Which realm is overpowered n why

[vayasen]

Which realm do you think is overpowered in a even numbered open RVR battle and why.

Personally I dont see much of an advantage anywhere in an even numbered battle. Those Bards can make life difficult, but they are also 1st on everyones hitlist ;- see a guy with a banjo and averyone heads for him.

I know we moan and groan about balance, but in all my MMORPG days I htink DAOC is the most advanced and balanced PVP ive ever come across.

 

[SilverHood]

on paper, everyhting is nicely balanced, each realm has roughly th same abilities and skills.

Except that in real RvR, some classes are missing/in short supply, which leads to imbalances.

In the end, its the classes who do the damage that wins the battle.
Allbs have few CC chars, but lots of other casters. A fair number of tanks.
Mids have a fair amount of cc chars, a fair amount of casters, and lots of tanks,
Hibs have a good amount of cc, and lots of casters, as well as the best tanks in the game (champ and hero)

In the end, hibs will come out stronger, simply because they have more bards (ie more cc), group purge (negating other ealms cc), and lots of very nasty casters....

Having fought lots of albs, I can honestly say that albs kick ass when they have a few good sorcs with them. Luckily for us, the joe soap groups of albs don't have one, and so we can mez and gank them one by one.

Hibs - banjoman goes down first, always. Then druid. In the meantime, their casters nuke the shit out of us.
Nerf hibs!

 

[Turamber]

Healers AoE stun gives the Mids a tasty advantage, but that is counterbalanced by the relative scarcity of their healers in RvR.

Hib casters baseline stun is a major pain in the bottom, though the sheer number of bards they have gives them an advantage in RvR.

Albion's strength is in numbers. Our weakness is in having relatively few true healers in RvR, not to mention a crowd control specialist with 1 hit point and chip paper armour.

Not an answer to your question, just some thoughts to while away a Sunday afternoon

 

[klavrynd]

Even though we don't see it on prydwen, hibernia is imho the most powerfull.

melee wise they have the best pure tank (hero > armsman > warrior), one of the best hybrids (champ with new selfbuff = pwn)

casters, all have baseline (!) stun, a caster with speed/pbae and debuff for his own base dd damagetype, mentalist is a swiss pocketknife with pot-hot-dot , nukes , mezz and heal, and eldritch is raw power bolt-wise , has hard light nukes and ae mezz

ranger seems to be the best archer

support-wise hibernia has the warden (guaranteed 6s pbt, chants, buffs and healing, the bard with advances speed, power, healing and endurance song, basic buffs and (insta) mezz.


conclusion :

main tank : hib -> hero
light tank : mid -> zerker
hybrid : tough choice between mid->skald and hib->champ

caster : hib -> chanter

assasin : alb -> infil
archer : hib ->ranger

main healing-support : mid -> healer
secondary support : hib -> bard

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by SilverHood
on paper, everyhting is nicely balanced, each realm has roughly th same abilities and skills.

Except that in real RvR, some classes are missing/in short supply, which leads to imbalances.

In the end, its the classes who do the damage that wins the battle.
Allbs have few CC chars, but lots of other casters. A fair number of tanks.
Mids have a fair amount of cc chars, a fair amount of casters, and lots of tanks,
Hibs have a good amount of cc, and lots of casters, as well as the best tanks in the game (champ and hero)

In the end, hibs will come out stronger, simply because they have more bards (ie more cc), group purge (negating other ealms cc), and lots of very nasty casters....

Having fought lots of albs, I can honestly say that albs kick ass when they have a few good sorcs with them. Luckily for us, the joe soap groups of albs don't have one, and so we can mez and gank them one by one.

Hibs - banjoman goes down first, always. Then druid. In the meantime, their casters nuke the shit out of us.
Nerf hibs!

Albs have the best CC for me in the game with a few AE Mez classes, and probably one of the best defence for it, being speed of sound on minstrels.


Usual stuff people moan about really..

Dragon Fang, Infils amount of spec points when theres really no need for them, if they want the stun they should lose alot of cs+env, other stealthers gimp themselves getting wat they need, why should they be dif?. I think all AE DoT's need nerfing, not just cabalist, but shaman, druid and ment also. PBAoE based chars like sup and mana speccs should have their own DD.
TPT's AE.

