Where is Midgard on Prydwen going ?

[Rayko]

typical turning out in a whine thread again, don't even bother reading them all tho... watch the signature and you'll know what realm they'll be whining about

on-topic: 100% agree with the thread starter, however it's too late to do anything about it

 

[Bubble]

If theres no 'RvR' guilds around? what happened to them? did they all give up when NF came out? some people vanished literaly that day...

 

[Bibi]

lol and what do u think alb is full of rvr guilds?
NOT RLY!
cry more and dont (never ever) adapt pls
rly easier

Niceone, noob
And whay i see that u have rerolled from mid to alb Get a clue and skills, then come back to talk me about crying, noob ( love that remish word to use on noobs )

 

[Dreami]

"I think most dedicated RvR guilds choosed midgard because it was going to be a challenge"

HihHIHihIEHiHIEHiEHiEHiHEIhIHEihIHAIhiHAiaHIAHiHAaHAhHAhahAhaHA!!!!!1!

Rofffflee

 

[Aldrick]

If theres no 'RvR' guilds around? what happened to them? did they all give up when NF came out? some people vanished literaly that day...

Didnt see anyone "vanish" that day, all tried to play and first days it was great, everyone was roaming etc, but then all started with keeptakes and running in zergs all the time and there was nothing left to fight so i guess they got bored. Its still too much running in zergs imo to be really fun in rvr, i just hope that there is enough fg:s out there that wanna have fg vs fg fights withouth adds and find the fun in that, since if it keeps going on like this i doubt there will be much left to fight in a month or two. And i dont blaim ppl that are rvr inexperienced to run in 2fg or so, but when ppl are very experienced and still do that then its just boring to fight.

 

[harm]

I spent all time getting realm ranks and master levels in one class I now find either boring or useless. Personally that's what killed my encouragement, and starting the threadmill again doesen't tempt. The only fun I have for the time being is with a friends account - it's really sad. I'm sure more of you have the same feeling

 

[Ilum]

Yes, Mystics are good in open field. In keep fights they bring nothing to the table that their counterparts doesn't do just as well. Problem is, that the counterparts also have something more to give them the edge (sorcs/theurgists/animists).

I fail to see your point though Chimaira. A spiritmaster still can't cast when perma interrupted by a sorceror he cannot reach himself.

They don't bring anything to the table?

As far as ranged attacks go, a runemaster is better than any other class. Access to the bes spec dd, access to bolts, access to debuff nukes, access to nearsight. What else do you want?
As far as PBAE goes, Spiritmaster is better than anyone. Highest delve and has a pet to protect him from stuff than can kill / interrupt him. And has str/con debuff as well to make pb'ing even more effective.
Bonedancers got great bombs which rocks vs zergs. As well as that, they got healers, decent range attacks and can interrupt like fuck with Banelord. Oh and insta lifetap is pretty handy as well..

 

[Yma]

Access to the bes spec dd, access to bolts, access to debuff nukes, access to nearsight. What else do you want?

A warlock, and enough mids left when Catacombs will come. Send us postcards from the frontier while we wait !

 

[Bhalage]

Niceone, noob
And whay i see that u have rerolled from mid to alb Get a clue and skills, then come back to talk me about crying, noob ( love that remish word to use on noobs )

lol such fotm reroll healer -> cleric (are u on drugz?) id be active in mid but guild went inactive, you know BC guys hated keeptake sh*t or/and started to play WoW or/and reached rr11 etc m8. eos.

keep on crying >< thats where you rox

ps: "get some clue and skills" lol, same to you imo

 

[Malimbar]

well

1.71 will be a changing point in Mid's fortunes there no reason to doubt, yes the numbers are very low at the moment but that is still no reason to jump ship or be all doom and gloom. Keep takes by hib at the start of NF dident begin with the formation of a BG they always began with 1-2 people taking a Tower the rest of the hibs see this and slowly a force begins to muster within the tower. At the beginning mid responded quickly as time passed the responce time slowed and keep walls were being dmg'ed the flame would appear and then a BG would be made and the keep battle was on.

