Says the Sorcerer.Ogen said:Or! Why is mid the only realm who gets a 2.5 speed spec nuke? Wich ontop is a 186 delve laiftap?![]()
Typical shitshorc.
Says the Sorcerer.Ogen said:Or! Why is mid the only realm who gets a 2.5 speed spec nuke? Wich ontop is a 186 delve laiftap?![]()
Orly. Do you even know the difference between spec and base nukes?Belomar said:Says the Sorcerer.May I remind you that your own baseline lifetap is 179 delve, and the very fact that it is baseline allows you to spec for things that make you the true Swiss Army Knives of DAoC?
Typical shitshorc.
Hmm.. I don't remember reading about the new NS classes for Alb and Hib in 1.79 when Mid gets the petspam equivalent.Guindor said:they will give the others a second class with NS when mid get a pet spam class so we can farm i.e ml10 with a fg ( !!!) and not 30+ ffs
chretien said:Why is the Wizard the only list caster (apart from necro who doesn't need it) not to get a bladeturn?
Vladamir said:Erm, wizard's do get a bladeturn?
I meant those other wizards, the ones without bladeturn. *koff*Vladamir said:Erm, wizard's do get a bladeturn?
Let's be reasonable here, that's an extremely general statement and you know it. While Mid support is superior (although the development from four to three Seers in modern Mid groups has arguably affected their robustness, albeit vastly improved their damage output), you are going too far with the "best casters" and the "best melee" bits. I frankly expected a more nuanced view from an experienced player such as yourself, Puppet. Midgard FGs have a small edge on enemy FGs in 8 vs 8 RvR, but that's it. Claiming otherwise is just an exercise in self-deception.Puppet said:Just face it, Midgard has the best support, the best casters and the best melee.
Well, if you talk about real charm alb dosent have it on a caster either, We get a pet control buff, highest lvl50 mops. But wouldnt you rather have a perma BG pet?chretien said:Why is the Wizard the only list caster (apart from necro who doesn't need it) not to get a bladeturn?
Why does Hib have castable nukes on an assassin?
Why don't Mid get charm on a caster class?
Big secret below! Prepare for a shock!
Because all the realms are supposed to be different!
Vladamir said:Erm, wizard's do get a bladeturn?
Javai said:I find it stranger that Mids have two spread heal classes, one of whom can do it without using power.
Puppet said:Just face it, Midgard has the best support, the best casters and the best melee.
Keep-issues for Midgard where fixed with warlocks, high-end PvE was fixed with Valk + Thane 'I count now for XX more players'-buff.
Svartmetall said:Somehow, I'm not surprised that you have no Mid characters in your sig if you can come out with statements of magnificent ignorance like this.
Svartmetall said:Somehow, I'm not surprised that you have no Mid characters in your sig if you can come out with statements of magnificent ignorance like this.
Best support class: Healer. Three useful spec lines unlike Clerics who get two and Druid who only spec 2. Shaman means that most Mid groups have buff shears without sacrificing healing efficiency which alb or Hib would need to do.Svartmetall said:Somehow, I'm not surprised that you have no Mid characters in your sig if you can come out with statements of magnificent ignorance like this.
chretien said:Best support class: Healer. Three useful spec lines unlike Clerics who get two and Druid who only spec 2. Shaman means that most Mid groups have buff shears without sacrificing healing efficiency which alb or Hib would need to do.
Best casters. RM is probably the best damage caster although it's close with the Eldritch.
Spiritmaster is the best utility caster by far. Warlocks are just silly and I don't think I need to go into that particular can of worms. BD s the most survivable caster and one of the best visible classes for soloing with. Unlike Sorcs, they don't need to wait till RR5 for their survival tools - Healing pets and insta 4s lifetap.
Best tanks. Trolls for damage and Kobbies for defence give Warriors both ends of the spectrum and Mid weaponskills give them more individual flexibility than other realms. Zerkers are once again the best light tank after Savages got toned down.
You keep going on about Sorcs and how they'd have been nerfed to hell if they were a Mid class, but honestly, if they were a Mid class no-one would play them. BD is a better LT and pet class, Pac Healers are far better CCers and SM is a better utility caster with PBAoE and an intercepting pet. The only thing that made Sorcs harder to kill than any other MoC+LT class got fixed. SoI is nice but 90% melee immunity isn't 90% interruption immunity (which SMs [i[do[/i] get on a good intercepting day) without MoC.
The only area where Mids can really complain about classes being below par is in stealth. For someone who's never really played anywhere other than Mid, you can't really see it from the other side. I'd love you to run as a Merc in a decent Alb group and meet BDs, Warlocks, SMs and Zerkers from the other side of the fence.
chretien said:Best support class: Healer. Three useful spec lines unlike Clerics who get two and Druid who only spec 2. Shaman means that most Mid groups have buff shears without sacrificing healing efficiency which alb or Hib would need to do.
Best casters. RM is probably the best damage caster although it's close with the Eldritch.
Spiritmaster is the best utility caster by far. Warlocks are just silly and I don't think I need to go into that particular can of worms. BD s the most survivable caster and one of the best visible classes for soloing with. Unlike Sorcs, they don't need to wait till RR5 for their survival tools - Healing pets and insta 4s lifetap.
Best tanks. Trolls for damage and Kobbies for defence give Warriors both ends of the spectrum and Mid weaponskills give them more individual flexibility than other realms. Zerkers are once again the best light tank after Savages got toned down.
You keep going on about Sorcs and how they'd have been nerfed to hell if they were a Mid class, but honestly, if they were a Mid class no-one would play them. BD is a better LT and pet class, Pac Healers are far better CCers and SM is a better utility caster with PBAoE and an intercepting pet. The only thing that made Sorcs harder to kill than any other MoC+LT class got fixed. SoI is nice but 90% melee immunity isn't 90% interruption immunity (which SMs [i[do[/i] get on a good intercepting day) without MoC.
