Why I'm leaving mid

[old.Atrox]

The oh so lovely Lair list.
first off the list is for persons that gonna join the existing group.
If the list holder gets enough names on it he will/should pass on this info to some 1 on the list to start a second group, so the list is not about who can xp tehre or not, it's about spots in the existing group.

Being the list holder is a pain in the arse, you are responseable for the groups wellfare, and at the same time keep the list fair, almost impossible job to do.

I know the Lair is a pain and the list is even worse.
but after all it's worth the shite..

Scooby what lvl are you ?
If your still around pm me ingame, and I'll show you some solo spots that I used to get to "Malmo lvl".

Im on as either Beldaran or Atrox

 

[infozwerg]

When will ppl realise that "doing more damage than tanks" is not a qualification?

Face it: you suck in groups. groups dont need you. groups dont want you. you get in groups not because you are usefull but because ppl want to fill up spots or pity you.

You think thats mean/unfair/whatever? stop whining and live with it. if you cant cope, roll a class thats useful for pve like any healing/mezzing/tanking class or bladeturn spammer.

and forget that stupid argument about "i will be useful later in rvr". get real. you will be powerful and have fun, but you wont be useful. you wont give me realmpoints after i leveled you from 45-50, you will solo and get the rp for yourself. and then you go and whine at me to ress you. guess what? im not coming.

i can tell you im SO sick of whining rogues.

 

[Haldar]

see no problems, fellow rogues! yes we bleed our way thru lvls, but we will have most fun and earn most rp's in rvr.

and btw, if we dont get in groups we still can leech all we can. and no one can stop us....except our honor.

 

[old.Scooby]

Originally posted by infozwerg
You think thats mean/unfair/whatever? stop whining and live with it. if you cant cope, roll a class thats useful for pve like any healing/mezzing/tanking class or bladeturn spammer.

We shouldn't have to live with it. WTF is the point in the game having rogue classes if they are no use to groups? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't groups have 1-2 main damage taking tanks? the rest of the group, theoretically, shouldn't get hit? Thus surely it wouldn't matter what class the others were as long as they did decent damage? So basically your wrong, we are useful in groups and we are useful in RvR, you'd be a fool to think differently - who the fuck do you think scouts ahead to make sure the relic raid attempt is not going to be thwarted by 100 albs round he corner? We do.

And BTW, I'm SO sick of whining healers, if you don't want to res don't roll a ressing character, you think that's mean,unfair,whatever? stop whining and live with it. Don't you think you're being a total hypocrite telling me not to whine about not getting groups, then at the bottom of your post you whine about ressing? (To all the other healers out there, I'm not sick of you, just used that as an example to outline what was wrong with etats post, keep up the good work )

 

[old.Runolas]

Originally posted by infozwerg
When will ppl realise that "doing more damage than tanks" is not a qualification?

Face it: you suck in groups. groups dont need you. groups dont want you. you get in groups not because you are usefull but because ppl want to fill up spots or pity you.

You think thats mean/unfair/whatever? stop whining and live with it. if you cant cope, roll a class thats useful for pve like any healing/mezzing/tanking class or bladeturn spammer.

and forget that stupid argument about "i will be useful later in rvr". get real. you will be powerful and have fun, but you wont be useful. you wont give me realmpoints after i leveled you from 45-50, you will solo and get the rp for yourself. and then you go and whine at me to ress you. guess what? im not coming.

i can tell you im SO sick of whining rogues.

Estate wtf is wrong with you. It is retards like you that think they know what rouges can do and not do that is pissing ppl off. I have never been rejected a spot in a grp if one is free, and they have the needed set up, unless they are like 13 years old, and I'm really starting to believe you belong in that category. A SB or a Hunter contributes just as much to a grp as any other class. All you need is your basic healer classes and one solid tank. We may not be on your “perfect” list for the best grp, but we get the job done.

Who is helping out taking enemy stealthers in our frontier, who is feeding most information on enemy movement, who is climbing into keeps and relics taking out casters? The list just goes on, really profs you don’t know shit.