1.71 when enemy relics are stored outside the Relic wall will mean its down to a 1 keep fight for the return of a mid relic. If its a planned 5+ fg's taking the keep or a day long fight if doesent matter, the point is the possibility of it. The glory days of OF with mid rulling Emain are gone and will be a long long time before they return, if ever. Within the month of january i will have a temp RvR set made and i will be start to annoying the hell out of alb and hib, the same way i was taking mid and alb towers and keeps for Hib.

Someone said earlier in the thread that no one would move from hib/alb to mid, well i did and hib had the relics at the time, mad wasent i.

All mid needs is 4-5 peeps to start taking towers and dmg'ing walls for keep takes and mid rvr will start to evolve again with practice and perserverence mid can make a comeback. People just have to get used to the fact that they will be wiped out ALOT. The main aim at the beginning should not be to win the war but to re learn how to play as a minor realm which is what mid now is. Every tower take and enemy keep dmg'ed is a little step towards that goal.

If your bored dont roll another alt or play another game, grab a friend or 2 and a war ram between yous and get to alb/hib and take a tower and start trebing the keep wall and the rvr will come to you.

as i said earlier once i am semi ready i will be gathering a few people and we will start to take towers and dmg keeps in both enemy realms, i just hope the remaining mids get their main chars dusted off and come and try to join in the fun.

You've got at least one decent leader on Mid because he recently left Hib.

Still looking forward to seeing ya across the battlefield or in this case the keep wall

 

[Zapsi]

They don't bring anything to the table?

As far as ranged attacks go, a runemaster is better than any other class. Access to the bes spec dd, access to bolts, access to debuff nukes, access to nearsight. What else do you want?QUOTE]

Wouldnt say better just different, eld has just as many options 2x debuff stun mess ns pbae bolt snare dd (aoe) but no speed so but still pick a sorz first LT > dd imo

 

[Yma]

Someone said earlier in the thread that no one would move from hib/alb to mid, well i did and hib had the relics at the time, mad wasent i.

Well, good luck for your mission, it's nice to see a positive attitude today. As for myself, I just hope there will still be a realm to fight for by then - if so, well, we'll meet often in the frontier.

 

[bigchief]

Where did you see a PBAE specced SM?
Think there are like 2 active RvRing?

saw 3 earlier camping bled bridge with 5 BD's and 7 hunters.

 

[Prospero]

I am curious why nobody has mentioned WoW yet. Whatever your opinion about that game is, it WILL absorb players from DAOC. Going by the current state of Midgard it's all the more tempting to just move to another game. I know for certain that the remaining KN players and most of the remaining Mael players will cancel their account the day WoW comes out in Europe. If you think Mid numbers are low atm then just wait until WoW is here ...

Something else: the fact that Europe is back 4-6 month behind US doesn't make it any better. Any Mid who is hoping for better times KNOWS that it will take a year until any major changes will make it to Europe. In that time you can really just start over in albion, even with the necessary TOA grind.

 

[Etzel]

I think WoW will actually work in Mid/Hibs favour, the % loss in theory will hurt Alb more it just depends if we manage to hang on to enough RvR capable players to field a decent offence.

 

[Zede]

So, you are in all honestly saying that you think Mids have an easier time defending a keep than albs/hibs? I think you just lost all credibility you might have had.

For hibs, shrooms is a benefit. It's not the end of the world, but a nice benefit as they can get higher than 1500 range using the shroooms.

For albs, sorcs -is- the end of the world. Two sorcs standing at max range can easily keep down a tower or battlement in itself. Meanwhile the caster assist trains can stand in the 1500+10% range picking out any caster foolish enough to try and go out for a quick qc+bolt.

The bolt range mezz is less a problem for hibs as they can shroom up to push the albs back. Mids cannot do this.


True, those guilds you mention do quite well. I often see AoD as part of the zerg. Certain gank groups in mids refuse to coordinate to squish the AoD fg's (24+ players) running around. The situation might improve if the mid attitude changed on that particular area.


As has been discussed several times on this board previously, this is a lie. Mids and Hibs -cannot- do this on itself. Only reavers can drop Agony and instantly heal up again with Soul Quench (while doing even more damage). Once again, stop blindfolding yourself and spread your uninformed lies.