The only area where Mids can really complain about classes being below par is in stealth. For someone who's never really played anywhere other than Mid, you can't really see it from the other side. I'd love you to run as a Merc in a decent Alb group and meet BDs, Warlocks, SMs and Zerkers from the other side of the fence.
I have played Mid. I've played with and against Mid classes and if you think that what I said about RMs is a whine then I don't know why you're commenting on a post you clearly didn't understand.remi said:soo, your just another one of those who never played mid, right? xD
edit: and did i see a rm whine? rofl
chretien said:I have played Mid. I've played with and against Mid classes and if you think that what I said about RMs is a whine then I don't know why you're commenting on a post you clearly didn't understand.
All decent Alb and Hib groups will have access to shearers--the fact that, as you claim, both Hib and Alb primary healers only have two viable spec lines means that they will also have specced in both of those lines. However, it's not Midgard's fault if you don't know how to use your shears.chretien said:Shaman means that most Mid groups have buff shears without sacrificing healing efficiency which alb or Hib would need to do.
Yeah, right. If we're talking pure damage (you don't specify), (Dark) RMs have a 219 delve 2.8 sec nuke (1 bolt), Light Eldritches have a 209 delve 2.8 sec nuke (1 bolt), Fire Wizards have a 219 delve 2.8 sec nuke (plus 2 specced bolts), and Bainshees have a 223 delve 2.8 sec (base) nuke. Where is the difference? If we're talking utility, Light Eldritches are superior, in that they will have red NS, low AE disease, AE dex/qui debuff, and even AE mezz. Don't get me started on Bainshees. I'm sorry, but once again you don't know what you are talking about.chretien said:Best casters. RM is probably the best damage caster although it's close with the Eldritch.
Care to explain why? Only someone who has played Albion his whole DAoC career could blatantly overlook Sorcerers in this way. I'm sorry, but there is only one true Swiss Army Knife caster in DAoC, and that is Sorcerers. Claiming otherwise is quite frankly horseshit.chretien said:Spiritmaster is the best utility caster by far.
Kobbies for defence? If you want defence, you could roll a Saracen Armsman or maybe even Paladin and have just as good defence, if not better--Saracen starting dexterity is 80, to compare with 70 dexterity for Kobolds. Can you please check your facts before you post more crap?chretien said:Best tanks. Trolls for damage and Kobbies for defence give Warriors both ends of the spectrum and Mid weaponskills give them more individual flexibility than other realms.
Care to back this up with some facts? Berserkers have very low utility in their style lines and no access to stun. Mercenaries have better defense (chain) than both, and crush Mercs get a stun chain. I'd personally go with Blademasters being the best light tank in the game, simply for the utility and damage of their styles.chretien said:Zerkers are once again the best light tank after Savages got toned down.
Wow, is there no end to your uninformed whining? Sorcerers is arguably the most powerful class in the game, simply due to a combination of abilities that have a huge impact on Albion as a realm.chretien said:You keep going on about Sorcs and how they'd have been nerfed to hell if they were a Mid class, but honestly, if they were a Mid class no-one would play them. BD is a better LT and pet class, Pac Healers are far better CCers and SM is a better utility caster with PBAoE and an intercepting pet.
What is there to understand? It's not as if you present any arguments supporting your claim, you just make a statement with no backing material whatsoever.chretien said:I've played with and against Mid classes and if you think that what I said about RMs is a whine then I don't know why you're commenting on a post you clearly didn't understand.
Belomar said:I suggest you do some decent L50 RvR in the other realms before you continue embarrassing yourself with more clueless whine. Play in a FG in all three realms and you will be in a better position arguing about the relative strengths and weaknesses of the realms.
Belomar said:Wow, that's an amazing amount of garbage unloaded in one go.
All decent Alb and Hib groups will have access to shearers--the fact that, as you claim, both Hib and Alb primary healers only have two viable spec lines means that they will also have specced in both of those lines. However, it's not Midgard's fault if you don't know how to use your shears.
Yeah, right. If we're talking pure damage (you don't specify), (Dark) RMs have a 219 delve 2.8 sec nuke (1 bolt), Light Eldritches have a 209 delve 2.8 sec nuke (1 bolt), Fire Wizards have a 219 delve 2.8 sec nuke (plus 2 specced bolts), and Bainshees have a 223 delve 2.8 sec (base) nuke. Where is the difference? If we're talking utility, Light Eldritches are superior, in that they will have red NS, low AE disease, AE dex/qui debuff, and even AE mezz.
there is only one true Swiss Army Knife caster in DAoC, and that is Sorcerers. Claiming otherwise is quite frankly horseshit.
The BD lifetap, albeit instant, is 123 delve, but on a 4 second timer, meaning that is is actually 123/4 = ~31 DPS. By the same reckoning, Sorcerer DPS is 179/2.5 = ~72.
And what the fuck are you on about PBAE and SMs, the Spiritmaster you are talking about needs 2.0 spec points to have both the uber lifetaps (good spec LT damage) or the PBAE (crappy baseline non-LT damage).
Why not? That's what chretien did in the first place.Flimgoblin said:Why's this? elaborate on your point. You can't go dismissing someone's entire argument with "that's bull coz I say so".
Yes, but what I responded to was chretien's claim of BDs being a superior LT caster than Sorcerers, which I don't agree with for the reasons outlined above. Better survivability, yes, I agree, and comparing the two classes outright is not fair either.Flimgoblin said:and you can cast at the same time as using it, while spamming banelord interrupts - joy! as far as survivability goes a bonedancer far surpasses a sorc.