who would win in a fight? Bruce Lee v Mike Tyson?

[ECA]

Thank you Zede.

Sorry bloodomen - you're ill informed and ill educated on the subject.

Tierk - if you regularly watched mixed martial arts - let alone participated in said training of you wouldn't even think about bringing up the ufc in this debate because if you asked any current ufc fighter who would win they'd laugh and spit their drinks out before asking if you were serious and then they'd roll around laughing until they could breath again before replying Mike Tyson.

 

[ECA]

Just an FYI and not in reply to any post ( in case someone replies before I hit submit ).

Bruce Lee was amazing, a pioneer of cross training and mixed martial arts.
He had incredible cardio and handspeed. In many ways he paved the way for mixed martial artists of today and anyone involved respects the ever loving shit out of him, self included.


This isn't a bruce lee is the best how much of bruces cock can we suck thread however.
It's a hypothetical question and all we have on Bruce Lee's side are a bunch of ignorant fucks who have no clue about fighting.

On the other side are people who have a clue because they're either fans of combat sports, participants - or both.
When I say mention Tysons weight and handspeed you don't even comprehend what I'm trying to tell you - and you don't even recognize the implications of it. How can we in any way have any kind of real or meaningful discussion?

This is nothing more than blind fanboyism of the worst kind.

 

[BloodOmen]

Just an FYI and not in reply to any post ( in case someone replies before I hit submit ).

Bruce Lee was amazing, a pioneer of cross training and mixed martial arts.
He had incredible cardio and handspeed. In many ways he paved the way for mixed martial artists of today and anyone involved respects the ever loving shit out of him, self included.


This isn't a bruce lee is the best how much of bruces cock can we suck thread however.
It's a hypothetical question and all we have on Bruce Lee's side are a bunch of ignorant fucks who have no clue about fighting.

On the other side are people who have a clue because they're either fans of combat sports, participants - or both.
When I say mention Tysons weight and handspeed you don't even comprehend what I'm trying to tell you - and you don't even recognize the implications of it. How can we in any way have any kind of real or meaningful discussion?

This is nothing more than blind fanboyism of the worst kind.

Ignorant fucks that know who have no clue about fighting? surely you fit that more than we do? you're the one who believes in weight winning fights after all, if you're going to sit here spouting bollocks atleast back it up with some facts rather than making yourself look like an arrogant prick.

 

[ECA]

Why do you think professional fighting of any discipline has weight classes? The entire educated world of combat sports are collectively idiots?

I spouted no bollocks - you just don't want to observe reality.

 

[BloodOmen]

Why do you think professional fighting of any discipline has weight classes? The entire educated world of combat sports are collectively idiots?

I spouted no bollocks - you just don't want to observe reality.

You have spouted bollocks tho, you've basicly said because someone weighs 70lbs less than someone else they will automaticly lose regardless of what experience they have explain your logic behind that? David Haye 220lbs vs Nikolai Valuev 320 pounds, surely using your logic Valuev should have never lost given he is both taller and weighed more?

 

[ECA]

You have spouted bollocks tho, you've basicly said because someone weighs 70lbs less than someone else they will automaticly lose regardless of what experience they have explain your logic behind that?

I took into account both Lee and Tysons weight.
I weigh ~235 and have no doubt Lee would fuck my world up.
Nowhere did I say that Lee would lose to anyone who weighs 70lb more than him ( actually Tyson weighed around 220 for fights and lee weighed around 135-145. which would make the difference 75-85lb ).

David Haye 220lbs vs Nikolai Valuev 320 pounds, surely using your logic Valuev should have never lost?

Using my logic we'd asses both fighters skillset, experience, age, cardio, trainers, training camps, fighting venue, judges nationality and judges judging history using boxrec, promoters, ring size, glove size, fight duration and altitude - amongst other things.

Size was never my sole argument but it seems to be the only one you've attached to.

 

[Chronictank]

Size was never my sole argument but it seems to be the only one you've attached to.

Perhaps because its the only one you made..

 

[Zede]

Perhaps because its the only one you made..