Yes, Animists are powerful in a keep siege, no doubt. Directly hinting that they cheat (as opposite of 'honest') just shows your own attitude and willingness to look at the bigger picture. Animists play the class as they are intented. Just like Reavers that intention will get slightly changed in the coming patch - we just have to cope until then.


That is perhaps the only thing you posted that wasn't misinformed, ignorant or a direct lie.

Yes, Mids needs to reorganize. We can only hope it happens sooner than later. I do belive though, that many cannot be bothered until we get some of the changes in coming patches - patches that show Mythic acknowledge Albions current supremacy (population and class wise).

Until then, enjoy your christmas time and take pride in what you can accomplish while playing on favoured odds. Odds that gets slightly lowered in the coming patches.

Come Catacombs and Warlocks, mids might even be able to compete in the range warfare. At least until the 42% (as per Brites post) of the Dark Age of Camelot population whines that they are on more even odds when competing.

rather than picking apart your reply - I will just point out a few things, that are in your post not true.

FACT - AoD do not run as you say "with 24+ people" - thats utter bolox

Tell me, APART from reaver bombs, which wont be problem next patch, please please please tell me why albs have an advantage - as I said previously in the nitty gritty of charging the lords room - surly you dont mean the oddles of Armsman that are part of every zerg ? How the hell can sorc bolt mez be of ANY use when your actually in a keep ?

you complain about numbers - far as I am aware, hibs are the underpopulted realm on this server. Maybe, just maybe your you will remeber the last 2 feckin years and how surpressed hibs were - they survived, they(& fungal friends) now kick ass on our server.

to quote someone once :

Mids have gone from Supreme Masters to being Server Bitch

Mid had it so good for sooo long in RvR - you dont like it now the tables are turned ! yes yes your problem is fotm quitters, but all realms have had the same problems.

 

[Dumle]

saw 3 earlier camping bled bridge with 5 BD's and 7 hunters.

DAMN! I missed one
Pretty sure it was someones PLbot that he dragged there cause he had no other caster

As far as ranged attacks go, a runemaster is better than any other class. Access to the bes spec dd, access to bolts, access to debuff nukes, access to nearsight.

Access to yes, but how the hell do you expect to spec to get that
You either have bolts and debuff DD grey Nearsight, hard spec DD and green/blue nearsight and ONE unspecced (Hoooooge variance) bolt or you have red nearsight and the oh so valuable pbt, not to forget and crap nukes.

PS. That was an ungodly long sentance, hehe

 

[Quetz]

I think WoW will actually work in Mid/Hibs favour, the % loss in theory will hurt Alb more it just depends if we manage to hang on to enough RvR capable players to field a decent offence.

That is one way of looking at it, however I suspect that the players that will be more inclined to leave will be those that are in the realm that is not having fun or is losing players hand over fist anyway. WoW wasn't a game I was interested in playing, however, its much more appealing than paying for accounts on a relatively inactive realm. The numbers might show mid having more active players than Hib atm, but I'm willing to bet that the /played time of those players is less than that of Hib players.

Midgardians knew times were going to get tough come NF, it is no surprise. Tough times means more disillusioned players and WoW is an easier (and possibly more fun) option than trying to 'stick at it' for another 6-9 months before anything is done to sort out Midgard. Of those players left in Mid atm I'd estimate that around half are just hanging around until WoW EU is out, so what will happen then to the remaining players?

@Zede
Very rarely do I meet AoD when they are running just 8ppl, most often they are found with 2,3,4 or more other groups. While they are as entitled to play this game how they like as anyone else is, you saying they don't run with 24+ (even occasionally) is just rubbish.

 

[Dumle]

rather than picking apart your reply - I will just point out a few things, that are in your post not true.