Healers are the rulers of PvE they can suck up XP and lvl’s like no other class and are always wanted in grp’s. From what I can read, I only hear a whiney healer that just found out that he sucks in RvR (regarding rp that is). If you had a slightest clue about RvR as a hole, you would know that this doesn’t matter. We all play our part, but we are both just as important. I would gladly share any rp I get, the problem is that the places we usually hunt you cannot come.

And last, guess what...I would decline a rez from a shit head like you any day.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by old.Runolas
A SB or a Hunter contributes just as much to a grp as any other class.

Buzzzz! Wrong!

Hunters and Shadowblades have absolutely no utility. Thats why they suck in PvE. Sorry to say it, but if any hunter/shadowblade offered to log their equal level tank (in fact, equal level any other class) for the group, I would say DO IT NOW PLS!

I don't want this to come out as an anti-rogue post, because I am not anti-rogue. But, like Estat I'm kinda bored with people rolling rogues then whining like bitches about not getting groups. Surely you understood this when you rolled ???

 

[Chancer-]

i solo'd till 29 almost so its possible to get at least here


oh and i rolled a hunter before i knew about the BG's

 

[infozwerg]

Don't you think you're being a total hypocrite telling me not to whine about not getting groups, then at the bottom of your post you whine about ressing?

you got it completly wrong:

you are the one posting "im leaving" whine whine whine cry cry cry.

i am the one enjoing his character and doing exactly what i wanted to do with it when i created it, in PvE and in RvR.

and i dont whine about ressing, i just dont ress YOU. got a problem with that? you will keep having that problem then.

 

[old.Runolas]

Originally posted by old.chesnor


Buzzzz! Wrong!

Hunters and Shadowblades have absolutely no utility. Thats why they suck in PvE. Sorry to say it, but if any hunter/shadowblade offered to log their equal level tank (in fact, equal level any other class) for the group, I would say DO IT NOW PLS!

I don't want this to come out as an anti-rogue post, because I am not anti-rogue. But, like Estat I'm kinda bored with people rolling rogues then whining like bitches about not getting groups. Surely you understood this when you rolled ???

Chesnor I have read most post from you on the rouge issue and as always you talk shit. On all post on the rouges you are bitching the same thing over and over again. I have never bitched about slow lvling etc (as in never been a problem for me), but I’m pretty fxxked up by ppl like you posting things you do not know shit about. I have compared my dmg-output to a Thanes, Warriors and Skalds in my Guild many times….and yes I out-dmg them. The only tank that hits harder is Zerker. Our weak point is on defence…get it?

What do I give a group on my lvl? Well I get a nice 5 sec stun, high dmg-output and I bring in the poison. Does a Thane give you any more?

To give you an example: I’m lvl 44…so I can solo even con Scavs easily, I have also taken 1 orange I found. Anyway on a yellow I hit PA for 300+ CD for 150+ with 5 sec stun, then I dual and do DF for 170+, depending on luck they go down on 5-7 blows. After that I have like 90%+ left, because of evade and stun. Did someone forget to tell you that after 1.48 all assassins got a boost in skillpoints meaning they are no longer gimped for PvE?

I don’t have the exact numbers but on those liches in Raumarik my PA did around 180+ at lvl 42, CD around 120+ I did not have DF then so hard to compare. Anyway on most pulls I did about the same dmg as a lvl 43 Thane, but still he could not match my PA and CD without getting critical hits. One more thing, I have like 135+ in unbuffed quickness meaning I’m hitting a lot faster than most Tanks. Hitting a mob faster = higher dmg-output.

If you read some of the US sites you will find assassins ripping tanks to threads in only a few seconds, there is a reason for this…

And yes I will give you a dmg-report

 

[old.Scooby]

Originally posted by infozwerg
i am the one enjoing his character and doing exactly what i wanted to do with it when i created it, in PvE and in RvR.

And your point is...? I created this post to try and let people know what I thought should be changed about mid to make it better, why did you post? To flame me and look "l33t"?

And no I don't have a problem with you not ressing me, you clearly have far too high an opinion of yourself if you think I would.