NO, stop it cronic, just stop it, please. He has made perfectly valid arguments, impossible to refute, voice of the people no less. Poor ECA is a bit out of his depth when his General M8zors dont back him to the hilt, Ch3 tried & failed, i'd have a word with him for his poor input tbh.

Back on subject...

Legs, im damn sure boxing gloves dont go on feet and boxers are NOT trained in anyway shape or form with regard to your legs being an offensive weapon. 4 'weapons' vs 2 - no contest.

But go on, let us revel more in your haughy arrogance, tis a larf.

 

[ECA]

Sorry Zede - your larp fantasy doesn't have any weight on reality.

 

[Zede]

Sorry Zede - your larp fantasy doesn't have any weight on reality.

that was poor & some what off subject, lack of support cause you to wince a bit ? haha


your such an arrogant cock, its a spectacle to behold, i luvz it

 

[Marc]

I dont buy into all this martial arts bollocks in a street fight.

Id take someone like Mike Tyson over any muhammad im hard Bruce Lee martial artist in a street fight anyday

 

[ECA]

I'd rather be open than try and mediate my points to make up for wounding the ego of OT forum dwellers.

Don't get butthurt because you're an ignorant fuck, learn from it and become a better person.

If someone shows me I'm wrong I thank them for showing me, learn from it and move on.
I don't turn into some emofag who can't interpret information and gets all pissy about my ego being bruised on the internets because I took 6 months of Wing Chun/JKD and think I'd be invincible if I kept it up.

Btw if you enjoy Bruce Lee you should check out the Ip Man films - fictional accounts of the master of Bruce Lee - they are a fun watch.

 

[fettoken]

When seeing Bruce Lee fight, i cant say i see someone who uses flashy kicks and punches. Everything he does seems so effective.

 

[ECA]

Oh and I forgot One of the reasons people want to believe so hard in crap like this is because they believe if they just went and trained for a few years they too could be as awesome as Bruce Lee , like if they had dedicated their life to it they could be that awesome.

People who believe that kind of stuff is why TMA schools are still in business.
About 90%+ of "martial arts" schools/classes are a total con with a similar value to John Cleese's self defence classes ( actually they'd be a lot more practical ).

 

[tierk]

Ok it is very hard to make comparsions of two people, one dead one alive, one a boxer - one of the best ever - and a master of martial arts. The question asked doesnt specify if it is going to be a boxing match, a street fight or wrestling, etc etc So it makes it even harder to make a serious comparsion.

I have always been a massive Tyson fan. Apart from maybe two other boxers (Ali and Holyfield) that i have watched fight i would say without a doubt that this guy is one of the greatest boxers. The man was a phenomenom, a one once in a generation boxer (at his peak).

Tyson, if called to fight Lee in a boxing match, would not just clean the floor with him but probably kill him. However, i dont think he would beat Lee under any other type of fight scenario. I just cant see him being able to get past the defenses and the fact that he would get kicked from angles he probably never thought where possible.

Street Fights are usually over in seconds (if you have ever seen a good street fighter) as you dont have time to setup. I have seen plenty of street fights in my time and trust me its who strikes; first, fastest and hardest that wins everytime.

 

[Chronictank]

I'd rather be open than try and mediate my points to make up for wounding the ego of OT forum dwellers.

Don't get butthurt because you're an ignorant fuck, learn from it and become a better person.

If someone shows me I'm wrong I thank them for showing me, learn from it and move on.
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But you haven't even explained your position, the only one (from those who want to discuss the topic rather than baiting) with a ego issue in this thread is you.
This is your 7th post and you haven't posted anything to convice me (or others) that you are right

'I am right and you are wrong because i say so' is hardly a convincing argument

 

[Wonk]

Street Fights are usually over in seconds (if you have ever seen a good street fighter) as you dont have time to setup. I have seen plenty of street fights in my time and trust me its who strikes; first, fastest and hardest that wins everytime.

exactly - and that's what Wing Chun is aimed at. With gloves on, Tyson would win in a heartbeat. The thing is, it would only take one fist between the eyes to knock anybody down... or a kick in the balls.

