Football World Cup 2010.

[Scouse]

Heskey couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, which is a bit of a poor thing from a striker, but the rest of his game is class A.

Still. I'd play rooney and gerrard up front (ish).

 

[georgie]

What if Rooney gets injured?

Or if he gets sent off.

I got a quid at 6/1.

 

[Turamber]

Carlton Cole played half a good season for West Ham. Unfortunately it was the first half of the season, he's been pish since January. Darren Bent is a good premier league forward but without the ball over the top to run onto he looks very ordinary in an England shirt.

 

[megadave]

Heskey couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, which is a bit of a poor thing from a striker, but the rest of his game is class A.

All he can do is hold the ball up and he's not even great at that.

 

[Scouse]

All he can do is hold the ball up and he's not even great at that.

Not true. He creates an amazing amount of space for other players, holds the ball up well and gets good knock-ons etc.

Personally, I wouldn't play him ahead of Crouch tho. Maybe ahead of Defoe. As far as I'm concerned it's a worrying thing to take a striker who can't score - but there's a lot of managers who have confidence in him.

 

[Calaen]

Carlton Cole played half a good season for West Ham. Unfortunately it was the first half of the season, he's been pish since January. Darren Bent is a good premier league forward but without the ball over the top to run onto he looks very ordinary in an England shirt.

England don't play any other way, they can't pass for shit, they retain diarrhea better than they do the ball. Bent should be there based on his ability to play up front on his own when Rooney gets Injured, because the rest of them are fucking balls.

Have you seen the Pringles advert?? Crouch taking a free kick are you fucking kidding me, when he actually gets round to kicking the ball he looks like a fucking ballerina reliving swan fucking lake.

No respect for Capello anymore, he's gone back on everything he said when he got the job, we rarely keep a clean sheet, and the squad is filled with sup par replacements.

fucking Pringles...

 

[Turamber]

England don't play any other way

We very rarely play with a ball over the top :S We generally play looking for a flick on to Rooney. We tried something new in the last two games using Rooney as the targetman: it failed, it is a waste of his talents and a perfect use of Heskey's. Crouch can do the job if Heskey's form or fitness suffers, his recovery time between games being his biggest weakness imho.

If England are going to get anywhere in the competition they need their big players (Rooney, Gerard and Lampard) to stay fit. Without Rooney we'd win nothing anyway, so why include somebody on that basis?

Agbonlahor would have been a better option for a lone striker, he plays that role very well. Plus he is pretty decent on right wing if all else fails.

 

[rynnor]

Without Rooney we'd win nothing anyway, so why include somebody on that basis?

I hear that a lot but personally I dont believe it - I think the key will be midfield.

We have many players who can score goals but at the top level its about posession - if you constantly give it away you will get punished.

The hype around Rooney is getting silly.

 

[DaGaffer]

I hear that a lot but personally I dont believe it - I think the key will be midfield.

We have many players who can score goals but at the top level its about posession - if you constantly give it away you will get punished.

The hype around Rooney is getting silly.

I present to you...Inter Milan. There's more to the game than pretty possession football, ask Arsenal.

 

[Calaen]

We very rarely play with a ball over the top :S We generally play looking for a flick on to Rooney. We tried something new in the last two games using Rooney as the targetman: it failed, it is a waste of his talents and a perfect use of Heskey's. Crouch can do the job if Heskey's form or fitness suffers, his recovery time between games being his biggest weakness imho.

If England are going to get anywhere in the competition they need their big players (Rooney, Gerard and Lampard) to stay fit. Without Rooney we'd win nothing anyway, so why include somebody on that basis?

Agbonlahor would have been a better option for a lone striker, he plays that role very well. Plus he is pretty decent on right wing if all else fails.

I disagree Dareen Bent has prveon time and time again on his own up fornt he can score goals against the best defence the league has to offer.

However putting the guy upfront and then sticking Tom "i'm not really a footballer" Huddlestone in centre midfield along with another 3 donkeys does not really help the lad. He got shit all service against Japan, and shit all service against Brazil

 

[rynnor]

I present to you...Inter Milan. There's more to the game than pretty possession football, ask Arsenal.

You think England have an Inter Milan quality defence then? Otherwise they are f00ked

 

[Calaen]

You think England have an Inter Milan quality defence then? Otherwise they are f00ked

Ability wise yes they do, discipline wise no.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Inter Milan's strengths come from having some very skilled, very determined, positionally aware and highly disciplined DMs.

