Which do you think is the best realm?

[lillagullan]

lol?

albs has 3 mercs in MA train. pala rarely follows(what good does it do anyway) minstrel on interupt duty etc.

u can run 4 savages? kk thx bye

hmm

i hit every target for 170-300 + crit (depends on target, savages always 200+), i think it helps alot^^ and slam is pretty useful for assist train since they hit 100% then

 

[Lejemorder]

NP best setup was 1 warrior, 1 skald, 1 savage 1 zerk last time i saw em on excal. And JH pretty much sucks, on the otherside you can´t fail on excal since you have the alb zerg nooblings to farm. I have run with em it´s pretty much boring. Try to run fg in emain as alb and you get zerged by vgn primetime or some other hib guilds that zergs everything cause there´s a huge stupid alb zerg.

Then there´s odin where all the other alb groups that wishes to run fg goes but there´s so many of them that it´s a zerg anyway.

u r prolly right

Four savages works execellent on stupid people and hib caster groups. Your not gonna have the same fun against alb or hib melee groups though.

guess u havnt seen DH vid where they fight against RG and BCs fotm savage train!! ;D

 

[Kalba]

And JH pretty much sucks, on the otherside you can´t fail on excal since you have the alb zerg nooblings to farm.

Mr. Gryphon knight, do you have a f*cking clue?

I´ve played in JH and with them a lot. Their groups can take down anything. Get a clue mate, if you´re RR4 on excal you havent seen a thing.

Afaik most of time they run with healerspeed, 2 savas, zerk and warr. There´s 2 RR10 savas that have played long together, and they will only as a duo kill anything if you add a zerker to that...

On excal there´s a lot of noobies to farm yes, but there´s also quite a lot tough groups, like random Roleplayers and DH in hib, AD and FC in alb.

I made this thread originally to see the differences between excal and pryd RvR, there is a huge gap in between since on excalibur everyone would´ve said mid is the best, which it is in my opinion.

Funny thing is that no alb on excal would believe that a alb guild rules pryd RvR if you told em that


Goign to post this on excal RvR section now, let´s see what happens

 

[Mavl]

eh 4 savages? if we did so we would insta die get a clue about good group setups

need warrior for guard skald is nice for speed dd's dmg add fotg etc.

so we run 2 light tanks, were one often is zerker cause we need pf. so only 1 or 2 savages

shaman
healer(pac/mend)
healer(mend/aug)
healer(aug/mend)
savage
savage
savage
savage

Grp runs on healer spd + sprint. Doable setup with 4 savs. This isn't the best grp setup imo, but this grp aint gonna insta die either.

u r prolly right
guess u havnt seen DH vid where they fight against RG and BCs fotm savage train!! ;D

If i'm not mistaking it was just an extremely bad performance by mids there.

 

[Azurat]

guess u havnt seen DH vid where they fight against RG and BCs fotm savage train!! ;D

I have seen it, don´t really get what thoose healers are doing, in 2fg there should be at least someone that mocs when they see a good group like that.

 

[Azurat]

Mr. Gryphon knight, do you have a f*cking clue?

I´ve played in JH and with them a lot. Their groups can take down anything. Get a clue mate, if you´re RR4 on excal you havent seen a thing.

Afaik most of time they run with healerspeed, 2 savas, zerk and warr. There´s 2 RR10 savas that have played long together, and they will only as a duo kill anything if you add a zerker to that...

On excal there´s a lot of noobies to farm yes, but there´s also quite a lot tough groups, like random Roleplayers and DH in hib, AD and FC in alb.

I made this thread originally to see the differences between excal and pryd RvR, there is a huge gap in between since on excalibur everyone would´ve said mid is the best, which it is in my opinion.

Funny thing is that no alb on excal would believe that a alb guild rules pryd RvR if you told em that


Goign to post this on excal RvR section now, let´s see what happens

Well i might be only rr4 on excal but at least i have seen it to compare. I would say that FC accomplishes little for having so many high rrs and AD is still a bit low rrs to become really scary. High rr support helps a lot and makes a huge diffrence. There´s a reason so many gank guilds fails when they change server, they just don´t have the high rr it takes to fight the high rr groups on a new server. Therefor they get ganked over and over again and move back cause they just can´t stand getting ganked.

