Football World Cup 2014

[Calaen]

Doesn't his right leg hit the outstretched knee on the way past aswell?

Fact is he was fouled, especially in the first half.

The Mexicans tried to shut up shop and that was the mistake.

 

[Olgaline]

The more you look at this, the funnier it gets watching people try to defend him
http://gfycat.com/KnobbyHonestIriomotecat

 

[Olgaline]

Now that was a foul on campbell

 

[Calaen]

The more you look at this, the funnier it gets watching people try to defend him
http://gfycat.com/KnobbyHonestIriomotecat

That's not the only view available. From behind it more than justifies him going to ground. Whether he waves his arms or not.

 

[Olgaline]

Robben admits to diving?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/oranje/22797768/__Robben___Sorry_voor_schwalbe___.html

 

[Calaen]

Whether he agrees with me or not is irrelevant, contact was made, he fell over and the penalty was given no brainer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...ry-time-spot-kick-Holland-quarter-finals.html

So he didn't dive for the pen!

 

[soze]

Most people have a problem with the way he went down. I only wish the ref knowing his reputation for swan diving had not given it. That level of contact does not warrant that kind of fall.

 

[megadave]

fucking greece

 

[Olgaline]

So he didn't dive for the pen!

thanks for the link, but yes he did

 

[megadave]

so basically the majority of fouls these days are dives because players fall down dramatically when there's contact? someone's definition of diving needs revising.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yep olga seems to have a real issue with robben and is not presenting anything rational. For me a dive is where there is no contact, and the player tried to simulate a foul. Where there is contact our a foul then it's a fact of the modern game that players will make the most of it. It was bad defending to present an opposition player that advantage.

 

[Olgaline]

In association football (soccer), diving (simulation is the term used by FIFA, Schwalbe (German for swallow) is a popular term) is an attempt by a player to gain an unfair advantage by diving to the ground and possibly feigning an injury, to appear as if a foul has been committed. Dives are often used to exaggerate the amount of contact present in a challenge.

 

[Embattle]

Now I've realised that when Robben goes down on the pitch he is trying to do a tribute to Willem Defoe's performance in Platoon.

 

[Olgaline]

Yep olga seems to have a real issue with robben .

Not even close, but watching him throw himself to the ground continously until he gets the call is anoying to watch, especially comming from a player of his skill and tallent.
He has been great for BM - pictures showed he dived end of story really.

My mistake for not realising I was risking the rath of our own little local FH-Robben groupie union.
I might as well have accused Suarez of biting someone eh?

 

[Ch3tan]

It's not the end if because you think the pictures show one thing... you've ignored the people offering different angles and seem intent on the fact that he wasn't even fouled.

 

[megadave]

Players have to throw themselves down otherwise they won't get a foul. How many times have we seen players try and stay up but to stumble, miss the chance, and get nothing? A lot of players do it too theatrically but it doesn't mean they weren't fouled.

 

[megadave]

In association football (soccer), diving (simulation is the term used by FIFA, Schwalbe (German for swallow) is a popular term) is an attempt by a player to gain an unfair advantage by diving to the ground and possibly feigning an injury, to appear as if a foul has been committed. Dives are often used to exaggerate the amount of contact present in a challenge.

is that seriously a definition from wikipedia?

 

[ileks]

Robben is so fucking direct. He's a true big game player. I'd honestly rather have him over Messi or Ronaldo. Bayern wouldn't be half the team without him.

He's a diver, but that helps make him as dangerous as he is. Defenders know they have to get their tackles perfect or they're fucked.

edit - That said, tonight's pen wasn't a dive. He made the most of it though.

 

[CorNokZ]

is that seriously a definition from wikipedia?

But Wikipedia is the epi-centre of facts on the Internet? I don't see a problem with that quote?

 

[Olgaline]

The great thing about Wikipedia, is it's open to edit, if you believe you have a better or more correct definition by all means edit it and we'll see how long your interpritation lasts?

Fifa's own definition:
"attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have
been fouled (simulation)"

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

A Uefa ref definition:
"The following standard applies at all levels of the game: Simulation occurs when the player “attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled.” Whether the contact would or would not have caused the player to fall is relevant to a decision about a foul, but not to a decision about misconduct. In other words, the caution is for faking or exaggerating — where the faking is usually focused on whether a foul occurred whereas the exaggerating is often focused on whether a foul went beyond “careless” and should be carded. A player might well have been fouled (i. e., the contact did indeed unfairly cause him to fall), but if he then screams, moans, groans, rolls, etc. in an attempt to “sell” a card, then it is included as a cautionable offense. In all cases, we are punishing efforts to con the referee into a favorable decision — which could be to call a foul that wasn’t or to card for a true foul that didn’t involve misconduct. Of course no professional player would attempt to con the referee to gain a penalty kick from an opportunity that was clearly already lost, right?"

FH's soccer experts definiton
"Jumping to the ground with no contact what so ever..."

 

[Olgaline]

For me a dive is where there is no contact, and the player tried to simulate a foul. Where there is contact our a foul then it's a fact of the modern game that players will make the most of it. It was bad defending to present an opposition player that advantage.

Fair enough,(I actually missed this part) but I do not think Fifa or Uafa would agree with that definition. keep in mind that not all contact is nessersarily ilegal contact, and hence "simulation/exaggerating" wich imo is very much the case, in this case anyway.
And that people seem to be blatanty ignoring that robben himself admits to diving during the game..?

 

[Olgaline]

is that seriously a definition from wikipedia?

want to discredit it? offer an ulternative definition, infact why not submit one your self to wiki if you disagree?
Atempting to redicule instead offering an ulternative is such a sorry "failure" form of argumentation

 

[Calaen]

Haha Greece

 

[Calaen]

They just don't give up at all.

 

[Billargh]

Greece man, hahaha

 

[ileks]

 

[Lakih]

Fucking Greece

 

[Ch3tan]

Arggghhh, pressed cash out for ten quid profit and they scored and suspended the market as it was processing. Danm Greece.

 

[Calaen]

Unlucky!

 

[Olgaline]

Costa Rica Keeper playing with fire?