 

[old.chesnor]

To Runolas :

Hunters/Shadowblades have no utility. Your shitty 5s stun and poisons (which SBs rarely ever use in groups) are not good utility.
The point about your dmg output is moot. In a good xp group you will be fighting purples. A shadowblade pulling of critstrikes on purple mobs is being an ass, he is risking his own life and the Healers life.

Now I'll explain utility....
Thanes got Protect, Guard and Intercept and make good pullers.
Zerkers got Protect.
Warriors got Protect and Guard.
Skalds get shit loads of utility.
Healers get heals, mezz, res and a real stun.
Shaman got heals, res and root.
Runeys got fend )
Spiritmasters get a useful pet (hunters pets are usually rubbish)ghetto heals and soon pbaoe ) and res.
Hunters have none.
Shadowblades have none.

The dmg output of a class means jack shit. Its the other things you bring to groups that make groups want you. Hunters and Shadowblades are the 2 worst PvE chars...end of. This is why you don't get groups, and I am NOT talking shit. Thanks.

 

[old.Anpu]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
In a good xp group you will be fighting purples.

Yeah right :sleeping:
In a small group with 3 or 4 ppl you can chain reds with little to no downtime while capping you on each pull. Those are the groups where the sb's shine (of course only if you have a tank that knows what taunting means )

/Anpu

 

[Olgark]

Originally posted by infozwerg
When will ppl realise that "doing more damage than tanks" is not a qualification?

Face it: you suck in groups. groups dont need you. groups dont want you. you get in groups not because you are usefull but because ppl want to fill up spots or pity you.

You think thats mean/unfair/whatever? stop whining and live with it. if you cant cope, roll a class thats useful for pve like any healing/mezzing/tanking class or bladeturn spammer.

and forget that stupid argument about "i will be useful later in rvr". get real. you will be powerful and have fun, but you wont be useful. you wont give me realmpoints after i leveled you from 45-50, you will solo and get the rp for yourself. and then you go and whine at me to ress you. guess what? im not coming.

i can tell you im SO sick of whining rogues.

Hunters can taunt the agro from a tank when the tank can not take the heat, and once the healer has the tanks health back up can switch the agro back to the tank with ease. I know cause I can do it with my hunter.

The best party my hunter has been in is one with two other hunters and a healer. The healer never gained agro and the three hunters switched the agro round so the mob never knew who to hit. So before you diss a class try playing one before you say rogues are usless. And if you have and found they don't work then you played it wrong.

 

[old.Runolas]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
To Runolas :

Hunters/Shadowblades have no utility. Your shitty 5s stun and poisons (which SBs rarely ever use in groups) are not good utility.
The point about your dmg output is moot. In a good xp group you will be fighting purples. A shadowblade pulling of critstrikes on purple mobs is being an ass, he is risking his own life and the Healers life.

Now I'll explain utility....
Thanes got Protect, Guard and Intercept and make good pullers.
Zerkers got Protect.
Warriors got Protect and Guard.
Skalds get shit loads of utility.
Healers get heals, mezz, res and a real stun.
Shaman got heals, res and root.
Runeys got fend )
Spiritmasters get a useful pet (hunters pets are usually rubbish)ghetto heals and soon pbaoe ) and res.
Hunters have none.
Shadowblades have none.

The dmg output of a class means jack shit. Its the other things you bring to groups that make groups want you. Hunters and Shadowblades are the 2 worst PvE chars...end of. This is why you don't get groups, and I am NOT talking shit. Thanks.

Chesnor I can tank Sleip. in Raumarik, without the damn thing not even hitting me. And they er purp to me. I can always pull off my CS moves with a good tank and not get aggro. Timing and skill is what it takes...something you probably never heard of. Again you do not know SHIT. I always use PA and neither me or the grp has ever died from it, it helps getting the mob faster down and uses less of the healers mana, because of the stun from CD.

The "shitty" 5 sec stun is on the attacked target moron. I know a lot of tanks that like them at least in my guild.

Most of the time I use str-poison and sometimes dot depends on the grp.

Chesnor you forget that the grp is of 8 ppl you do not need 2 warriors, when 1 warrior + 1 SB gives you higer dmg-output.

I have been in a grp with 3 SB pulling off their PA on Trolls and CT, I have never seen them go down faster.

