Why dont we have A COOP server ?

[Saggy]

Found a Finnish version of the page Driwen posted before and according to that English is the most common language in EU. Still googling to find out what the situation is in Europe.
(edit: actually the things have changes in the last two years, English popularity has increased fast )

 

[Ning]

nope, but dutch doesnt fit ANY game at all, sometimes the manuals are translated in dutch and usually they are full of errors because the translators have no idea what its all about, or because some words are just not translatable, same case with the games itself

If American had chosen dutch as official language, every game, movies, sings, etc would be in dutch and english translation (for UK only) would have been full of errors aswell. And we would be speaking in dutch atm.

(you can replace "dutch" by any other european language in the previous sentences)

 

[Kreig]

Yeah, I've seen ads for every MMORPG except DAOC in the UK gaming press.

I remember 1 half page add in pcgamer few years back now, thats about it really, and they wonder why there is a low english server pop compaired to germany/france.

If you go into any games shop and ask about DAoC, SI or ToA they wont have a clue what your talking about. No where but a few small independants stock it, apart from that you have to buy it online. The fact of the matter is that as far as the games industry are concerned its a pile of pap, mmorpgs arent what make them millions so the market share represents that.

Its a very defined customer spectrum, all goes back to politics in one form or another. End of story.

 

[Svartmetall]

If you go into any games shop and ask about DAoC, SI or ToA they wont have a clue what your talking about

They've heard of EQ though. DAOC has had very little if any promotion over here...

 

[Kreig]

They've heard of EQ though. DAOC has had very little if any promotion over here...

Maybe because its run by a french company in europe and they couldnt give a fly **** about their uk counterparts? EQ if im not mistake is completely managed by USA company (not sure who cos EQ = Tehshudder and i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot barge pole).

Take a look at PlanetSide or SWG run by American companys, ive seen shed loads of adverts for them both in comparison to what there is and has been of any DAoC release or add-on release.

 

[Ning]

Maybe because its run by a french company in europe and they couldnt give a fly **** about their uk counterparts? EQ if im not mistake is completely managed by USA company (not sure who cos EQ = Tehshudder and i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot barge pole).

Take a look at PlanetSide or SWG run by American companys, ive seen shed loads of adverts for them both in comparison to what there is and has been of any DAoC release or add-on release.

Isn't Sony japanese ?

 

[Atheistic Archon]

Maybe because its run by a french company in europe and they couldnt give a fly **** about their uk counterparts? EQ if im not mistake is completely managed by USA company (not sure who cos EQ = Tehshudder and i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot barge pole).

Take a look at PlanetSide or SWG run by American companys, ive seen shed loads of adverts for them both in comparison to what there is and has been of any DAoC release or add-on release.

The European servers is run by UbiSoft.
EQLoft.

 

[Eroa]

If American had chosen dutch as official language, every game, movies, sings, etc would be in dutch and english translation (for UK only) would have been full of errors aswell. And we would be speaking in dutch atm.

(you can replace "dutch" by any other european language in the previous sentences)

imagine the horror if the world was speaking dutch ^^

 

[Nott]

There's a coop-test server running right now, its in German.

Personally I would love a coopserver and would probably play there even if its in German, hopefully we will have some english speaking guilds there.

The server bein run now is only for "4p VIP members" and will close at the end of the month with all characters being deleted.

I still don't have high hopes for a euro-coop, call me a pessimist.

PS: To all those arguing that coop-server won't attract "enough" players. 1000 people on coop is effectively the same as 3000 on a rvr server cause everybody will be "realmmates" you can group and raid with. Atleast it will be like that for us that mostly pve on the rvr servers anyway.

 

[Revz]

Isn't Sony japanese ?

Sony Online Entertainment (formerly Verant Interactive / 989 Studios) are the guys who make Everquest. They are located in the US along with the majority of the Everquest servers. Oddly enough I believe they just outsourced their GMs to India but until then practically everything to do with Everquest was US based.

The European servers is run by UbiSoft.
EQLoft.

What about Antonius Bayle? I'm pretty sure that server is based in Europe but for all intents and purposes part of the main SOE network. Anyway I think the point is that regardless of which server you play on you get the same standard of customer support and the same patches at the same time. DAoC sadly lacks this. Just see the problems in this thread for an example of how badly the EU version needs some form of in game customer support.

