Football World Cup 2010.

[Scouse]

This is why we are shit as a nation of supporters. We take our best players, and instead of supporting them, we call them shit.

Nah. We're shit because of that wanky fucking drum band shit.

 

[DaGaffer]

Ah right so we are taking people who were good a year ago? Sounds like an awesome plan, if thats how its done Jagealka (god how do you spell his name?) should be going as well. Rio *used* to be good, he isn't anymore, certainly not world class by a long shot. I mean come on, fucking Carrick after his season? Or is he going because he was also good a year ago?

Hold on, you were saying Rio has been shit for years. I showed that's flat wrong. As for his current form, in the games he's played, he's been fine, and is still the first choice CB for the team with the lowest goals against in England this season. I don't disagree about Carrick at all btw, except with Barry partially fit the cupboard is pretty bare in the DM slots.

So basically you are saying we are taking him because there is no one else, thats utter bollocks my friend. We are taking him and taking him as captain, thats the joke. I don't watch every game so I don't know who else there is, thats not my job, its the job of the coaches but I reckon out of all the teams that play and are watched there is 10 better people to take instead of Rio.

Name two.

Like I said, Man Utd supporters will always blindly defend the decision, its a shame they aren't more realistic like the Arsenal fans who agree that Theo shouldn't of gone (according to Talk Sport).

Like I said, I'm not letting my team affiliation blind me to Carrick's flaws, I just think you're totally wrong about Ferdinand in pure footballing terms.

 

[Ch3tan]

And are unable to name a better CB to replace him.......

 

[ST^]

Sol Campbell

 

[Calaen]

Upson over Dawson. You're right about Johnson over SWP but SWP can play both sides well. Carrick (as much as I hate him) over Parker/Huddlestone. Warnock over Baines (who shot himself in the foot by being shit and then publicly admitting he was worrying about being homesick) and Defoe over Bent (definately, and I'm no Defoe fan).

So. Apart from the possible Johnson/SWP thang (and the fact that I'd flip a coin for Dawson/Upson as I think they're both a bit poo) we think the exact opposite there

Erm Johnson can play on both side and be effective with both feet. SWp aint good with either, but he's really fast. We might as well have took Darren Campbell!

 

[Calaen]

Sol Campbell

Campbell should have been given his chance in the friendlies over daswson and upson, He's been fucking solid for the last 4 months at Arsenal.

 

[megadave]

We really could have done with a couple more friendlies to be honest.

 

[Tahgut]

The Americans will shock the world.

 

[Talivar]

I got a feeling USA will do well

 

[Wazzerphuk]

The Americans will shock the world.

They won't shock many people, they're considered a very good team and their showing in the Confed Cup proved it, beating Spain and nearly beating Brazil in the final. They have some good players and work very well as a unit. This isn't 1994 anymore.

 

[Trem]

Hold on, you were saying Rio has been shit for years. I showed that's flat wrong. As for his current form, in the games he's played, he's been fine, and is still the first choice CB for the team with the lowest goals against in England this season. I don't disagree about Carrick at all btw, except with Barry partially fit the cupboard is pretty bare in the DM slots.

You were the one who said he was good the season before last my friend not me, read my post I said "he *used* to be good". Actually take away Vidic and Rio is very average indeed, Vidic is an awesome defender.

2 CB = Michael Dawson, Ryan Shawcross (Shawcross is not world class but he's better than Rio going off the previous season). If you will argue about the experience thing then as Cal said Sol is better than Rio at the minute.

And are unable to name a better CB to replace him.......

See above.

Next question?

 

[Ch3tan]

You were the one who said he was good the season before last my friend not me, read my post I said "he *used* to be good". Actually take away Vidic and Rio is very average indeed, Vidic is an awesome defender.

2 CB = Michael Dawson, Ryan Shawcross (Shawcross is not world class but he's better than Rio going off the previous season). If you will argue about the experience thing then as Cal said Sol is better than Rio at the minute.



See above.

Next question?

Dawson better than Ferdinand? LOL, jesus wept. And Shawcross was okay, he's not ready to be a CB in the senior squad, he may be if he carries ont he way he is going. Experience is a big part of being a defender, none of those you mentioned have the technical ability or experience to replace Rio.

So you'd honestly have a CB pairing of Dawson and Shawcross over Ferdinand and Terry? Brilliant, we should make you manager, then no one would be surprised when we flop.

edit:// also when fit this season, Rio was playing great. If he is fit now then he is no worse than last season. If you've not watched every game he's played this season then you really should go and watch some highlights before making such ridiculous claims.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

On current form Dawson has been better. Capello always claimed he picked squads on form.

He lied.

But yes, Dawson would get shown up horribly against class opposition.

 

[Trem]

Dawson better than Ferdinand? LOL, jesus wept. And Shawcross was okay, he's not ready to be a CB in the senior squad, he may be if he carries ont he way he is going. Experience is a big part of being a defender, none of those you mentioned have the technical ability or experience to replace Rio.

So you'd honestly have a CB pairing of Dawson and Shawcross over Ferdinand and Terry? Brilliant, we should make you manager, then no one would be surprised when we flop.

edit:// also when fit this season, Rio was playing great. If he is fit now then he is no worse than last season. If you've not watched every game he's played this season then you really should go and watch some highlights before making such ridiculous claims.

Erm no, I would have Dawson instead of Rio, or Shawcross instead of Rio or Sol instead of Rio. Stop adding things to what I say, you asked me to name some other CB's and I have and Dawson is absolutely head and shoulders above Ferdinand judging on this seasons performances. Anyone who denies that is slightly mental and I would like to know which players they/you have been watching.