FACT - AoD do not run as you say "with 24+ people" - thats utter bolox

Tell me, APART from reaver bombs, which wont be problem next patch, please please please tell me why albs have an advantage - as I said previously in the nitty gritty of charging the lords room - surly you dont mean the oddles of Armsman that are part of every zerg ? How the hell can sorc bolt mez be of ANY use when your actually in a keep ?

you complain about numbers - far as I am aware, hibs are the underpopulted realm on this server. Maybe, just maybe your you will remeber the last 2 feckin years and how surpressed hibs were - they survived, they(& fungal friends) now kick ass on our server.

to quote someone once :

Mids have gone from Supreme Masters to being Server Bitch

Mid had it so good for sooo long in RvR - you dont like it now the tables are turned ! yes yes your problem is fotm quitters, but all realms have had the same problems.

Just one question to start... Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us?


#1. AoD does alot of the time run as a single 8man gankgroup that is true, and atm a damn succesful one at that. However they are no strangers to helping out their realmmates when need be, hence why they are spotted in the zergs and with the history they have the zerg will then ofcourse be called "the AoD fg". Take it as a compliment that you stick out so much in a zerg that they name it after you


#2. YOU talked about healers AE instas being so UBER in defense, but you DO know that they are on a 10-15 min (dont remember which, hehe) timer right?
The SORC however has a QC, QC=Quick Cast=Not being able to be disturbed when casting=the 10-15 Sorcs, that seems to be mandatory in every zerg nowadays, can With no problem at all mess everyone inside the keep if they choose and the cleric has a clue where the Spreadhealbutton is.

BTW. QC is on 30s timer, insta on 10-15 min, do the math m8.

And yes, the fact that you sneer at the meleers that actually go out with the zerg when taking keeps tells me you are either retarded or dont understand the havoc that meleeclasses actually can cause when finally inside the keep.
In case you dont know casters live on RANGE, inside a tower (small place) there isnt much of that, space that is.
Use the greycells and tell me what a grp of meleers with a cpl healers can accomplish to all the clothwearing "Squishy" targets inside a tower if given the chance?
Yeah good boy, thats right, alot of dead casters, because 1. Swings dont get interrupted. 2.Swings dont run out of power, (its called endchant, paladins have it ^^) 3. Tanks have more hp so easier to heal 4.count in MLs, such as banelord which 2 of your tanks have access to then you have the best interrupters/killers in a confined space.

And yeah, mid is the tankrealm, however as we hardly ever even get into the tower in the first place we cant do this hehe
Besides, I see more HIBtanks than I do Midtanks (Except the ones soloing around brynja bridge) in RvR atm.

Use your brain before talking please, if there is anywhere tanks are good in NF it is INSIDE keeps and towers

#3. Yes hibs made a comeback, good for them and I love seeing hibs back out again. However we still dont see a time where mids will return in the horizon over there called US patching hence our concern for our beloved realm.

#4. Yeah mids had it good in RvR for a long time on prydwen. Or atleast the dedicated RvR GGs had because in OF with skill+classes midgrps could really own.
Mid Randomgroups howeverd had about the same chance against another group as any other realms Randomgroups.

When you talk about "Mid superiority" and whatnot remember one thing, the grps owning Emain, I mean really owning, were mostly, 90% of the time our elite set GGs that were extremely successful.
The picture everyone has about Mid being so incredibly OP is I think much because Mid Up til now has had LOADS of succesful RvR guilds running 1-3 grps/Guild. Meaning at one time there could be as many as 5-6 opted, high RR, experienced Mid GGs out running in emain (small area) owning everything.

Albs had 1-2? Hibs had 2-3? I mean total.

 

[Zede]

That is one way of looking at it, however I suspect that the players that will be more inclined to leave will be those that are in the realm that is not having fun or is losing players hand over fist anyway. WoW wasn't a game I was interested in playing, however, its much more appealing than paying for accounts on a relatively inactive realm. The numbers might show mid having more active players than Hib atm, but I'm willing to bet that the /played time of those players is less than that of Hib players.

Midgardians knew times were going to get tough come NF, it is no surprise. Tough times means more disillusioned players and WoW is an easier (and possibly more fun) option than trying to 'stick at it' for another 6-9 months before anything is done to sort out Midgard. Of those players left in Mid atm I'd estimate that around half are just hanging around until WoW EU is out, so what will happen then to the remaining players?

