why are you grping as a stealther?

[>.< Pooned]

first of all this whole rant might be a little of topic as i dont really have a stealth character, but i am currently bored shitless at work so now might be as good a time as any to give my pov on this.

I personally value the respect of other players both from my own and other realms. My problem is this: I have a caster as main, (RM currently specced rc/dark) all stealthers, visibles in short every1 will add on a caster cause they assume that all casters do the same. This is all good even tho i do get pissed off from time to time. It is very likely that is is just me who is crap and skill less and whatever more people can come up with, as far as i know i never stated anything else, but my rm has a hard time in most 1 vs 1 fights unless i get the jump on somebody, and i actually need to think about what i do or i loose (granted that i most likely do not have to think as much as some other classes do in fights). My point is that i actually think it can be fairly fun and challenging to solo on my runie, but i get the feeling from almost everyone that it is not allowed and is not really possible to "solo" on any caster since we are all by nature lame skill less adding c*nts.

When more people get online i tend to grp up, since i also like that aspect of the game (yes i have run in early day gank groups and such, i am no saint, i know). This is where i once in a blue moon find the greatest satisfaction in this game, when i 1 in 50 times get a grp with a decent setup so we can compete. This goes very much for when i ran with my guild, we could usually field around 6 players or so and very seldom all were on ventrilo. This meant that we have often added on the FG vs FG fights since someone not in vent or just someone not sharing my view on playstyle (i dont like having adds in a fight so i try not to add myself) added on the fights, hence the grps would attack us and not much of a choice left then.
I can fully understand that people get pissed of by this i would myself, but the abuse you get if it happens is so uncalled for in my oppinion, i will leave this subject out tho since it is not really my point.
These misunderstandings and different views on how the game should be played, has in the end caused me to leave my guild a hard decision but one made because i, as stated, value the respect of others.

Here comes i my problem really: I play a rm and i like it, i find it fun to play both solo duo trio fg and whatever! If i solo i am considered a skill less noob (wich is proberly(sp?) true) and an adding idiot, simply because im a caster who dont have enough skills to play anything else (see the quote in the top). This means that i will get zerged all the time /ruded /rofled etc all day wich tend to make the fun slowly slip away.

When i try fg vs fg i feel as if u can only really be respected if u play in a fixed grp with strict non adding policies, i would be more than happy to do this, problem is that you have to be in the good company to do this. Hence i doubt that will ever happen.

So even if all i strive for is having fun while doing so in a way that is respected by others, it seems impossible to meet the requirements for this.

Guess my point is that because i chose a caster as my main I at the same time chose not to be able to solo the "right", and since i am not in any fixed group i will to most of the people in these boards be considered a nuisance in the battlefield because i group with people that dont have ventrilo or even know about IRC etc, or might not agree with the unwritten fg vs fg rules.
So no matter how hard i try i seem to fail to live up to what people would consider worthy of anything else than a /rude.

I have spent so much time in DAOC and i had so much fun, met lots of nice people etc, but i reckon that somewhere along the line not too far away i will stop having fun, since i seem to be positioned somewhere between the "elite" and the "roleplayer" part of the community, and as seen lots in these forums, there really is no room between those two concerning how RvR should be played.

My opinnion, mostlikely considered worthless QQ, btu at least i passed some time here at work.

/Isle.

ehm ok thats too big for me to read ........ i guess u passing the university last tests quite easy?

 

[Dave J.]

My point is that i actually think it can be fairly fun and challenging to solo on my runie, but i get the feeling from almost everyone that it is not allowed and is not really possible to "solo" on any caster since we are all by nature lame skill less adding c*nts.

A solo melee-character that meets another melee-character will end up in a fight that generally takes a minute or two. A caster however, usally dies or wins in 10 seconds.

No solo tank enjoys encounters with solo casters, because it involves a hell of a lot running, chasing, and water-abusing.

This is why solo casters arent respected, because they do not give 'honorable' fights. And if they do, it's because of moc-lifetap + ml9 pet, which is pretty hard to counter.


Edit: and for the rest of your post, the 'beeing in the middle' problem, i agree it probably sucks. But it wont resolve itself either. So if your class aint suitable, reroll and/or start communicating with like-minded players.

 

[islef]

I dont really feel like rerolling a rr9 chr that i like playing, as for tanks not liking fights with casters i understand. But as i play a RM i dont have lifetap and i dont have moc either.. im pretty much walking rps to any tank with charge, and tho fights are often quick i find them fun still. And i usually loose.