The normal grp for my Warrior is 2 Hunters, 1Shaman and a Healer and we rock...too bad we can't play them that much.

 

[grimnr-]

Hunter guild maybe

Besides a slap around the back of peoples legs for general potty mouthing, I thought I'd chuck in my 2 coppers on the Hunter problem.

If you cant get groups why not try to get a guild together just for hunters and shadowblades, with a good mix of beast charming and archery you should be able to xp very quickly and power level new hunters with very little problem.

Life hands you lemons, make lemonade, simple really.

 

[old.E][Waemohs]

Is this the way you treat echother in midgard ? :\

/spank

 

[old.Atrox]

Waemohs sadly it is =/

 

[-Samma-]

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originaly posted by Grimnr-
Besides a slap around the back of peoples legs for general potty mouthing, I thought I'd chuck in my 2 coppers on the Hunter problem.

If you cant get groups why not try to get a guild together just for hunters and shadowblades, with a good mix of beast charming and archery you should be able to xp very quickly and power level new hunters with very little problem.

Life hands you lemons, make lemonade, simple really.
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Ok then maybe we should let Warriors and Thanes scout for incoming relic raids? It´s the same thing. I don´t mean to flame you or anything I just think that it is wrong alienating hunters/shadowblades like that.

To others that don´t approve of hunters being in their groups:
When it comes to defending the realm we need ALL classes. We certainly need the Shadowblades/Hunters aswell. Now if you think that they are not good enough to be in your group even though they do the same damage as anyone else except the zerker. Then how do you think Midgard is gonna get info on incoming raids? Or enemy movement anywhere? Who is gonna take out the enemy mages that are in the back mezzing/stunning everyone? Who is gonna take defend you against the enemy assassins that you won´t see? But you will most certainly notice when you get a stab in the back and suddenly you aren´t feeling so well with low HP and poison. Who is gonna climb into Keeps and assassinate those then very annoying spellcasters and bowmen?

If you don´t help these Shadowblades and Hunters who do the same dmg as anyone else but hasn´t got that high HP or those fancy protects. Then Midgard most certainly are gonna loose a valuable assett. Because yes there is a battle of the stealthers out there and everyone without that ability aren´t that much of a part of it. Also ask yourself what is most important in the longrun, that Midgard´s winning or that you get a team with people who all have protect/guard/intercept abilities? So that you can get mobs maybe slightly better but probably not. SB´s and Hunters are pretty much the only source on enemy movement. Think of that the next time you turn down one of them.

(PS I know it is long but I then you´ll get time to think things through a bit and get things into perspective)

Samma Irontree -The Dark Disciples
Lvl 42 Hunter

 

[old.chesnor]

Well, I didn't want to justify why Hunters and Shadowblades shouldn't be grouped. Of course they should get groups. All I did was attempt to explain why they don't, using my experience of this game, and especially my PvE experiences as a Healer.

Rogues that do get aggro are hard to heal, fact. The perfect group from my pov won't contain rogues, because they make my life more complicated and dangerous. This is why I don't rate rogues in PvE.

But I will never and have never turned down hunters or sbs for groups if there was a spare slot. It's just that given that there are many hunters and shadowblades (certainly at the lower levels where people actually need to PvE) most groups will not benefit from 2+ rogues when a shield tank, bubble blower or another healer will be much more beneficial.

 

[Cloud**]

Infiltrator here.......

I have to say, i havnt really had a problem getting to level 40 in a /played time of about 8 days, the only times ive been refused a group is when they are full, so i wait around and usually get let in.
What really pisses me off thou are the occational ignorat people, usually Tanks who think they are so much better then you and flame your class, Tanks job in a group is simple, get the aggro and if they did this job corrcetly, higher dmg dealing rouge classes should have no problems being accepted into groups because they wouldnt be touched.

Btw i blame roges themselves for letting the situation get like this, its quite frequent i hear rouges flaming their own class, saying something like "Not bad for a scout" or "this groups great, even with me in it", "Any room for a poor infi" or something along them lines and people start to think the class is weak.