 

[Kalba]

Well i might be only rr4 on excal but at least i have seen it to compare. I would say that FC accomplishes little for having so many high rrs and AD is still a bit low rrs to become really scary. High rr support helps a lot and makes a huge diffrence. There´s a reason so many gank guilds fails when they change server, they just don´t have the high rr it takes to fight the high rr groups on a new server. Therefor they get ganked over and over again and move back cause they just can´t stand getting ganked.

You do know that when all savages were RR5 we beated 2fg high RR hibs?
(Yes overpowered savages, dont bring that argument to this, but they still pretty much killed anyone)

Back then most of the ppl were RR5-7 sushii and mumin RR5 afaik, Locuz was RR6 I think

JH owned since day one, altho I havent been it in ages

 

[Azurat]

Was this before asd nerf? and hibs should be easy with a mid group for all the good aoe ínterupt they have. And if you talk about vgn i can understand that they got beaten.

And rrs don´t matter that much for tanks really as for support. Just look at healers need 7l8 before you have all the actives and can take some passives.

 

[Kahland]

Why do you compare prydwen with excal ?

1 mill rps on excal = 100k on pryd.

It IS so easy to get rps on prydwen compared to excal.

 

[Korax]

this is my take on it and i play hib so make what you will of it

Fg v FG
Mid -easy
Hib - medium
Alb -hard

Realm V Realm and keep takes etc
Alb - easy
Mid - medium
Hib - hard
(this is specific from my experiences of Prydwen)

Stealth
Alb - easy
Hib - medium
Mid - hard

Thats more like it yeah, but why is hib hard on keep takes etc? How about dem animists? (the two of them)

thats fair enough, i'm just bitter on the point for 2 reasons, have a lvl 50 pally and spend way too long mezzed and unable to provide either of the 2 things i am in grp for if purge is down. Other reason is i play a druid and i find shammys to be the most annoying fecking char in the world once gp has been used, they just seem to perma interrupt me no matter where i run to, i end up slapping them with my sword just to get them to feck off for 30 secs so i can heal someone

Same here, only I have a warden without cure disease (givf toa with purging wave tbh).

 

[Escape]

Realm V Realm and keep takes etc
Alb - easy
Mid - medium
Hib - hard
(this is specific from my experiences of Prydwen)

Mids have alot more advantage when attacking a keep. If you're making balanced groups for a keep take etc, it might be different but the reality is mids have more AoE DoTs/Disease and GTAoE/volley with them. There's only one GTAoE-spec wizard I know of, Cabalists aren't played much and most scouts are camping some milegate or other

These things make a big difference in the final lordroom battle and mids have easier access to them.

 

[Konah]

mid's strongest group played by good players=very tough

mids=easymode: i won't bother with the loooong list of reasons why but will highlight disease and 4-5 seers in every grp. this certainly gives mids a head start.

if they can't play then they will still lose. but they shouldn't.

hibs=normalmode: about even with alb as long as u don't let them get 20% magic... hibs gonna be crying loudest when the other realms get GP too methinks

 

[Korax]

Why do you compare prydwen with excal ?

1 mill rps on excal = 100k on pryd.

It IS so easy to get rps on prydwen compared to excal.

I play on both servers and can tell you this.
Its not easier. In a anygiven fight you have about 50% chance of winning, notmatter what server. Other then that it is easier to get good FGvFG fights on pryd.

btw.
Exal last week RP = 116,529,981
Pryd last week RP = 66,511,465

Mid you can PL best in, hib 2nd and alb last.

nercos?
Also hib exp = tehs00k


PS. savage+healer grps = easy mode no matter how you look at it.

 

[Korax]

mids=easymode: i won't bother with the loooong list of reasons why but will highlight disease and 4-5 seers in every grp. this certainly gives mids a head start.

if they can't play then they will still lose. but they shouldn't.

hibs=normalmode: about even with alb as long as u don't let them get 20% magic... hibs gonna be crying loudest when the other realms get GP too methinks

Agree on that except the crying. Most are cheering for changes imo.
Well, I might be crying about mid getting same RAs as us when they are already easymode WITHOUT any RAs.

 

[Fluid]

NP best setup was 1 warrior, 1 skald, 1 savage 1 zerk last time i saw em on excal. And JH pretty much sucks, on the otherside you can´t fail on excal since you have the alb zerg nooblings to farm. I have run with em it´s pretty much boring. Try to run fg in emain as alb and you get zerged by vgn primetime or some other hib guilds that zergs everything cause there´s a huge stupid alb zerg.