 

[Saggy]

PS: To all those arguing that coop-server won't attract "enough" players. 1000 people on coop is effectively the same as 3000 on a rvr server cause everybody will be "realmmates" you can group and raid with. Atleast it will be like that for us that mostly pve on the rvr servers anyway.

The arguement about "enough" players isn't about how effective the server would be, the arguement is that will there be enough players interested in co-op server so GOA would actually consider to make it and would it attract enough new players. I know many people (probably the majority of Excal/Prydwen players) who would love to get 3rd normal server in English (the language ;D) but doubt it will ever happen because new server costs cash and most of the players would come from the 2 existing servers so not much profit by making it. Afterall, GOA is an company

 

[Danya]

I don't think english language was invented because it fits better with video-games.

Computer programming languages use English keywords so English is the most natural language for programming in.

 

[Svartmetall]

...most of the players would come from the 2 existing servers

While that might be the case with a 3rd. English server, it would not be so much of a factor with the co-op server since the co-op server, like Camlann, would serve all of the European players and not just the UK ones.

 

[Saggy]

While that might be the case with a 3rd. English server, it would not be so much of a factor with the co-op server since the co-op server, like Camlann, would serve all of the European players and not just the UK ones.

Uh oh, strong quoting skill for the win? And shocking news - I'm not from UK and all of the Euro-servers are serving me! <o/

The arguement about "enough" players isn't about how effective the server would be, the arguement is that will there be enough players interested in co-op server so GOA would actually consider to make it and would it attract enough new players. I know many people (probably the majority of Excal/Prydwen players) who would love to get 3rd normal server in English (the language ;D) but doubt it will ever happen because new server costs cash and most of the players would come from the 2 existing servers so not much profit by making it. Afterall, GOA is an company

To make it fit for "Euro-server": I know many people who would love to get co-op server but doubt it will happen because new server costs cash and most of the players would come from the existing servers so not much profit by making it. Afterall, GOA is an company

You know, by reading each sentence separetaly you will misunderstood almost everything. The paragraphs are there for a reason.

 

[Svartmetall]

I was addressing the point you made about where players for a server would come from; my point was that for a 3rd. UK server, i.e. a "normal" RvR one, the playerbase for that would in all probability come mainly from Excal/Pryd players.

However for a co-op server, being as how it would be the only one of its kind in Europe, the area from which its prospective playerbase would come is much much bigger (i.e. all Euro DAOC players instead of primarily just those on the two existing UK servers).

I don't think of Camlann as being a "UK server" at all, it's the Euro PvP server.

Originally posted by Saggy:
To make it fit for "Euro-server": I know many people who would love to get co-op server but doubt it will happen because new server costs cash and most of the players would come from the existing servers so not much profit by making it. Afterall, GOA is an company

Well, the number of people just on this forum alone who've posted in the last couple of "co-op server" threads saying they would really like one should give some indication of how much interest there is in it.

i.e. a lot

 

[Ning]

Maybe because its run by a french company in europe and they couldnt give a fly **** about their uk counterparts? EQ if im not mistake is completely managed by USA company

European Everquest servers are also run by a french company (Ubisoft) (www.everquest-europe.com) so ads you see in Europe( and in UK) about Everquest are made by a french company.
Ads made or not in UK have nothing to do with nationality IMO.

 

[Ning]

The question for GOA is :

if they add a co-op server, will they get new customers ? I don't think.

if they don't add a co-op server, will they lose customers ? I don't think.

 

[Saggy]

I don't think of Camlann as being a "UK server" at all, it's the Euro PvP server.

I dont think there is any UK, Germany or France servers. There is, however, many European GOA servers which are either in English, German or French. Nationality has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Welcome to the European servers of the Dark age of Camelot!
<List of the servers>

Well, the number of people just on this forum alone who've posted in the last couple of "co-op server" threads saying they would really like one should give some indication of how much interest there is in it.
i.e a lot

I actually read through all of the (well, found 3) "Give us co-op server" threads and frankly, the amount of people actually wanting to play at it is rather low and the amount of people who wouldn't mind if there is a co-op server is quite huge. In the end that doesn't matter if there wouldn't be new players bringing cash (which I doubt the FH readers are). Maybe people should start to threat GOA by quitting if we dont get Co-op server?

 

[klavrynd]

didnt read, will reply: "pve sucks"

 

[Svartmetall]

The question for GOA is :

if they add a co-op server, will they get new customers ? I don't think.

if they don't add a co-op server, will they lose customers ? I don't think.