Like Wazz said Capello said he picked players in form and he hasn't, he has picked a bunch of (for the most part) injured/rubbish players. Gareth Barry ffs, he may not even get to play if we get knocked out of last 16.

Rooney has been amazing for 2 thirds of the season but has dropped right off towards the end, carrying an injury maybe but if Rooney does nothing we do nothing.

Actually you should be the manager because you would of done the same as Capello, pick has beens and crocked players who WILL crash and burn as soon as we play anyone decent.

Name one game where Ferdinand was "great" please.

 

[Ch3tan]

I asked you twice to name replacements, the first time I asked you to name replacements for both, as you questioned the selection of both.

You are right I wouldn't have done too differently to Capello. You have to pick the best players you have, and in defence he has.

Also, Barry; Capello stated on live TV that he would only take Barry if the physios said he would be fit in time for the second game. They had him in for medicals all day Mon and Tues to make sure he was able. So I don't know where you've got this last 16 bollocks from.

 

[DaGaffer]

You were the one who said he was good the season before last my friend not me, read my post I said "he *used* to be good". Actually take away Vidic and Rio is very average indeed, Vidic is an awesome defender.

No, you said:

he used to be good (at Leeds and early Man Utd)

One year ago isn't "early Man Utd". One year ago he was in the best CB partnership in the world, therefore you're wrong. Q.E fuckin D. And Ferdinand was/is in no way carried by Vidic. In fact in the only game where United got things dramatically wrong, it was Vidic, not Ferdinand, who got repeatedly skinned by Torres.

2 CB = Michael Dawson, Ryan Shawcross (Shawcross is not world class but he's better than Rio going off the previous season). If you will argue about the experience thing then as Cal said Sol is better than Rio at the minute.

See above.

Next question?

Neither are close, you could make an argument on form, for Dawson over Upson or Carragher, but not Ferdinand or Terry. And Shawcross is miles off. When it comes to central defence in a knockout competition, experience trumps youth every time. Shawcross just isn't experienced enough and doesn't really offer the one benefit of youth which is mobility; I watched the United v Stoke game at the end of the season and even Darren Fletcher made him and Huth look like they'd grown roots, and Rooney (still unfit) just embarrassed him.

 

[Turamber]

I think, for the most part, Capello has chosen the best players he could. It is disappointing our defence isn't better but failing some Italian chap finding he had a granny from Surrey I'm not sure what he can do really :S

There are only a few squad players I would exchange for others (Ashley Young for SWP for one) and I'm a bit underwhelmed he took Warnock but never even played him in a friendly, but for the most part the squad is about right.

 

[rynnor]

Personally I think it was a mistake to take Barry.

If he was fit there would be no question but I dont think hes the kind of player you can just sub in for the last 20 mins of a game.

He doesnt make that kind of impact - we need him for a full game but to play your first full game after a nasty injury as an important world cup game is asking too much of him.

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC Sport - Football - World Cup 2010: England announce squad numbers

James, Crouch and Cole all got first 11 squad numbers.

 

[Jupitus]

I'm about to create a new infraction named 'arguing with Tremmybabes'... you can't argue with Trem because he is a GOD!

Oh, and he supports Leeds like me

:kissit:

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh, and he supports Leeds like me

:kissit:

So just like you, Trem is never right? God like in his ignorance.

 

[Jupitus]

Take that!!!

 

[Ch3tan]

Take that!!!

An infraction for saying Leeds fans are wrong? Hell, how many infractions would I get if I told all the facts about Leeds fans?

 

[Turamber]

BBC Sport - Football - World Cup 2010: England announce squad numbers

James, Crouch and Cole all got first 11 squad numbers.

Doesn't mean a thang though, with or without swing.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yeah, but it's something to talk about

I still think Hart is more likely to be our starting keeper. As for Crouch and heskey, it depends entirely on the formation and opposition.

 

[Trem]

I'm about to create a new infraction named 'arguing with Tremmybabes'... you can't argue with Trem because he is a GOD!

Oh, and he supports Leeds like me

:kissit:

Jup is clearly right and possibly a sexy mother fucker.

An infraction for saying Leeds fans are wrong? Hell, how many infractions would I get if I told all the facts about Leeds fans?

Yeah, but it's something to talk about

I still think Hart is more likely to be our starting keeper. As for Crouch and heskey, it depends entirely on the formation and opposition.

I really hope Hart gets to start, he is possibly one of the top 3 keepers in Europe at the minute, he so deserves to. When he plays I feel safe, he has authority way beyond his age and some of the saves he pulls off are sublime.

I would put money on Green/James being the main 2 though tbh.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Personally I think it was a mistake to take Barry.

I didn't realise it was already over!

 

[rynnor]

I didn't realise it was already over!

Huh - are you a 2nd languange english speaker then?

I used past tense because his decision to take Barry was made in the past.

Edit -uh-oh there goes Rio.

 

[rynnor]

BBC Sport - Football - World Cup 2010: Rio Ferdinand injury blow for England

Who can we use to fill in for Rio if its serious?

 

[DaGaffer]

BBC Sport - Football - World Cup 2010: Rio Ferdinand injury blow for England

Who can we use to fill in for Rio if its serious?

If he's out for the duration then I think they can still get Dawson out to South Africa; so long as its before the tournament proper starts I think that's allowed. In which case it will probably Carragher as first choice CB.