Then there´s odin where all the other alb groups that wishes to run fg goes but there´s so many of them that it´s a zerg anyway.

Four savages works execellent on stupid people and hib caster groups. Your not gonna have the same fun against alb or hib melee groups though.

You have absoloutly no idea what you are talking about. The current NP setup is 2 savages 1 warrior 3 healers 1 shammy 1 skald. JH were never as good as NP but they certainly never sucked, they abused overpowered classes and abused them well. VGN is lucky to be field 1fg lately. 4 savage setup happened for like 2 days in JH, i've never seen it from NP. The last time i saw vgn in 2fg was around 3 months ago.

 

[nuky]

i wish people would stop saying mid is easy mode.

most of the people i know ingame DONT play savages, simply because they dont have time to level up every fotm class. a lot of them are however thanes (probably the most gimped class in the game? ) /runies/zerkers etc etc.

need to take ur head out of ur ass and realise the game isnt all about the leetirchangaboutgankgroups and a lot of mids have it as hard if not harder than the other realms.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

From what I've seen on Pryd, the only thing that Mid have which is 'easy mode' is the willingness of players to forgo being the pwnz0r deathspamz0rs and log on a support toon so that the group will do better. Not always, but often.

From their own admission, few Albs are willing to do this, and just about every class in Hib can heal anyway (well ok, lots of them anyway ).

I think the attitude of the various realms can be summed up thus:

Alb: We are the shining heroes! We will conquer all! WTF! We lost! Can't be because of something we did wrong! Waddya mean you need clerics in groups? Overpowered Mids! Overpowered Hibs! Overpowered er, oh, thats the lot.

Hib: Sneak sneak sneak sneak outnumbered sneak sneak sneak yay stragglers kill kill kill sneak sneak sneak sneak sneak sneak OMG a zerg pbae them lads! Die fighting! Ah bollocks I'm not spending all that time running back to Emain.

Mid: SMISH! /release SMISH! /release SMISH /release SMISH /release SMISH /release...

 

[Gahlzor]

And you are lvl 41 :s

42 FYI

 

[Gahlzor]

To Gahlzor: Perhaps you should get 50 before you can say you´re seeing it from mid point of wiev? Since that´s pretty much a hib caster group wiev, mids killing it easy, albs having a struggle cause of just one amnesia spammer.

fyi hib ain't just castergroups. just so you know.

 

[Azurat]

You have absoloutly no idea what you are talking about. The current NP setup is 2 savages 1 warrior 3 healers 1 shammy 1 skald. JH were never as good as NP but they certainly never sucked, they abused overpowered classes and abused them well. VGN is lucky to be field 1fg lately. 4 savage setup happened for like 2 days in JH, i've never seen it from NP. The last time i saw vgn in 2fg was around 3 months ago.

The lan group they had most certainly had a zerk, it was hitting my sorc. The idea though is that they use a warrior for guard which makes em a lot stronger then 4 savages against albs. True it´s gonna butcher hib caster groups but they should have mayor problems against albs.

Before christmas it was the common thing to see 2fg vgn or 2fg of any hibs at the same time if you even made it past amg.

 

[Azurat]

fyi hib ain't just castergroups. just so you know.

I know but if you ran a hib melee group should have mayor problems against albs that know how to play.

 

[Remem]

Mr. Gryphon knight, do you have a f*cking clue?

I´ve played in JH and with them a lot. Their groups can take down anything. Get a clue mate, if you´re RR4 on excal you havent seen a thing.

Afaik most of time they run with healerspeed, 2 savas, zerk and warr. There´s 2 RR10 savas that have played long together, and they will only as a duo kill anything if you add a zerker to that...

On excal there´s a lot of noobies to farm yes, but there´s also quite a lot tough groups, like random Roleplayers and DH in hib, AD and FC in alb.

I made this thread originally to see the differences between excal and pryd RvR, there is a huge gap in between since on excalibur everyone would´ve said mid is the best, which it is in my opinion.

Funny thing is that no alb on excal would believe that a alb guild rules pryd RvR if you told em that


Goign to post this on excal RvR section now, let´s see what happens

If you think FC is hard u have probably not done right . Go read manual again m8 :]

 

[tilde]

NP's optimal setup is 3healers, 1warr, 1sham, 1skald, 1sav, 1zerk.

