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Hadess
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So what are we suppose to do?
So what are we suppose to do?
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old.Gombur Glodson
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Wouldn't HDS be able to make just one 1fg of experienced hib players?
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Falcon
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Go to Odin's or Hadrian's too.
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/me hands Dook five bucks 
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Originally posted by - Pathfinder -
/me hands Dook five bucks
/em slaps Path
SHHHHHHH!
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LoE are doing exactly the same thing - tired of being in zergs we often are in 2 - 3 full grps going round emain but seperately with a cg open to communicate between all 2 - 3 groups although at the minute we seem to be grouping a lot more with our alliance mates SotL and taking stuff out that way as well. Glad you got your house back in hadrians Boney
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huh? what? no way dude! all rumours!!!!1
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Jonaldo
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Gombur you know we can... we used to do it often, only Abion would then bring 3fg, then 4fg, then 5fg etc....
hell 1fg of albs ran from me and me alone when I played regularly..
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Jonaldo
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these days... more, just not on christmas holidays when people are away with families/friends or out getting drunk most nights, we're a mostly adult guild.
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old.Kian
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I'm pretty sure HDS can... and I'm well aware that Guardians of Somnaire do field 1 or 2 FG of level 50s on a regular basis, at least since we added a high level bard or two (traditionally been our guild's weakness). You'll know you've met us when you've been mezzed by Idiurian, hammered flat by Maha and Eyaslashy, skewered by myself and Tantalon and blasted off the face of the earth by Elanza (to pick a few names out of the hat).
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old.Gombur Glodson
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1fg vs rest if fun, im beginning to hate running in 2fg.
As long as the other realms dont zerg
As long as the other realms dont zerg
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Originally posted by Brannor McThife
ROFL @ a SotL tank whinging about being "zerged". I see 2 people in your group SF, the other person is dead, and you still have all your buffs... buffbot lamer.
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You should read what I post, before you post your crap, really.
Pathetic little shit.
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and hadess:
we are always~ 8,can't remember when we were 9 or 10.
we are always~ 8,can't remember when we were 9 or 10.
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Brannor McThife
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Did you read mine? Notice the
Little bit touchy there SF, bad day on Camlann? :touch:
You missed some fun on the test server tonight.
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Originally posted by Brannor McThife
Did you read mine? Notice the
Little bit touchy there SF, bad day on Camlann? :touch:
You missed some fun on the test server tonight.
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I don't play Camlann? nor would I like to join you in your "fun"
and yes I read yours, and your icon's really don't mean anything to me. bugger off.
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Brannor McThife
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Your signature says otherwise...
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Ok, let's take it at face value, that Albs don't intentionally zerg and that there are several independant teams of 1-3FG. However, usually there's several such teams in the same zone at once and they rapidly dash to the scene of any fight, creating the effect of a zerg, even if unintentionally. Hibs do sometimes have enough numbers to fight one team of Albs, but nearly always they are hit by another Alb force (or Mids instead) before they can recover or make a swift escape. Most Hibs give up after a few runs and log because who wants to to keep doing all that group formation and running for a few minutes of combat? And if we do try and go elsewhere (Odins, Hadrians, Sauvage etc) it's usually hard to find any opposition, resulting in boredom, a return to Emain, getting zerged and logging.
Personally I'm almost through with the game and just hanging in there to see if SI changes anything. The poor state of RvR on Prydwen has killed the game for me. From my own perspective I feel that Albs are primarily responsible for the death of good RvR on Prydwen. Sorry if you feel that's unjust, but I'm just saying how it feels for me. I usually enjoy fighting Mids. Mids seem to put together more varied groups in terms of size, composition and ability and usually provide an enjoyable fight. Albs seem to just powerplay and rarely provide a fair or balanced fight - it's always either a total zerg with a silly numerical advantage (whether Emain or keep offence/defence) or it's tightly-knit guild/cronie teams packed with hardcore players and always at least 1FG of casters. And whatever the fight, lurking somewhwere close by is always a horde of infis. And let's not even go there where buffbots are concerned.