Communicate with likeminded well.. i got lots of nice friends but try to pm someone from any of the more "elite guilds" and they will bless me with an answer in a ratio of 1/10 or so. If you are not in you are out

 

[Andrilyn]

Well islef why not stop caring about what others want you to do to have fun and start caring about your own fun.
I don't know about you but I play to have fun and what I find fun some people might not, that's life and you will never be able to please every single person.
If you like to solo on your RM I would just keep on doing it, get a /rude emote or the likes? well there's always the /ignore command or right now if you are dealing with someone that can not formulate a sentance without excluding anyform of insults.

If you run solo (as a caster) you get whined at, if you run a FG you get whined at, if you run a zerg you get whined at, see a pattern here?
Basically if you do not let other people kill you without fighting back then you will get whined at no matter what you try or do.
Just keep on playing the way you like and have fun and think to yourself do you really want respect from people that threat you like a bag of shit if you do not follow their seldmade rules?

 

[islef]

Well i do, i just cant grasp the fact that choosing to play a castser singles you out as an idiot to most people. On that note it is rather fun running a duo with a paccer since all the stealthers that despise me simply cause i play a caster will jump me in, wich can be some awesome fights. Just wish they would offer something else than a /rude when they succeed.

 

[dub]

Wether you think everyone should be able to play solo, its still up to the poeple that play it to decide, or is suddenly the daoc community a democracy now. Its ok to feel for what other people think and want when some decide...but at all other times no one can interfere when these people are solo? As i and many said before...never assume or expect anything from anyone else in this game. Play as you like and dont bother ur head too much with what others do and im sure you and everyone else is gonna be fine. Its when you start to decide for others or say what is best for them it becomes and unpleasent atmosphere to play in.....
Me on my ranger cant kill anyone else solo...so either i would add to make rps...or i would group up. Thats just a fact. I couldnt care less if someone else say to me i should be able to solo. I solo all the time on my hero and know pretty well what my alts are capable of and not. I think the whole concept of being a stealther is a bit sneaky and dishonest tbh. But thats part of the fun to encounter those type of classes.
Anyhow...this silly discussion of what everyone should or shouldnt do is fruitless and totally unescesary. As the people do what they want in the end anyway. Only thing you do is divide and poison this comunity even more then it is. And in the end people will start telling you how to play ur alts as well...pleasent thoughts? nah i dont think anyone likes that^^
over and out..

it didnt once say it wasnt for them to decide , my argument is fun driven , if you cant play solo on a stealth play a visible instead , you and i and everyone else will have more fun , trust me.

 

[Bugz]

A solo melee-character that meets another melee-character will end up in a fight that generally takes a minute or two. A caster however, usally dies or wins in 10 seconds.

No solo tank enjoys encounters with solo casters, because it involves a hell of a lot running, chasing, and water-abusing.

This is why solo casters arent respected, because they do not give 'honorable' fights. And if they do, it's because of moc-lifetap + ml9 pet, which is pretty hard to counter.


Edit: and for the rest of your post, the 'beeing in the middle' problem, i agree it probably sucks. But it wont resolve itself either. So if your class aint suitable, reroll and/or start communicating with like-minded players.

Every charge tank should find a caster RP-fodder unless he moc/lifetaps.

 

[eggy]

Every charge tank should find a caster RP-fodder unless he moc/lifetaps.

SOI, ML9, afk

 

[MadsKaizer]

If it comes to the extreme and I actually have to play a stealther, I have to group since im a rr3 melee scout without a buffbot

 

[Soha]

I group when i feel for some talkspam coz they all putted me on ignore in /as ...

 

[liloe]

SOI, ML9, afk

RR5 +sprint for elds is also not too bad, then turn around and start disease to kite....well....and then nuke some =)

RR5 +wait till charge is gone on mentas sounds nice aswell

CL5 +CW /use2 +ML9 snare shroom on animist and beg you survive the charge time =)

There are some ways to win I think =) But they involve some good ability dumping.

 

[Dave J.]

Every charge tank should find a caster RP-fodder unless he moc/lifetaps.

That rules out cabas, sorcs, sms, warlocks, bds, necros, animists(!). Left are rms, theurgs, chanters, elds, bainshees, wizards. Most of those have speed, and any experienced soloer will wait to cast spells on a chargetank until his charge is used (the banelords wont break speed fast enough), and kite him.

 

[Golly]

dave what char dya play?

 

[Golly]

dave what char dya play?

mentioned a vamp in another thread, you that dem vamp thats been around irvr early mornings this week?

 

[censi]

i get the feeling from almost everyone that it is not allowed and is not really possible to "solo" on any caster since we are all by nature lame skill less adding c*nts.

yep. and keep telling yourself that "almost everyone" is wrong.

 

[islef]

Should i edit away the "almost" then censi?