Only using 2sav if zzang isnt on basically

 

[Huntingtons]

i wish people would stop saying mid is easy mode.

most of the people i know ingame DONT play savages, simply because they dont have time to level up every fotm class. a lot of them are however thanes (probably the most gimped class in the game? ) /runies/zerkers etc etc.

need to take ur head out of ur ass and realise the game isnt all about the leetirchangaboutgankgroups and a lot of mids have it as hard if not harder than the other realms.

then people should stop talking about RA's too, or classes in generally, then what would be left to talk about?

try lvl a wiz solo, or a merc (as in zerker) or any classes solo, thanes work fine i grp if they spec shields, and zerkers for melee dmg

 

[Hotrats]

JH owned since day one, altho I havent been it in ages

JH sucked at low RR, I didn't even think anything of them until one day, when the savages got ~rr5 and killed me in 3 quads in under 3 seconds and then their healers started spamming asd all the time, enabling the entire group to quickly rise to rr8+ before the nerfs finally came down on them (where are JH now? ).
Their most recent setup I think was 4 healers 1 shammy 3 tanks (usually all savages, sometimes 2 sav and 1 warrior).

As for balance mids definately had it very easy last patch before the savage fix, since then I have yet to fight any really good mid groups, lost I think a couple of fg vs fg, but both times were very close fights. Going on that basis given that either bof or sos is up albs will give mids a good fight, landing first mezz should be done by albs 90% of the time, when albs get jumped things are a lot harder if SoS is down.

Hibs; well pbae groups are still just as hard this patch, main problem is hibs on excal have the 20% power/heal bonus. Without this bonus and if the pets were fixed (didn't always have perma speed, grey pets had penetratable bt and less chance to interupt) and if DPS DEBUFF !!! was fixed I would say things were pretty even between albs and hibs.
Main problem is if hibs have absolute every RA up they are pretty much unbeatable, almost every RA in the hib group helps them to win a fight. This may well all change in frontiers

 

[vintervargen]

ya'all seem to think all hibs play caster groups.

just wanted to say that hib tank grp is (should be if you fight good grps) hard mode vs most balanced FGs.

 

[vintervargen]

Hibs; well pbae groups are still just as hard this patch, main problem is hibs on excal have the 20% power/heal bonus. Without this bonus and if the pets were fixed (didn't always have perma speed, grey pets had penetratable bt and less chance to interupt) and if DPS DEBUFF !!! was fixed I would say things were pretty even between albs and hibs.
Main problem is if hibs have absolute every RA up they are pretty much unbeatable, almost every RA in the hib group helps them to win a fight. This may well all change in frontiers

may i ask how you do vs hib tank groups, without pbaoe and DPS debuff, with bof + sos?

 

[Fluid]

The lan group they had most certainly had a zerk, it was hitting my sorc. The idea though is that they use a warrior for guard which makes em a lot stronger then 4 savages against albs. True it´s gonna butcher hib caster groups but they should have mayor problems against albs.

Before christmas it was the common thing to see 2fg vgn or 2fg of any hibs at the same time if you even made it past amg.

the perfect NP grp is zzang, cougar, soruu, xanatea, stubbe, medde, tivook, they have struggled to get good shammy lately but now recruited enedi who is very good. I said CURRENT np grp earlier, and zzang isn't in it lately cos he's busy irl with work (i think it was work xana said). As for 2fg vgn/hibs before xmas, that was over 2 months ago, things change very quickly on excal.

 

[pez]

From what I've seen on Pryd, the only thing that Mid have which is 'easy mode' is the willingness of players to forgo being the pwnz0r deathspamz0rs and log on a support toon so that the group will do better. Not always, but often.

its true albs hate playing support classes but thats because their support class options are generally alot more mundane than the other realms, they are basically one trick ponies with not much else to do. Sorcs mez, clerics heal. i realise for some this is enough and they enjoy those classes, and thats great but take healing for example. If healing isn't enough to have fun with in mid then you make a aug healer/pac healer or shammy. in hib if its not enough you make a nature druid or maybe bard or warden. if its not enough fun in alb you make... a friar... and you never group in rvr again

 

[Asty]

JH sucked at low RR, I didn't even think anything of them until one day, when the savages got ~rr5 and killed me in 3 quads in under 3 seconds and then their healers started spamming asd all the time, enabling the entire group to quickly rise to rr8+ before the nerfs finally came down on them

Fyi, Mumin and Locuz dinged rr7 in Red Guard (if i remember correctly)