Why can't all realms try RvR'ing elsewhere than Emain and try splitting into 2FG maximum - and I mean a GENUINE maximum where you are the only 2FG from your realm in any given ZONE. It would be a lot more fun for everyone.
Not going to happen though is it? Seems Prydwen is heading towards being a two horse race with Hibs providing occasional cameos. End result is a lot less fun for all realms.
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Personally I'm almost through with the game and just hanging in there to see if SI changes anything. The poor state of RvR on Prydwen has killed the game for me. From my own perspective I feel that Albs are primarily responsible for the death of good RvR on Prydwen. Sorry if you feel that's unjust, but I'm just saying how it feels for me. I usually enjoy fighting Mids. Mids seem to put together more varied groups in terms of size, composition and ability and usually provide an enjoyable fight. Albs seem to just powerplay and rarely provide a fair or balanced fight - it's always either a total zerg with a silly numerical advantage (whether Emain or keep offence/defence) or it's tightly-knit guild/cronie teams packed with hardcore players and always at least 1FG of casters. And whatever the fight, lurking somewhwere close by is always a horde of infis. And let's not even go there where buffbots are concerned.
Why can't all realms try RvR'ing elsewhere than Emain and try splitting into 2FG maximum - and I mean a GENUINE maximum where you are the only 2FG from your realm in any given ZONE. It would be a lot more fun for everyone.
Not going to happen though is it? Seems Prydwen is heading towards being a two horse race with Hibs providing occasional cameos. End result is a lot less fun for all realms.
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Lochlyessa
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Heh.. can just see it.. someone standing on sauv pad, /yelling "nono, you can't go to emain, they've got 2 fg's there already!"
..or not
I do see what you mean about RvR becoming a 2 horse race though, but then you blame albs?
If hibs perhaps came to emain regularly, instead of coming, dying to a zerg/balanced group, whining bout zergs/caster groups/price of fish, then logging or going on pve raids at 50(yes, i see the point of this, getting items to use on.. more pve raids!) then maybe a) albs and mids wouldnt camp the mgs so much, meaning more running fights in emain, b)hibs getting regular groups that know each other, and can rival the other realms guild groups and c)less hib whining about the alb/mid zerg. Now excuse me for thinking that all three of those things would be good for prydwen.
But again, as you said, it won't happen, cos the hibs are quite contented to whine about zergs, and go do PvE raids.
This is just my opinion of course, and every hib that reads these boards will flame me for it,but if you try to make a good group regularly, it can be fun for you, and everyone else. Just look at the Warders in mid.. they recently started doing good guilds, got beaten a lot to start with, but now they know mostly what everyone will do, and they can beat the alb zerg somtimes.. but even when they lose, they don't complain about being zerged, and go and PvE for a while, do they.. they come back, and have another try, and another, until they win, then they're happy.
All it takes is patience, and heh, from the amount of PvE most hibs do, I'd say you've got quite a lot. But then, it's so easy to just die once and then whine, isn't it? :/
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I do see what you mean about RvR becoming a 2 horse race though, but then you blame albs?
If hibs perhaps came to emain regularly, instead of coming, dying to a zerg/balanced group, whining bout zergs/caster groups/price of fish, then logging or going on pve raids at 50(yes, i see the point of this, getting items to use on.. more pve raids!) then maybe a) albs and mids wouldnt camp the mgs so much, meaning more running fights in emain, b)hibs getting regular groups that know each other, and can rival the other realms guild groups and c)less hib whining about the alb/mid zerg. Now excuse me for thinking that all three of those things would be good for prydwen.
But again, as you said, it won't happen, cos the hibs are quite contented to whine about zergs, and go do PvE raids.
This is just my opinion of course, and every hib that reads these boards will flame me for it,but if you try to make a good group regularly, it can be fun for you, and everyone else. Just look at the Warders in mid.. they recently started doing good guilds, got beaten a lot to start with, but now they know mostly what everyone will do, and they can beat the alb zerg somtimes.. but even when they lose, they don't complain about being zerged, and go and PvE for a while, do they.. they come back, and have another try, and another, until they win, then they're happy.