@Zede
Very rarely do I meet AoD when they are running just 8ppl, most often they are found with 2,3,4 or more other groups. While they are as entitled to play this game how they like as anyone else is, you saying they don't run with 24+ (even occasionally) is just rubbish.

then you are utterly dillusional. I have a 400 gigs of hd space. just to prove you are totally wrong i may just fraps an entire night of an AoD grp, to prove to you and all the whining mids how wrong you are.

 

[Ilum]

Access to yes, but how the hell do you expect to spec to get that
You either have bolts and debuff DD grey Nearsight, hard spec DD and green/blue nearsight and ONE unspecced (Hoooooge variance) bolt or you have red nearsight and the oh so valuable pbt, not to forget and crap nukes.

PS. That was an ungodly long sentance, hehe

You can't get everything no, but let's take the Darkness spec and Runecarving spec...

A runecarver (47rc/22darkness/11sup) gets a gray nearsight, which is still a nice tool. They also get bolts, and debuff nukes. As well as GTAE. And single debuffs. I'd like to see a class that's better at ranged battles in the other realms...

A darkness (47 dark/25 sup or sthin) gets the best spec DD in game as well as a nearsight good enough to make his nuke far better range than the bolts of others. Also gets a gimp bolt which is handy now and then.

Wizards only get bolts+nukes. Theurgists only get pets+nukes, which have shorter range than nearsight, and use time to affect the target (and ice pets only works if you have LOS). Cabalists get DD and nearsight. Sorcerers get bolt range mez, amnesia, and a DD. Light eldritch gets DD and nearsight. Chanter has DD. Void Eldritch has bolt and gimp nearsight.

In both keeps and open area fighting, Midgard is still a very strong realm.

 

[Dumle]

You can't get everything no, but let's take the Darkness spec and Runecarving spec...

A runecarver (47rc/22darkness/11sup) gets a gray nearsight, which is still a nice tool. They also get bolts, and debuff nukes. As well as GTAE. And single debuffs. I'd like to see a class that's better at ranged battles in the other realms...

A darkness (47 dark/25 sup or sthin) gets the best spec DD in game as well as a nearsight good enough to make his nuke far better range than the bolts of others. Also gets a gimp bolt which is handy now and then.

Wizards only get bolts+nukes. Theurgists only get pets+nukes, which have shorter range than nearsight, and use time to affect the target (and ice pets only works if you have LOS). Cabalists get DD and nearsight. Sorcerers get bolt range mez, amnesia, and a DD. Light eldritch gets DD and nearsight. Chanter has DD. Void Eldritch has bolt and gimp nearsight.

In both keeps and open area fighting, Midgard is still a very strong realm.

Yes I agree with you in that Runies are a very strong class, infact I LOVE it and wouldnt trade it for any other nukerclass to play. But thats me
However I dont have any bolts as I have always been darkspec, everyone told me it was gimped, but look at them now FOTMers

Darkcarverspec is 48 RC not 47 tho (not that it matters) and for keeps it is good, but there is no caster atm that can measure up to sorcs and everyone knows it.

Oh you forgot to mention that Sorcs gets an AE Root and messdampening as well, depending on how they spec
Not to mention petcharm, ooh how I would love a pet on my runie, dont care if its a grey puppy to feed and love, GIVE ME A PET FFS ^^

 

[Quetz]

then you are utterly dillusional. I have a 400 gigs of hd space. just to prove you are totally wrong i may just fraps an entire night of an AoD grp, to prove to you and all the whining mids how wrong you are.

Do what you like, all i'm saying is that when High RR enemy groups run in 2+ groups all your doing is making a bad situation worse. Shame you can't spend a few nights in RvR as a Hib or Mid, then I think you will get the picture. Maybe I am dillusional and the 2 remaining nights our guild group runs each week just happen to be the 2 nights that AoD run with one or more groups as backup. This is a thread about the state of Mid atm, not another AoD whine thread, think everyone outside of AoD knows the story by now, plenty of threads on it already no need for another imo.

 

[Joor]

Godt nytår!