Something England does not have at all, so attempting to recreate that style of football would be akin to suicide.

Just because one team has success with a certain style doesn't mean we should adopt it. We have to work with what we've got. Like has been said above, we're not going to start playing like Barcelona or Arsenal as we can't pass, keep possession and work attacks well. The same goes for Inter's style, we simply don't have what's required to emulate their European tactics.

 

[rynnor]

Look at how soft that corner in the last game was - the whole defense was convinced the ball would be played into the box lol.

The lack of clean sheets is the real issue not whether Rooney is present or not.

We will beat the crap sides and get put out by the good sides.

 

[Aoami]

Crouch scores a lot more goals for england than rooney does. What Rooney does do though is bring that extra bit of effort to track back etc, thats what makes him vital to our team, or though it is infuriating sometimes when you see him in centre midfield when we're attacking.

 

[DaGaffer]

Inter Milan's strengths come from having some very skilled, very determined, positionally aware and highly disciplined DMs.

Something England does not have at all, so attempting to recreate that style of football would be akin to suicide.

Just because one team has success with a certain style doesn't mean we should adopt it. We have to work with what we've got. Like has been said above, we're not going to start playing like Barcelona or Arsenal as we can't pass, keep possession and work attacks well. The same goes for Inter's style, we simply don't have what's required to emulate their European tactics.

Well we've got a damn sight better chance of emulating Inter than we do Barcelona; man for man we have a defence as good as Inter's, and we actually have a manager who's a lot more Mourinho than Guardiola.

You're quite right though; the problem whether you're playing break or possession football is the ability of your holding midfield players, which for us is a badly out of form Carrick and a crocked Barry (and I wouldn't rate either as toprank in the first place), and the Brazils or Argentinas of this world will go through them like shit through a goose. Hell, it won't take Kaka or Messi to do that, Landon Donovan could be enough, and given how slowly England always start at the group stage, I can see the USA turning us over. I look forward to eating my words on June 12th (especially as I'll be surrounded by a bunch of Irishmen shouting "USA! USA! USA!")

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Mark my words England v USA will be 2-2.

 

[Trem]

Lol @ our defence being good, Ferdinand is a fucking donkey, he's the captain for gods sake and he is not even worthy of being in the squad.

 

[Calaen]

Best footballing centre half England have by a country mile though.

 

[Marc]

Best footballing centre half England have by a country mile though.

Poor mans Pique

 

[ST^]

Lol @ our defence being good, Ferdinand is a fucking donkey, he's the captain for gods sake and he is not even worthy of being in the squad.

Ferdinand isn't even the one I worry so much about. How the fuck is John Terry still an automatic choice and somehow regarded as one of the world's best defenders? Put him up against anyone with an ounce of pace and all he can do is foul them.

 

[Trem]

Best footballing centre half England have by a country mile though.

Yeah I guessed the Man Utd supporters would blindly defend him, he is a pile of shit, he used to be good (at Leeds and early Man Utd) but fuck me if you think he is world class you need your head looking at.

All will be revealed in just over a weeks time.

As ST also said how is JT still in the squad?

Trust me, we are going to crash and burn as soon as we play anyone half decent......and I wouldn't bet against the USA beating us either.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yeah I guessed the Man Utd supporters would blindly defend him, he is a pile of shit, he used to be good (at Leeds and early Man Utd) but fuck me if you think he is world class you need your head looking at.

All will be revealed in just over a weeks time.

As ST also said how is JT still in the squad?

Trust me, we are going to crash and burn as soon as we play anyone half decent......and I wouldn't bet against the USA beating us either.

Sorry Trem, but that's just total bollocks. Rio has had an injury plagued season and the back thing is a worry, but the season before speaks for itself, him and Vidic, with the exception of that bloody Liverpool game, were the best CB paring in the world that season, never mind the Prem. And much as I loathe Terry, he played almost every game for Chelsea last season and only United (bizarrely given their injuries) conceded fewer goals. He's not shit. A total tool, but not a shit footballer.

 

[Ch3tan]

Trem stick to DIY, you clearly have far more knowledge of it than football.

Please tell us who Capello should have taken? As far as I can see the only contentious decisions he has really made are over Walcott and Johnson and Hesky/ Bent. The rest of the squad is right, we don't have better players in those positions than those that have gone.

edit:// This post applies to Calean as well, as he has been whining like a woman over Capello.