Stick with it thou, make your own groups, pester your guild for groups and when you finally hit level 50 you can stop kissing all that arse and laugh because you'll rake in more RP than all the uber PvE classes put together

 

[grimnr-]

Originally posted by samma.tdd
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originaly posted by Grimnr-
Besides a slap around the back of peoples legs for general potty mouthing, I thought I'd chuck in my 2 coppers on the Hunter problem.

If you cant get groups why not try to get a guild together just for hunters and shadowblades, with a good mix of beast charming and archery you should be able to xp very quickly and power level new hunters with very little problem.

Life hands you lemons, make lemonade, simple really.
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Ok then maybe we should let Warriors and Thanes scout for incoming relic raids? It´s the same thing. I don´t mean to flame you or anything I just think that it is wrong alienating hunters/shadowblades like that.


To others that don´t approve of hunters being in their groups:
When it comes to defending the realm we need ALL classes. We certainly need the Shadowblades/Hunters aswell. Now if you think that they are not good enough to be in your group even though they do the same damage as anyone else except the zerker. Then how do you think Midgard is gonna get info on incoming raids? Or enemy movement anywhere? Who is gonna take out the enemy mages that are in the back mezzing/stunning everyone? Who is gonna take defend you against the enemy assassins that you won´t see? But you will most certainly notice when you get a stab in the back and suddenly you aren´t feeling so well with low HP and poison. Who is gonna climb into Keeps and assassinate those then very annoying spellcasters and bowmen?

If you don´t help these Shadowblades and Hunters who do the same dmg as anyone else but hasn´t got that high HP or those fancy protects. Then Midgard most certainly are gonna loose a valuable assett. Because yes there is a battle of the stealthers out there and everyone without that ability aren´t that much of a part of it. Also ask yourself what is most important in the longrun, that Midgard´s winning or that you get a team with people who all have protect/guard/intercept abilities? So that you can get mobs maybe slightly better but probably not. SB´s and Hunters are pretty much the only source on enemy movement. Think of that the next time you turn down one of them.

(PS I know it is long but I then you´ll get time to think things through a bit and get things into perspective)

Samma Irontree -The Dark Disciples
Lvl 42 Hunter

No offence taken, in response to your first point the post wasn't an idea to exclude Hunters and Shadowblades just an idea to solve the grouping problem they encounter plus if there was a dedicated Hunter/SB guild then the guildmaster could possilby trade the RvR services of the higher level members in return for group places for lower levels in other guilds xp'ing partys, I know its a maybe a little more than a nice idea as organising anything in Midgard is about as easy as Cat herding.

As for the rest of your points, I totally agree, each class has its place in the realm, and as the games best part is RvR I agree its a little short sighted exclude the stleath classes from the mob hunting they need to help the realm later, hopefully grouping in the battlegrounds will teach the tanking classes the value of a well player Hunter or Shadowblade

Good post, well considered and rationale, are you sure your a Middie?

 

[Olgark]

There is a simple saying that applies to the reason to group rogues in your groups.

" To catch a thief you send a thief"

Enough said I think.
Or should I explain it for the stupid tanks out there?

 

[infozwerg]

Re: Infiltrator here.......

Stick with it thou, make your own groups, pester your guild for groups and when you finally hit level 50 you can stop kissing all that arse and laugh because you'll rake in more RP than all the uber PvE classes put together

youll get to 50, youll solo in emain and dont get in groups to share rp with the ppl that helped you to get 50, and you wonder why you dont get invitet to groups?

live with it.

and enjoy it while it lasts, see hidden is only a few patches away and we wont talk about one shotting any more wont we?

 

[old.anubis]

to all sbs out there:
reroll as a thane, healers will love you much more in rvr

 

[old.Atrox]

Estat plz stop talking out of your ass
Yes Stealthers are a solo group ( dunno about ministrels, thou they are ghay, btw nerf em )
But saying we will go to 50 and never group is just bollox
in the normal Milegate stand offs you will get your fare share of our job if we are group, and Im mostly grouped at those stand offs.
And yes 1shotting assasins wont be here much longer, so I guess thats all we are good for, hunting invaders, no need for us to miss out of the action at keep/relic raiding anymore then, we stealthers can stop scouting keeps b4 and during the raids, SB's can stop risking their lifes to remove that little mage/archer who blasting you into pieces.