All it takes is patience, and heh, from the amount of PvE most hibs do, I'd say you've got quite a lot. But then, it's so easy to just die once and then whine, isn't it? :/
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Here's a minor flame... you in turn then blame the Hibs for it becoming a 2-Horse race.
Hey, I don't care really. I'm just as happy sitting killing mobs. That's fun for me sometimes. But then, who cares what I think. I played Alb and Mid on Prydwen. Find Hybernia the nicest. Sorry we (they) don't live up to your expectations.
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Yes, I blame hibs, because albs and mids can't force hibs to come RvR.. its their own choice, no?
To blame an alb for hibs not RvRing is just stupid.. sure albs zerg a lot, and have SotL and LoE groups running around that know each other, but just because hibs can't be arsed to step outside of dagda for then once a fortnight, because they -might- get zerged, that means its the albs fault? for wanting to RvR?
But heh, as I think has been mentioned already in this thread.. look at hib/excal boards and on duskwave.. Llaw Arian rarely run in more then 1 fg at a time, and yet they have the highest LWRP in hibernia. Instead of whining about zergs, take their example, and make regular groups? they don't even need to be guild groups, just people you know how to play with.
Just don't whine about zergs when you can't even be arsed to try.
To blame an alb for hibs not RvRing is just stupid.. sure albs zerg a lot, and have SotL and LoE groups running around that know each other, but just because hibs can't be arsed to step outside of dagda for then once a fortnight, because they -might- get zerged, that means its the albs fault? for wanting to RvR?
But heh, as I think has been mentioned already in this thread.. look at hib/excal boards and on duskwave.. Llaw Arian rarely run in more then 1 fg at a time, and yet they have the highest LWRP in hibernia. Instead of whining about zergs, take their example, and make regular groups? they don't even need to be guild groups, just people you know how to play with.
Just don't whine about zergs when you can't even be arsed to try.
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Lochlyessa, I'm afraid you don't know Hibernia so well if you think it's as simple as dying a few times and whining. Many Hibs have endured many many months getting steamrollered and trying to improve matters. Thanks to the hard work of many (I don't count myself among them) things have improved over time and Hibs have their moments of success, but it's far from enough to keep many people engaged in the game (who wants to keep having to play the 'valiant underdog' role, it eventually wears thin).
I've been playing since last May and Hibs have continually tried to get regular RvR groups together full of people who know each others game play. We've had some limited success in this and there's been several groups who do play together quite often, both guild-based groups and cross-guild groups. But our numbers are too few and it only needs a few core players to stop playing regularly and things falter, as there's not enough replacements. We've seen too many promising players give up. And I refuse to criticise their lack of staying power, because I'm feeling like my time is now near too.
You say that Hibs should come to Emain regularly and then it'd all be fine. Sorry, but you can't expect Hibs to keep being RP cows ad infinitum in the interests of 'learning'. Sheesh, we've been doing that for six months, how much longer? So, if you refuse to accept you're part of the problem, don't be upset when Hibs get fed up, decide to just PvE hunt all the time, play alts or quite simply quit.
I wish just as much as you that Hibs did RvR more, because RvR -is- the game for me (I rarely do PvE loot hunts, I have no Legion or epic zone items). I wish just as much as you that the whole realm decided to spend the Xmas holidays doing extra RvR instead of powerlevelling a whole horde of alts. But I can't blame them for doing either because I know how sick and tired they are of the state of RvR.
Maybe some discussions on the pad at Sauvage aren't so silly after all. If 2FG of the 4FG sat there went to Odins instead of Emain, things might start to improve. Don't just keep trotting out to Emain and then whining because Hibs took their ball home with them because someone kept flattening it.