 

[Calaen]

I agree Ch3t I would not have taken Upson and went with 5 strikers and took Bent and Heskey. No one can deny what Heskey brings.

But if Rooney gets injured we got no like for like replacement now.


@ Trem nowt to do with supporting United there aint no better english centre halfs around.

 

[Marc]

I agree Ch3t I would not have taken Upson and went with 5 strikers and took Bent and Heskey. No one can deny what Heskey brings.

But if Rooney gets injured we got no like for like replacement now.


@ Trem nowt to do with supporting United there aint no better english centre halfs around.

Jagielka would have been there had he not been injured for most of the season imo

 

[megadave]

Trem stick to DIY, you clearly have far more knowledge of it than football.

Please tell us who Capello should have taken? As far as I can see the only contentious decisions he has really made are over Walcott and Johnson and Hesky/ Bent. The rest of the squad is right, we don't have better players in those positions than those that have gone.

edit:// This post applies to Calean as well, as he has been whining like a woman over Capello.

Dawson over Upson, Johnson over SWP, Parker/Huddlestone over Carrick, Baines over Warnock, Bent over Defoe. All of these players were on better form, although obviously Capello didn't even bother giving some of them a try at all.

 

[Trem]

Sorry Trem, but that's just total bollocks. Rio has had an injury plagued season and the back thing is a worry, but the season before speaks for itself, him and Vidic, with the exception of that bloody Liverpool game, were the best CB paring in the world that season, never mind the Prem. And much as I loathe Terry, he played almost every game for Chelsea last season and only United (bizarrely given their injuries) conceded fewer goals. He's not shit. A total tool, but not a shit footballer.

Ah right so we are taking people who were good a year ago? Sounds like an awesome plan, if thats how its done Jagealka (god how do you spell his name?) should be going as well. Rio *used* to be good, he isn't anymore, certainly not world class by a long shot. I mean come on, fucking Carrick after his season? Or is he going because he was also good a year ago?

Trem stick to DIY, you clearly have far more knowledge of it than football.

Please tell us who Capello should have taken? As far as I can see the only contentious decisions he has really made are over Walcott and Johnson and Hesky/ Bent. The rest of the squad is right, we don't have better players in those positions than those that have gone.

So basically you are saying we are taking him because there is no one else, thats utter bollocks my friend. We are taking him and taking him as captain, thats the joke. I don't watch every game so I don't know who else there is, thats not my job, its the job of the coaches but I reckon out of all the teams that play and are watched there is 10 better people to take instead of Rio.


Like I said, Man Utd supporters will always blindly defend the decision, its a shame they aren't more realistic like the Arsenal fans who agree that Theo shouldn't of gone (according to Talk Sport).

Dawson over Upson, Johnson over SWP, Parker/Huddlestone over Carrick, Baines over Warnock, Bent over Defoe. All of these players were on better form, although obviously Capello didn't even bother giving some of them a try at all.

100% spot on.

 

[Ch3tan]

You'll notice all of aoln's changes where to fringe players Trem, no alternative for Rio or JT.

You've admitted you don't watch enough yet you criticise rio based on an injured season? Carragher is past his prime, Upson and Dawson are no where near good enough to play in a main pairing, King could replace either Rio or JT, but can't play two matches in a row.

This is why we are shit as a nation of supporters. We take our best players, and instead of supporting them, we call them shit.



Aoln: All fringe players, I only agree with Johnson btw, Dawson had a better season, but Upson is still a better player. Parker should have been in the squad on merit, but not over Carrick. Huddlestone is not good enough.

 

[Scouse]

Dawson over Upson, Johnson over SWP, Parker/Huddlestone over Carrick, Baines over Warnock, Bent over Defoe. All of these players were on better form, although obviously Capello didn't even bother giving some of them a try at all.

Upson over Dawson. You're right about Johnson over SWP but SWP can play both sides well. Carrick (as much as I hate him) over Parker/Huddlestone. Warnock over Baines (who shot himself in the foot by being shit and then publicly admitting he was worrying about being homesick) and Defoe over Bent (definately, and I'm no Defoe fan).

So. Apart from the possible Johnson/SWP thang (and the fact that I'd flip a coin for Dawson/Upson as I think they're both a bit poo) we think the exact opposite there