And if you feel a little rejected by stealthers in RvR I can only say 1thing. What goes around comes around.


Edit:

youll get to 50, youll solo in emain and dont get in groups to share rp with the ppl that helped you to get 50, and you wonder why you dont get invitet to groups?

Give me 1 reson why I should group with you when you rejected me in the xp group. Correct me if Im wrong, you reject stealthers in your xp groups cuz the "will" reject you in there RvR groups later on ? lol ?

Im glad I dont live close to you Estat, you might steal my car cuz there is a slim chance I might steal your car someday....

 

[infozwerg]

Estat plz stop talking out of your ass

please dont use that silly faecal expressions, you annoy me.

But saying we will go to 50 and never group is just bollox

it is very silly for stealthers to group in rvr. even if they are grouped, they usually dont share the RP they earn cause they are far away from the rest of the group.

SB's can stop risking their lifes to remove that little mage/archer who blasting you into pieces.

what you really dont get is: i dont care about the archers and mages that SB are killing inside keeps. i dont care about the mages that hunters shot. you dont help me with that. the ppl you kill get ressed anyways 30 sek later.

there is a war of the stealthers going on as someone said in this thread. but the stealthers should be aware that no one else but them and a few careless mages really cares about it.

Im glad I dont live close to you Estat, you might steal my car cuz there is a slim chance I might steal your car someday....

i dont steal cars out of a feeling of revenge or something, i steal cars to drive. fig speaking ofc.

 

[-Samma-]

Originally posted by infozwerg


there is a war of the stealthers going on as someone said in this thread. but the stealthers should be aware that no one else but them and a few careless mages really cares about it.

Estat it seems you know little or nothing about RVR. I´m sure you´re higher leveld then I am but it seems you still don´t know wich I think is sad.

If you don´t care about for instance taking out the mages then who do you think is mezzing everybody in your group? Yes he might be up after a little while or he might not anyhow he will have rez sickness and can only do half damage. By war of the stealthers that include the info you and everyone else gets about incoming Relic raids for instance, (Those trying to get the info might get killed you know). Now how fun is it to get to know about that when they are running back with the relic. that you only get to know about it, cuz you read that little msg saying that Midgards strenght relic has been removed.....?

After all taking/defending Relics are what we should do in this game. Realm wars are basically what this game is about. To achieve any kind of victory we have to work together and without the stealthers you WILL be blindly fumbling around taking a chance at where the enemy is. Not having a clue if there is a Relic raid on Midgard incoming. If you´re not here for the realm wars then why not switch to for instance Warcraft online (when it get out) that is a game that is concentrated on killing mobs and gaining exp only (just a thought).

Right now I think we got too few level 50 stealthers to scout properly. We should all pull together to help out taking/defending relic´s and we certainly need ALL classes to do that.


Samma Irontree - The Dark Disciples
Lvl 43 Hunter

 

[Tranquil-]

Amen.

 

[old.Atrox]

I think Estat are a litle sore cuz he helped Finster lvl and now he can't be grouped with him in Emain........

Estat plz think b4 you answer...
I accually thought you knew shit about this game, apperantly you dont.

 

[old.chesnor]

I don't know Estat. But I know that Estat helped Finster level and that Finster and Estat levelled very quickly. Now, I have fought against Finster back in his Alb days, and he rocked then. He knows the game well, and by association and by Estats posts I believe Estat does too. I won't believe that Estat or any Healer will really think that you can do a duo in the frontiers with a stealther...I mean DERRRRR!

Bottom line.......Stealthers are built for RP farming and griefing in the frontiers. Don't insult my intelligence with all this 'your realm needs scouts' rubbish. Any class can scout, and its not even level critical. Not only that, we only need a handful of strategically placed scouts and they can suicide when they've done their job to return to the real action.

Face it, most rogues are built with one object in mind.....GANKING!

/em apologises to the tiny amount of Hunters/Shadowblades who actually rolled and levelled their chars to scout...I know you exist, but I can probably count you on 1 hand