Possibly a better question to ask would be: US players get access to the co-op gametype. European players, while paying pretty much the same amount in subs, currently do not.
Why?

 

[Svartmetall]

didnt read, will reply: "pve sucks"

That's just your own opinion. If you hate PvE so much then don't play a co-op server.

 

[Margaret]

The question for GOA is :

if they add a co-op server, will they get new customers ? I don't think.

if they don't add a co-op server, will they lose customers ? I don't think.

If they add a co-op server, will they lose customers? I don't think so.

If they don't add a co-op server, will they get new customers because of it? I don't think so.

didnt read, will reply: "pve sucks"

You are, of course, entirely entitled to hold that opinion. However, it's hardly a very constructive reply in a thread debating a European co-op server. Furthermore, by not reading the thread at all and stating so in your response, you basically admit that it's a knee-jerk response without much thought behind it, and thus people will be inclined to ignore it.

 

[Saggy]

Possibly a better question to ask would be: US players get access to the co-op gametype. European players, while paying pretty much the same amount in subs, currently do not.
Why?

GOA would probably give some silly answer as usual We could also ask : "There is 3 or more normal servers in German and French. Why isn't there 3 or more servers in English so English speaking people could play all the 3 realms. We are paying the same amount in subs."

If they add a co-op server, will they lose customers? I don't think so.

If they don't add a co-op server, will they get new customers because of it? I don't think so.

To summ it up : making a co-op server would show some respect towards players (customer service) but the best solution to save cash is to be without one. Any guesses which one fits better for GOA?

 

[Danya]

didnt read, will reply: "pve sucks"

Klav ;>

 

[Ning]

If they add a co-op server, will they lose customers? I don't think so.

GOA is a company whose aim is to make money

 

[Ctuchik]

acually, id be pretty satisfied with a HONEST STRAIGHT ANSWER from GOA why we dont have any coop server......


how about it Erivoss?? feel like giving it a shot and ask ur boss why we dont have a coop and then tell us??

and IF we acually do get a answer.. can a mod quote that in a new topic and make it a STICKY so we dont have to have this kind of discussion anymore?

 

[Balbor]

That's just your own opinion. If you hate PvE so much then don't play a co-op server.

if you hate PvE so much then all your characters must be L1

 

[Nott]

The arguement about "enough" players isn't about how effective the server would be, the arguement is that will there be enough players interested in co-op server so GOA would actually consider to make it and would it attract enough new players. I know many people (probably the majority of Excal/Prydwen players) who would love to get 3rd normal server in English (the language ;D) but doubt it will ever happen because new server costs cash and most of the players would come from the 2 existing servers so not much profit by making it. Afterall, GOA is an company

Guess my "enough player" argument was from a players point of view and not GOA

Since they allready are testing a coopserver now they seem to have some spare hardware? Though it might be crap hardware and thats why the test is so limited, so maybe if they go live with it they will need a big upgrade...don't know.

They most likely have gotten some "Gaheris report" from the mythics and wasn't to pleased with it. Don't you think? Its hard to tell how a coop server would be in europe but once they commit to it they can't just close it if they don't like the results so they hesitate.

Economy will also be a factor in what language to be chosen. How many Germans won't play coop if they choose english over how many englishspeaking won't play choosing German. I don't know which way this equation adds up.

attract enough new players.

I think its more like. How many of the people that are tired of rvr-servers and thinking of quitting (or already quitted) will make coop their new home and keep playing Daoc. That seems to sum up the Gaheris community imo.

To summ it up : making a co-op server would show some respect towards players (customer service) but the best solution to save cash is to be without one. Any guesses which one fits better for GOA?

I think you hit the nail there... so I'm still a pessimist in this matter :-\

 

[inviteme]

if you hate PvE so much then all your characters must be L1

Sadly you cant rvr at lvl1, to be competative many PvE haters have to endure PvE. Luckily powerlevling is almost always an option, and alot of the PvE code is exploitable so you can be far more efficient than intended.

 

[Ballad]

OK i know camlaan is basically the oposite but there are only so many times i can be pa'ed while trying to train before it gets old

Sigh. This is something what rookies will never learn.

/level to 5, train your class, put /safety off, suicide, /release city, go to your class trainer and /level to 20 in peace. After that you can get your /level stuff. No con loss this way.