 

[Dumle]

Godt nytår!

Wrong thread? This is where we "whine"

Anyway, right back at ya m8

 

[Uberlama]

then you are utterly dillusional. I have a 400 gigs of hd space. just to prove you are totally wrong i may just fraps an entire night of an AoD grp, to prove to you and all the whining mids how wrong you are.

Leave them m8, u can show them anything, u can tell them to ask mids who were playing with us in alb about how we rvring, its all useless. They always will see what they want. U can not change them. If they like to whine so they feel better let them doing it and just laugh cos its a game afterall.

 

[Sycho]

Wizards only get bolts+nukes.

Aoe snare, aoe root and dots too just that no one really specs high earth but the low level aoe snare can be quite nice.

 

[Tuppe]

They don't bring anything to the table?

As far as ranged attacks go, a runemaster is better than any other class. Access to the bes spec dd, access to bolts, access to debuff nukes, access to nearsight. What else do you want?
As far as PBAE goes, Spiritmaster is better than anyone. Highest delve and has a pet to protect him from stuff than can kill / interrupt him. And has str/con debuff as well to make pb'ing even more effective.
Bonedancers got great bombs which rocks vs zergs. As well as that, they got healers, decent range attacks and can interrupt like fuck with Banelord. Oh and insta lifetap is pretty handy as well..

rune master have best spec dd?
do you mean rc lines 3 sec dd? when other is having 2.6sec?
dont albs have bolts? wizard have 3.
debuff nukes? ns? all 3 realms have these, rm have allso but in 3 different lines.

sm has maybe best looking pbaeo but need spec allso highest, and if sm have this highest pbaeo? what else sm bring to rvr? lifetap like sorc? aeroot + aemezz like sorc? best nuker is atm sorc hands down, including insane utility.
reaverbomb ding any bell? i guess nobody yet heard anything like bonedancer bomb
insta lifetap? necro has allso and 3 sec recast timer comparing bones 4 sec, + who is better in pve? necro or bone? hmm let me see, hard to say i guess

 

[Martok]

TBH mids are finaly getting there just due's i remeber just pre ToA and 90% of ToA before NF arrived i couldnt get more then 3 min out from APK without being steamrolled by 2+ fg's of mids with more camping amg.

Mids got it hard now HO FUCKING RAY tbh alb have had it hard but HIBS have had it the hardest they have had to fight hard every inch of the way for the last 3 year's.

Mids are no longer instant win yay yes its now not even either but gues what thats life, soon the battlefeilds will be more even with the soon up and comming nerf's (balences as mythic call them)

Ok so you are finding it hard with the mass loss of players all realms did for a while most have found a way to adapt. im not saying mids havnt tryed but tbh you need to TRY harder. OK you moan about alb numbers and hibs shrooms but end of the day the shrooms build up the numbers for the hibs to = proportions. Mids just need to get the whole realm to help with there objectives like alb has done in OF RvR guilds would rarley help with main alb objectives but now they will help acheive any objective the whole realm goes for they dont like running in the zerg but will assist as it benifits the realm and have adapted there play styles to that. The mid RvR guilds needed to do the same but they didnt they stuck to the OF way of life and died. Thats what they get for not being flexiable and unfortunatly this attitude as you mids stated yourselves has hurt the realm in a large way. In time Mid will recover and soon be back out in RvR and killing there far share of the enamy realms.

/whine over

 

[Tuppe]

did you read upper posts?
i have run in rog groups OF and guess how many time we win against example PE?
every 3 realms rog groups allmost 100% sure loosed to other 2 realms fotm groups.


making new class in midgard? personally no need, but i checked how it looks mid/lancelot.
after we made 1st char there, mainly targeted to rvr, suddenly we notice need make new chars so we can run thru ML steps, after short time people notice we all need run ml steps 3-4 time, 1 time peeps are playing tanks so other casters get ml steps, next time who played casters needed play tanks, needed alott healers, shammys.
same VoS guide to other 2 realms,
albs did this whit minst and salamander + 3 other peep,
hibs whit 2 animist and rest whatever
mids had 2fg and still hard time.