 

[SilverHood]

I would be happy if:

All Stuns cept shield ones were removed from the game
All non-damage AoE spells were removed.

Would make the game playable again.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by klavrynd
hybrid : tough choice between mid->skald and hib->champ

With the recent changes to champs (self-buff) and resist buffs, I'd say champ is definitely ahead now. Skalds also loose out with the parry changes as champs with their 2x spec points will have more parry so better defence.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by pudzy


Albs have the best CC for me in the game with a few AE Mez classes, and probably one of the best defence for it, being speed of sound on minstrels.


Usual stuff people moan about really..

Dragon Fang, Infils amount of spec points when theres really no need for them, if they want the stun they should lose alot of cs+env, other stealthers gimp themselves getting wat they need, why should they be dif?. I think all AE DoT's need nerfing, not just cabalist, but shaman, druid and ment also. PBAoE based chars like sup and mana speccs should have their own DD.
TPT's AE.

Best CC? Pweeeaase... Healer... The best Support class in game... Instants, AE stun (no other realm has), Instaheals, Chain, basebuffs etc etc.

 

[klavrynd]

Instaheals, Chain, basebuffs etc etc

like every primary healer class has ...

 

[Derric]

Gnäll gnäll gnäll!

 

[svar]

lol what are these myths about "sheer number of bards"

we have like 3 bards who rvr regulary in whole damn realm, last time when i checked /who there was 341 ppl in realm (thats really a lot in hibernia) and there was _1_ bard of 45-50 and even he was in corus mine levelign some noobs

lately hib groups have been bardless AND druidless... luckily we seem to have enough chanters/wardens atm so at least we dont move at snail pace...

but you can stop talking about "sheer number of bards" because thats a thing of good old days

 

[Sharma]

Nerf hibbys so we can gank em for more RP

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by pudzy

Dragon Fang, Infils amount of spec points when theres really no need for them, if they want the stun they should lose alot of cs+env, other stealthers gimp themselves getting wat they need, why should they be dif?. I think all AE DoT's need nerfing, not just cabalist, but shaman, druid and ment also. PBAoE based chars like sup and mana speccs should have their own DD.
TPT's AE.

wtf - i have specced to 50 in weapon and have 939 in weap skill, same as 5spec sb with similiar stats and 39 in axe. Not to mention double frost - personally i`d readily switch long stun to med stun if i had a good anytime style, as well as endurance buff next patch.
Have a cow

 

[klavrynd]

blabla

doublefrost is overrated. hogs end like a LW style and does shit damage.

ps : offcourse you cant a good alltimer, no use for reactive stuns when zerging ~~

 

[Solid]

I say the Realm of the Spikey Haired Chick

 

[old.Dugald]

lol Solid

 

[hrodelbert]

nice one solid on the point of heroes being better than armsmen blah all lies

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by klavrynd
blabla

doublefrost is overrated. hogs end like a LW style and does shit damage.

ps : offcourse you cant a good alltimer, no use for reactive stuns when zerging ~~

/em waits patiently for 1.57 and changes to LA styles. One particular style.. Cough - cough ...

 

[old.Greggor]

Lots of rvr bards bah we have 5 that that earn over 20k for last week

Best tank for 30sec in 30 mins we have the best tank. the other 29 mins and 30sec armsmen are far better in damage dealing and taking? Better styles and soon end regen on a tank ?

Where is hib ae stun ? and insta version ?

 

[old.Atrox]

Where is hib ae stun ? and insta version ?

Where is Albs Instant AECC ?
or where is Albs/mids Group Purge ?

Best realm in even numbers ( this assumes active RA's and instants are ready ) are Hibs.
Instant AEmezz
Group purge
Baseline Stun on the Casters
Insane amount HP on the tanks
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Next must be Mids, mainly because of the Healer.

 

[Ragnarok1978]

I say hibernia is the strongest realm atm.

Not whining about it since it's obviously needed on most servers due to the sheer lack of population. Dunno if it's because there is too much EQ over that realm, and people just stick with EQ or not, but they are in most cases outnumbered.