 

[megadave]

get deadliest warrior on the fucking phone

 

[BloodOmen]

But you haven't even explained your position, the only one (from those who want to discuss the topic rather than baiting) with a ego issue in this thread is you.
This is your 7th post and you haven't posted anything to convice me (or others) that you are right

'I am right and you are wrong because i say so' is hardly a convincing argument

pointless asking him chronic whenever you try to ask him to give something solid he just spins more bollocks out and avoids the question completely.. thinking about it, he'd make a great politician.

 

[Vasconcelos]

exactly - and that's what Wing Chun is aimed at. With gloves on, Tyson would win in a heartbeat. The thing is, it would only take one fist between the eyes to knock anybody down... or a kick in the balls.

And thats exactly the kind of prison stuff Tyson is most comfortable at.
As you said, almost all streetfight depend on who strikes 1st or starts with the most dirty trick posible.
Tyson, being the homeboy he was and having spent time in prison, may have probably be involved in hundreds of streetfights, and thats why my money would be on him.

 

[Talivar]

Wouldnt Lee just kick him and incapacitate him before Tyson could even start to swing a punch? and if Tyson got to him somehow then wouldnt he be in range for a 1 inch insta kill blow?

 

[Vae]

Legs, im damn sure boxing gloves dont go on feet and boxers are NOT trained in anyway shape or form with regard to your legs being an offensive weapon. 4 'weapons' vs 2 - no contest.

Thing is it's not just 4 weapons vs 2. A mate who lives near Stoke laid on an introduction section to JKD a few years ago with his trainer (who's a seriously hard guy - trained US Marines and more recently fought in UFC) and some of the stuff he was demonstrating was vicious. Not just hands/feet but elbows, knees, head, teeth, whatever is most appropriate in the situation. Also targeting all the most vulnerable places e.g. face, groin etc

He described one situation where he was sparring with someone in a guest class (way below his level) who was a kickboxer, acting arrogantly and was kicking too hard for the sparring they were doing and wouldn't calm down when asked so this guy just used his kneecap to block the next kick. Knee vs shin = guy doing the kicking not being able to walk for 30 mins afterwards.

The same move is taught for elbows as a defensive block vs punches. Elbow vs fist = broken fingers.

This is also the guy who described how he found the bodyworks exhibition at the dome fascinating as it showed him all the nerve runs and where precisely to cut or hit someone to cause most damage. He sat and took notes!

 

[Tuthmes]

YouTube - Bruce Lee - Be water my friend

Be water my friend.

 

[Talivar]

There is a reason that Special forces learn MMA styles as part of their training. Tyson went onto eventually get KO by Buster Douglas who was a much much slower person that Lee.

 

[Talivar]

I know Tyson a heavier weight but dont forget that Lee beat the three time world lightweight boxing champion by KO with just simple punches.

 

[BloodOmen]

YouTube - Iron Man vs Bruce Lee

nuff said.

 

[Ezteq]

rofl bring them in this thread and they would both die of shame!

The sheer levels of nerdism being displayed would make them shrivel like salted slugs at the notion that they have now been reduced to an arguement by interwebbers on par with 'what would win an emperial cruiser or the enterprise' complete with insults and textual fistycuffs.

They'd come in here and team up and kick all your arses; then go for a beer before Tyson had to return Lee to the cemetery.

 

[Talivar]

Noway Lee and Tyson might be good but compared to an angry group ot internet warriors? i think not!

 

[Chosen]

This is too stupid... Comparing a guy people probably know shit about(Have anyone here even seen a real fight with Bruce Lee?) with one of the best(if not the best) boxer that have ever existed! Tyson had it all, strenght, speed and technique. Just watch his fights during his prime time.

One thing is for sure, Lee would go down inn one hit with Tysons punches, and it would not be a problem for him landing. Cause Tyson was a fucking train, he would just ram into him beeing at a distance where even the "allmighty" Lee would not be able to dodge.

Some people watch too many movies.....

 

[megadave]

Bruce Lee grew up around gangs and got into loads of street fights and loads of trouble. That's one of the reasons he got into martial arts.

Considering he put emphasis on going for the weak points (joints, eyes, balls) i think he could win, the dirty bastard.