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I've been playing since last May and Hibs have continually tried to get regular RvR groups together full of people who know each others game play. We've had some limited success in this and there's been several groups who do play together quite often, both guild-based groups and cross-guild groups. But our numbers are too few and it only needs a few core players to stop playing regularly and things falter, as there's not enough replacements. We've seen too many promising players give up. And I refuse to criticise their lack of staying power, because I'm feeling like my time is now near too.
You say that Hibs should come to Emain regularly and then it'd all be fine. Sorry, but you can't expect Hibs to keep being RP cows ad infinitum in the interests of 'learning'. Sheesh, we've been doing that for six months, how much longer? So, if you refuse to accept you're part of the problem, don't be upset when Hibs get fed up, decide to just PvE hunt all the time, play alts or quite simply quit.
I wish just as much as you that Hibs did RvR more, because RvR -is- the game for me (I rarely do PvE loot hunts, I have no Legion or epic zone items). I wish just as much as you that the whole realm decided to spend the Xmas holidays doing extra RvR instead of powerlevelling a whole horde of alts. But I can't blame them for doing either because I know how sick and tired they are of the state of RvR.
Maybe some discussions on the pad at Sauvage aren't so silly after all. If 2FG of the 4FG sat there went to Odins instead of Emain, things might start to improve. Don't just keep trotting out to Emain and then whining because Hibs took their ball home with them because someone kept flattening it.
Cernos
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Heh.. I agree with what your saying mostly, but your point about being RP cows for 6 months? Hm..
Hate to being up old news, but Llaw Arian run around, in emain, with 1 fg. That's one full group. Of hibs. That have the highest LWRP in hibernia/excal. That means, if you haven't guessed (not trying to be sarcy, but my language just sounds that way most of the time) that mostly they kill stuff. And don't die. That's on a server with an albion population on 51?%, where it's not so rare to see 7 fg's of albs running around in emain. Excuse me if this sounds rude, but if they can do it, why can't hibs on prydwen?
It's not because you lack dedicated players, but it's just my opinion that most of you find it far too easy to moan about zergs, and just stay at home, instead of learning how to combat zergs.
Hate to being up old news, but Llaw Arian run around, in emain, with 1 fg. That's one full group. Of hibs. That have the highest LWRP in hibernia/excal. That means, if you haven't guessed (not trying to be sarcy, but my language just sounds that way most of the time
) that mostly they kill stuff. And don't die. That's on a server with an albion population on 51?%, where it's not so rare to see 7 fg's of albs running around in emain. Excuse me if this sounds rude, but if they can do it, why can't hibs on prydwen?It's not because you lack dedicated players, but it's just my opinion that most of you find it far too easy to moan about zergs, and just stay at home, instead of learning how to combat zergs.
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And heh.. considering the point of this, is trying to get hibs into emain, along with mids and albs.. what exactly would the 2 fg's going to odins do?
Trying to 'ban' albion players from coming to emain, really isn't going to work, it's like saying, "Well, hibs aren't having fun atm, so we're not gonna let you have fun. Nar!"
Cos most albion players are having fun at the mo, fighting Warders and random mids. But it'd be a lot more fun if hibs joined the party too. And as I've said, no one can force hibs to come to emain, but it takes less effort to get 2 balanced groups, then to do a legion raid. Yet hibs raid Legion more then they RvR.. confusing, no?
Anyway, gonna leave this soon, since it's 5:30 in the morning, but it just annoys me to see people complaining when they don't even try. Annoys me irl too, but at least then I can slap em a bit
Trying to 'ban' albion players from coming to emain, really isn't going to work, it's like saying, "Well, hibs aren't having fun atm, so we're not gonna let you have fun. Nar!"
Cos most albion players are having fun at the mo, fighting Warders and random mids. But it'd be a lot more fun if hibs joined the party too. And as I've said, no one can force hibs to come to emain, but it takes less effort to get 2 balanced groups, then to do a legion raid. Yet hibs raid Legion more then they RvR.. confusing, no?