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by kr0n


Best CC? Pweeeaase... Healer... The best Support class in game... Instants, AE stun (no other realm has), Instaheals, Chain, basebuffs etc etc.

Sure, healers can be the best support class, although the things you are referring to are in different spec lines. And the biggest issue in this matter is that healers are way to busy to perform their other ability besides cc, being healing their realm mates. It was a bad choice to make a realm's main healing class main cc class too imo...

 

[Lament]

Hibs the best if they have the numbers,Albs the worst (have to rely on numbers alot of the time to get anywhere).

For a start Albion despite having more classes has no mana or end regen buffs or a end regen chant/song.The minstrels powersong requires a minstrel in every group who can of course do little else at the same time whereas buffs for example leave the buffer free to do other things.

Decent Alb pbaoe is nearly non existant due to the Wiz ice spec being otherwise useless and one of the worst solo specs in Alb as well as the fact that Wizards are also the only Alb gtaoe class.

Also alb has serious lack of ae spells instant or otherwise (with smite cleric being somewhat rare these days) with Albs main ae dd again being the wiz (an overworked class if there ever was one).

As for tanks we have the paladins (and lots of em) Hib has champions and Mid its thanes now which class would you like for rvr ? (Paladins are great for pve and get better with end chant in next patch).

Anyhow Leadership and organisation are overall imho more important than any realm class imbalance so grats to Midguard for their continued (or so it seems) impressive ability to work as a team (still not really fought enough hibs still to comment on them).

Hmm well thats a long first post hope its halfway coherent and at least a little bit accurate.

 

[SilverHood]

As for tanks we have the paladins (and lots of em) Hib has champions and Mid its thanes now which class would you like for rvr ? (Paladins are great for pve and get better with end chant in next patch).

Hmm,
Champ > thane > 2H paladin
champ> 1H pally > Thane

I'd rather be a champ

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Ragnarok1978
I say hibernia is the strongest realm atm.

Not whining about it since it's obviously needed on most servers due to the sheer lack of population. Dunno if it's because there is too much EQ over that realm, and people just stick with EQ or not, but they are in most cases outnumbered.

EQ??

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by SilverHood


Hmm,
Champ > thane > 2H paladin
champ> 1H pally > Thane

I'd rather be a champ

after 1.54 a 1 hand pala will prob be best of all, what with infinite end for those uber alb slash styles and the nice defence too.

As for the topic, in an even rvr fight with balanced numbers and the theoretical "best" combinations of classes, hibs will kick the crap out of anything with ease.

Oh and as for people's remarks that bard's are number one targets etc.. having recently played a bard, I can safely say that every non-stealther out there pretty much ignores you, it's only the archers and assassins who'll go straight for you. And the very few people who do go for you give up almost right away if you sprint away ask anyone who's seen me rvring with leah's bard, she's always last to die ...

 

[<Wels>]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca


ask anyone who's seen me rvring with leah's bard, she's always last to die ...

Leah eh? <writes it down in his Go for this person first book>

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by &lt;Wels&gt;


Leah eh? <writes it down in his Go for this person first book>

technically you're a stealther, so I'm already expecting you to go for meh!

Oh and since 95% of the time it's not me, don't go for her you big meanie

 

[Danya]

I always got for the bard first. The look on their face when you stun and mez them from stealth is priceless.

 

[j000 d000d]

People always call the other realm overpowered.

But I think this game is quite balanced, actually, very balanced.

There might be some exceptions, like a SB standing no chance against an inf with dragonfang, but I don't know much about that, and it isn't any noticeable difference if you look at the statistics.

Now you might say that I say it's balanced because people call me such an overpowered enchanter with the snaring pet, baseline stun, heat debuff and uber pbae, but that doesn't seem to make much difference here, does it?

If you look at statistics like this: http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/lastweekrank.php?PHPSESSID=20934ced9c793c084fb0e34a8ca523b4
you might say that Albion is severely overpowered, but I don't think so, all are as strong, just 1 is a bit better organised than others.

Just my 2cents.