the roleplayer types

Is wow better then daoc ?

Not at moment but give it times im sure it can be when they build a solid pvp system into it.