Anyway, gonna leave this soon, since it's 5:30 in the morning, but it just annoys me to see people complaining when they don't even try. Annoys me irl too, but at least then I can slap em a bit
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What do you think many Hibs have been trying to do for so long? We've just got tired of trying to compete and/or change things onto a different footing / arena. I get peeved too by people telling me (and the people I play with) that we just whine or can't be arsed. That's such nonsense. Bit of a shame if that's what you (and others) really feel as attitudes like that make it likely you'll end up with less and less experienced Hib players to play against.
Yup, Hibs seem to raid Legion more than Emain. Frustrates me too as I hate Legion raids and it means that if I log on during one, I can usually rule out any chance of viable RvR. But I can see WHY it happens and it stems from being jaded with the state of RvR and tired of trying to change it.
You expect Hibs to run out to Emain all the time, to 'learn how to play together'. You seem to to forget that on average it takes about 15 minutes to run out to Emain and that's leaving aside all the time spent forming a group. For what? Often less than 1 minute of combat. Not exactly a good ratio of preparation time to combat learning time. By contrast, Albs are usually back at AMG before rezz sick wears off.
Why should the whole focus of this be to get more Hibs to Emain? Why not Albs and Mids make some effort for once and run out to Odins / Hadrians?
Also, unfair comparison with Hib/Excalibur. It's my understanding that much of the strength of Hib/Exc is down to the fact that they got a good start in life because the majority of those who playtested Hib in Beta deciding to play on Excalibur. That early momentum will have created a good bedrock for the realm.
Anyway, I'm off to bed now if my sore throat will allow
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Excal/hib were the "underdogs" in the beginning, and had a hard time to coop with mids and albs numbers.
The questions wasnt really why Hibs dont come to emain during the days, it was why they decided to camp odins amg at 3am with 2fgs.
When they couldve ruled emain, and accually meet enemys...
The questions wasnt really why Hibs dont come to emain during the days, it was why they decided to camp odins amg at 3am with 2fgs.
When they couldve ruled emain, and accually meet enemys...
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You guys sure it aint all in yer heads? Ive been ending up more hibs than albs recently.
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In emain ?
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Ottar
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> In emain ?
In Emain as well, after the zerg time. Mostly in Odin's tho. Not surprising that. They can get to Odins much quicker, they can achieve superior numbers in Odin's more easily. That they may have to search/wait for a fight there is obviously not
that much of a problem.
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In Emain as well, after the zerg time. Mostly in Odin's tho. Not surprising that. They can get to Odins much quicker, they can achieve superior numbers in Odin's more easily. That they may have to search/wait for a fight there is obviously not
that much of a problem.
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I wouldn't know, i think the Hibs need to do something, but they don't.
After trying a lot of things and doing 100+ solo emain runs (as a caster) i think i have the right to give up
Was in emain on Excalibur yesterday, I even met solo paladins and armsmen
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We can usually find a fight in Odin's. May take a little while, but some mids (and it's almost always mids) will show up, and then it's usually a fairly even fight, which is always more fun.
We CAN find an even fight in Emain - but we quite often run into the zerg steamroller and die (sorry Lochlyessa, there aren't any tactics that will let us beat 3-1 odds if they've already spotted us). Counting the travel time, it doesn't really take us any longer to get a fight in Odin's and it's likely to be a much more entertaining fight when we do get one. Then again, I'm a freak who'd rather have lost a close fight than '0wn3d' some poor soloer with 3FG. Why don't the SotL and LoE teams try a skiing holiday sometime and see what the RvR's like in Mid?
We CAN find an even fight in Emain - but we quite often run into the zerg steamroller and die (sorry Lochlyessa, there aren't any tactics that will let us beat 3-1 odds if they've already spotted us). Counting the travel time, it doesn't really take us any longer to get a fight in Odin's and it's likely to be a much more entertaining fight when we do get one. Then again, I'm a freak who'd rather have lost a close fight than '0wn3d' some poor soloer with 3FG. Why don't the SotL and LoE teams try a skiing holiday sometime and see what the RvR's like in Mid?